For over 7 years, DU has been against Republican tactics

[mudesi]

Even in 2004, during a very contentious primary, DU was against Republican tactics. I had no idea that it was because only the Republican was engaging in them.

I don't remember Kerry, Dean, Edwards, Kucinich, Clark, Graham, Moseley Braun, Gephardt, Sharpton, or even Lieberman engaging in Republican tactics against one another.

I do remember one person, though, throwing Kerry under the bus after he became the nominee, even though this person wasn't a candidate at the time.

Republican tactics are apparently acceptable now because this contemptible person has a "D" next to her name.

Shame on you all.

I want her out of the party, I want her out of the Senate, I want her out of politics. I don't ever want to see her face on my TV screen again. I am beyond loathing her now.

When she and McCain are echoing each other, that should tell you all you need to know.

:puke:

[AX10]

1. Obama took up the right wing tactic of swiftboating...

the Clintons (on the issue of race).

[MannyGoldstein]

5. OK, I'll Bite. How Did Obama Do That?

I must have missed something.

[merh]

17. They can't back it up

they just like to say it is so.

I've asked several clinton supporters to give me proof of their claims and I haven't had a one of them respond to my request.

I think they just stamp their feet, turn blue and pass out from lack of oxygen, that's all I can figure.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. I Ask, In Case They Have An Answer

All I can do.

[merh]

28. I understand.

That's why I continue to ask.

[Bensthename]

60. me too, they have nothing.

[FatDave]

91. It's -- wait for it -- another republican tactic!

Repeat it as much as you can. You don't have to back it up. Just repeat, repeat, repeat, and eventually by sheer repetition it becomes commonly believed.

[merh]

92. exactly.

n/t

[LaStrega]

141. your reply

Brings to mind these quotes. Hey, if we just keep saying it, over and over and over, then eventually you simply *must* believe it's true. Right? :shrug:

Unfortunately, it appears to be working on some.

[SwampG8r]

37. well

hes black so its his fault that they are racists

[MannyGoldstein]

45. Yes! He Gave Bill The Opening To Pull That Jesse Jackson Line!

Now I get it!

[TahitiNut]

89. Exactly. Shame on hiim for "playing the race card" by merely showing his skin.

:eyes:

[Mezzo]

61. Harry and Louise in Ohio? the Nevada memo? SOUTH CAROLINA????

Let's not forget that Obama admitted swiftboating them in SC, and admonished his staff for it (supposedly).

Here's the transcript of Timmeh callin bo out:

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Now, there are going to be significant issues that we debate, and some serious differences that we have.

OBAMA: And I’m sure those will be on display today.

What I am absolutely convinced of is that everybody here is committed to racial equality — has been historically. And what I also expect is that I’m going to be judged as a candidate in terms of how I’m going to be improving the lives of the people in Nevada and the people all across the country, that they are going to ultimately be making judgments on can I deliver on good jobs at good wages; can I make sure that our home foreclosure crisis is adequately dealt with; are we going to be serious about retirement security; and are we going to have a foreign policy that makes us safe.

If I’m communicating that message, then I expect to be judged on that basis. And if I’m not, then I expect to be criticized on that basis. That’s the kind of campaign that we want to run and that we have run up until this point.

RUSSERT: Do you believe this is a deliberate attempt to marginalize you as the black candidate?

OBAMA: No.

[SlicerDicer-]

132. uhh errr uhh he uhh errr look he umm did errr umm

do I sound like Crocker yet? LOL

[WillyT]

8. Nice Revisionist History

I believe it was John Kerry, and Edward Kennedy who went to the CLINTON campaign, and asked THEM to stop with the race card crap.

When they did not, they came out an endorsed Obama.

That's the way I remember it, that's the way it happened, and that's the way it will be written about in the history books.

What you bo with your beliefs is up to you. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to the facts.

[AX10]

11. See my sig line.

attacktimeline.org

[WillyT]

14. Could You Give Me A Date, I Only Have 20 Or 30 More Years To Live

:shrug:

[FatDave]

94. That site cracks me up every time!!

You've got to set the bar pretty god-damned low to consider those attacks.

Obama campaign memo questions Hillary's 'willingness to adhere to the truth.'

Oh, no he di'n't!

Obama Chief Strategist David Axelrod: 'The Republican Party would very much like to run against Hillary Clinton.'

The horror! I can't believe I support this guy!

Obama strategist says the Republican Party 'would have a field day' with Hillary as nominee.

Ooooh! Busted! Damn, how can he stand there and talk about hope when he says republicans don't like Hillary!

Obama campaign says Hillary is 'wallowing' in special interest influence.

OmigodOmigodOmigod! He said "wallowing"! He's calling her a PIG! I'll bet he's even calling her a SOW, and we all know how SEXIST that makes it!

Seriously, go look at the site. attacktimeline.org. It's pretty fucking funny. Not funny in a "change you can xerox at 3AM you unamerican elitist" way, but pretty damn funny.

[NeedleCast]

118. Quite the unbiased source

Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President

[StClone]

134. Newsmax!!????

Bye.

[beachmom]

30. John Kerry did no such thing. Please provide a link for that accusation.

And Ted Kennedy "reportedly" was upset about something the Clintons had said about his brother JFK, although I was doubtful of whether it was true.

Once again, Hillary hack supporters believe their own crappy spin, and ignore the facts:

http://toughdonkey.blogspot.com/2008/03/clintons-and-race-card.html

Race and the campaign

The Clintons - who believe their hearts are pure - have been playing the race card for months.

It started in Iowa. A Clinton staffer fired off a statewide e-mail saying that Obama was Muslim (false) and had attended a radical Islam school, a madrassa (false). The aide was fired, an apology was issued, but the damage had been done.

Kerrey on

Former senator Bob Kerrey, a Clinton ally, recycled the madrassa myth on CNN and said Obama's middle name (Hussein) gave him entree to a billion Muslims. Apology issued, damage done.

Selling drugs?

Bill Shaheen, Clinton's New Hampshire cochairman, said that Obama's admittance of teenage drug use would damage him in the general election. Granted. But Shaheen also predicted what the press would ask Obama: "Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?" Sell them? Would these questions be asked of a white candidate? Apology issued, damage done.

A black primary

After South Carolina, Bill Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson in a lame attempt to make it a black thing. Hillary Clinton recently said she was sorry if anyone was offended. Apology issued, damage done.

That first black president thing

President Clinton was called "the first black president" by Toni Morrison, the black Nobel laureate and Pulitzer Prize-winning author. But the context of her sobriquet wasn't affectionate.

"In the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black president. . . . Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas." She then condemned him for jettisoning blacks from his administration. "The message was clear, 'No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place.' "

Driving Miss Hillary?

Obama leads in pledged delegates and popular vote, and has won twice as many states as Clinton. He beats McCain, my friends, in nearly all national polls. But Clinton has suggested that Obama would be a good number two on her ticket, an offer Obama promptly refused.

A 1,000-word picture

The Drudge Report, the right-wing news and gossip website, was sent that photo of Obama in Somali garb. It exploded across the nation's media just days before the Ohio primary. Drudge said the picture came from aides to Clinton, which her campaign denied. No apology, damage done.

Double dealing

First, Governor Ed Rendell, leading Clinton's campaign in Pennsylvania, said there are white people in his state who won't vote for Obama because he's black. Then, Geraldine Ferraro, a Clinton fund-raiser, said if Obama were white, he wouldn't be leading. Apology issued, damage done. Again.

[WillyT]

40. Psst... Hey beachmom... I'm On Your Side...

:hide::wow::hide:

[beachmom]

51. Oh, sorry, I guess I was combining your post with the other person's.

Whoops.

:blush:

[WillyT]

53. No Sweat !!!

:hi:

[krkaufman]

106. People seem to forget that the Clinton campaign was spending their time BEFORE South Carolina ...

... discounting what was beginning to look to be an Obama victory in South Carolina, attempting to lower expectations based on the racial demographics of the state. The post-primary "Jesse Jackson" comment just makes for a more sensational soundbite, but the Clinton campaign had been vigorously promoting the theme throughout the time before the primary.

[Auntie Bush]

46. The fact is that Kennedy is on a power trip against the Clintons

and has been for years. They want to take control of the party away from the Clintons...and they wanted a chance to compare Obama to JFK. It had nothing to do with the Clintons being racist because they aren't. History will prove that. That's MHO as it is yours....but you keep drinking.

[mhoran]

126. I love the way people like to lead with "the fact is..."

...just before they deliver their beliefs or opinions.

[Major Hogwash]

136. Well, I just love the way people who love people who like to lead with "the fact is . . ."

Love me.

LoL

[mhoran]

142. Well, I just love the way...

...people like you love how people like me love how...oh, nevermind. :-)

[Major Hogwash]

144. Acutally, the truth of the matter is, no matter how you slice it and dice it, it all comes down to

the same thing, we ain't here for the GOP party.

:)

Welcome to DU, by the by.

[Major Hogwash]

145. Hahahahahahaha - now that is spin!

"They wanted a chance to compare Obama to JFK."

They waited just for the right time to do it evidently.

LoL

[karynnj]

47. That may be the way you remember it, but it is not the way it happened or the way that it will be

written in history. There is a problem with the time line. Kerry endorsed a few days after NH, but in the NYT and elsewhere it was said that Kerry had tole Obama that he was going to endorse him - but he didn't want to before Iowa - and left the Obama campaign to choose the time. Now, December predates when the Clintons started to play the race card. Listen to Kerry's endorsement - on johnkerry.com. He states his reasons - and as one who followed Kerry - the reasons sound true to many core Kerry values.

You are the one changing the facts - though your version would be to the credit of Kerry and Clinton. Going privately to the Clintons and telling them to stop what you term "crap" shows integrity.

[defendandprotect]

125. The photo of Obama in the Somali outfit ... was Clinton campaign work ---

A 1,000-word picture

The Drudge Report, the right-wing news and gossip website, was sent that photo of Obama in Somali garb. It exploded across the nation's media just days before the Ohio primary. Drudge said the picture came from aides to Clinton, which her campaign denied. No apology, damage done.

RANDI RHODES has also reported that she researched this and it absolutely traced back to the Clinton campaign ---

[papau]

15. Very True - it is Obama that wants GOP love - and therefore acts GOP as he speaks Dem

[beachmom]

21. More BS. Do you actually believe what you type? nt

[ampad]

82. I think so

Even if most of it is incoherent.

[merh]

22. Guess you have forgotten this

Karl Rove wants a Republican in the White House. Karl Rove tells GQ he likes Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. "She's actually tried to work with Republicans over the years. has not since he got there. He's been coolly detached and sitting on the side," he says in the new issue. So logically speaking, Karl Rove is telling Democrats to vote Obama. Or is he? Damn you, Karl Rove! You're still toying with our emotions! (Do that rap thing again, c'mon!)

Rove also calls Obama "arrogant," and says of his own tenure, "Look, I did a lot of things wrong, but I'm not apologetic about what this administration has done." Hey, neither are they! Also, there's this exchange:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/04/karl-rove-gq-barack-obama-hillary-clinton.php

[mhoran]

127. You can't be real...

You've got to be a plant.

[beachmom]

20. Another pathetic spin attempt by the usual hack Hillary supporters.

You know, Hillary has no moral compass and will do or say anything to win. But to see so called Democrats go along with her is something else. You just go along with whatever she says and does. So if tomorrow she said she believed we should stay in Iraq for 100 years, would you spin in favor for that, too? My guess is yes.

[stillcool]

33. Memories...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[karynnj]

48. Tell me who benefits if race is made an issue?

A black candidate praised until then for transcending race or his white opponent whose husband - a former President was bringing it up?

[Hepburn]

76. Bullshit....

...try again and this time don't post an RW talking point, OK?

[guruoo]

79. Yes, and then they cry foul when they're given a taste of their own kitchen sink

[Evergreen Emerald]

146. Obama has been using republican tactics since day one.

I am so shocked at the lost memory of Obama supporters on DU. They either have really short memories or feign ignorance because so they can continue to vilify Clinton and worship Obama.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/

Take a look. It is all backed up with sources.



I will never forgive Obama for calling Clinton a "Racist!" to win SC. It was worse than Willie Horton. That was the worst political thing ever done.

[quantass]

2. Agreed with your post

[ampad]

3. I am happy to recom

Amen to all you said.

[Cha]

4. hilary's hilary..

she must have special dispensation.

[AtomicKitten]

6. Thank you for posting this video.

I've been thinking a lot about it lately and how I used to defend the Clintons and their BS. Clearly the Clintons stabbed Kerry in the back in 2004, and they are doing it again now.

My sincere apology to all the Kerry people on these boards for my pig-headed allegiance to the Clintons that caused me to rationalize and defend that mess. I am truly sorry.

[beachmom]

26. I think all of us have defended the Clintons for which now we look on painfully.

I brushed aside way too many scandals and disappointments during the '90s.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know I appreciate your apology, although I think most of us have come together and been on the same page for some time now. Obama has that effect on people. Peace.

[blm]

93. It's because many of us never WANTED to believe it about Clintons, even me. But, our nation

and the world has been hurt far too much for any of us to pretend any longer. Clintons are NOT on our side - they WERE the Trojan Horse.

[rockymountaindem]

102. Wow. That means a lot coming from you. Thanks.

I'm glad we can be friends now :hi:

[fedupinBushcountry]

103. I appreciate your truthfulness AK

I myself see a lot of John Kerry in Barack Obama and is one of my main reasons for supporting him. They both want desperately for change not only for the party but for the country.

Just remember this in John Kerry's "Dissent" speech he said "Truth is the American bottom line. Truth above all is fundamental to who we are. It is no accident that among the first words of the first declaration of our national existence it is proclaimed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident".

We Kerry supporters stand by that as we know Kerry does, now many of us not only have John Kerry's back but we also have Obama's back too. He speaks truth to power, for truth is what is lacking so much in this country and government. To many truth is hard to face, you have shown that "truth" is the bottom line.

Peace

[thoughtcrime1984]

7. I agree! After "bitter, elitistgate", I am beyond sick of her gloating mug.

Yet I'll vote for her in the GE, because the Republicans are even worse, but it is getting harder to make that distinction by the day.

[BeatleBoot]

9. Obama says stupid shit about Pennsylvanians and all of a sudden

Hillary is using Republican tactics?

Get real.

Mr. Obama votes for a $ 25 billion subsidy for Big Oil and sides with Dick Cheney's Energy Plan and Hillary is a republican?

Mr. Obama and his supporters need a mirror to look into.

[SeattleGirl]

13. Can we borrow yours?

Hilary says McCain is ready, she is ready, and Obama has "a speech".

"Bitter-gate" would not have happened had Hilary not kept it under her hat, to use it as a "bomb" against Obama just before the PA primary. Saving it up sounds rather republican to me.

She and some of her surrogates ARE throwing the kitchen sink at Obama, while leaving McCain relatively unscathed.

Maybe it's you who needs to look in the mirror.

[BeatleBoot]

16. It's called a Primary

and I think the Obama supporters should be focusing on undoing what he did in PA.

Unless of course, they think that calling the electorate a bunch of dummies is a winning campaign strategy.

For the sake of the party, he needs to address this - because he hasn't. He tried to by "giving a speech".

But he hasn't addressed it.

This could go down as a Dukakis/M1 Tank moment for the candidate.

It's DefCon4 for Mr. Obama and the scary part is that I don't think anyone in his campaign gets it yet.

[beachmom]

29. "It's called a primary" So you're cool with what Bush did to McCain in 2000?

That was "just politics", you know. People who show no moral compass in a campaign will show no moral compass in the oval office. Hillary doesn't have sense of right and wrong needed to be POTUS. The speech she gave today could have been written by Rove. But I guess you admire Rove, since you think what Hillary is doing is "called a primary". No tactic is low enough to you.

[SeattleGirl]

31. Logic escapes you, I think.

Obama is being slammed and slimed for something he said when he was "giving a speech." So, he gave another few speeches about it.

I'm really tired of some Clinton supporters thinking that anyone who doesn't use words you approve of, or who deigns to criticize her, should crawl over nails, flog themselves, and generally beat the fucking crap out of themselves in order to atone.

Some folks are entirely too unforgiving.

[stillcool]

36. who did what in PA?

[Chisox08]

139. Obama never called anybody a dummy

Obama said that people are watching their jobs leave the country and go overseas, but they are not supposed to be angry or bitter. When people see their gas prices go up as well as the cost of living but their paychecks stays the same. I guess we have to be happy go lucky and take our jobs at Walmart, McDonald's and the Army because that will all be left if this country continues to go down the path its going.
Am I angry and bitter? Hell yeah I am! The only thing Hillary and McShame offer us is more NAFTA, CAFTA, and other trade agreements that will ship our jobs overseas. I live in Chicago and I know all to well the bitterness that Obama was describing. I've seen people give up because they have been out of work for more two years and the chances of them finding something gets smaller and smaller. I've seen people that had to give up their cars because 1 gallon of gas is close to half of their hourly pay. I've seen people who lost their houses because of predatory lenders. Don't tell me Americans are not bitter. Don't tell me people are not angry.
The only people who think that the American people is dumb is Hillary and McShame.

[polmaven]

137. Maybe "bittergate" would not have happened

If Senator Obama had not intimated that Pennsylvanians, or any Americans who are upset by the financial situation in this country somehow become racist, gun toting fundies because of it!

[texastoast]

18. Could you give me some cites for that, please?

I'm very interested in knowing who votes for Big Oil. Whatever candidate.

[stillcool]

35. somebody's talking stupid shit...

you don't read before you post, do you?

Transcript of Obama’s Remarks at San Francisco Fundraiser Sunday
April 11, 2008

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is so we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

[FatDave]

98. She was using republican tactics long before Obama said a thing about PA

[guyanakoolaid]

112. Hillaryous Republican spin

Back in reality, Obama is the only candidate who has spoken clearly about the 40+ meetings Cheney held with energy executives to decide our energy policy in 2001. Meetings whose minutes were never released, even under court order. Obama has talked about specific ways to make government more accountable and transparent, including C-Span televised meetings for important matters like energy policy.

But keep spinning, the irony you create in regards to the OP is too priceless

[QC]

10. We used to be against 24/7 godtalk, too, until this campaign. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

12. DU is crawling with RNC moles at this very moment so that is impossible.

And some of your threads have been noteworthy for the very unDemocratic tactics that you use, lynard-skynard. Maybe you should have chosen a less recognizable nickname.

Divide and conquer is the RNC's number one strategy. Anyone here who seeks to divide the Dems is playing by Republican rules. The only correct answer right now is the Unity Ticket.

[texastoast]

19. Yeppers, indeed. n/t

[Name removed]

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[FatDave]

99. Look who wants a unity ticket all of a sudden!

Desperate much? You think Hillary's actions are encouraging a unity ticket?

Or wait a minute. Your unity ticket isn't McCain/Clinton, is it?

[mtnsnake]

117. You nailed it. Skynard and his ilk post shit like this just to cover for themselves sneaking in

If by some miracle Obama wins the nod, 78% of the Obamawhiners will clear out because then they'll be against Obama, but it will look funny if they start showing their true colors and pulling for McCain, lol. The only reason 78% of the Obamawhiners are here is to bash Hillary out of the race and to spread the seeds of divisiveness among the real Democrats who are left here.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. OMG Hillary tag teamed Kerry right along side with BUSH!

Edit:

So, its 2006, Kerry makes joke critical of Shrub.

What happens? Hillary and McInsane join together (with Bush) to attack Kerry.

Shit shit stit.

Here we are, far worse for the wear, how many dead soldiers since?

Have we got her number YET????

[stillcool]

38. Here's the video...

one of Hillary's greatest hit pieces...Sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[FatDave]

100. "Have we got her number YET????"

Most of us, yes.

[Eurobabe]

27. K+R, good post.

Too bad the Hillary Supporters on here aren't bright enough to realize what damage she is doing. :eyes:

[dansolo]

32. Then you weren't paying attention

There were a bunch of Republican tactics on display during the 2004 primary, mostly directed at Dean. Obama's recent statement is very similar to Dean's "guns, God, and gays" comment, and the same sort of attacks that are occurring to Obama happened to Dean as well. Lieberman and Sharpton were especially nasty in their spurious attacks against Dean.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. I've seen every right-wing lie imaginable

used here against the Clintons.

I've seen people become re-obsessed with Bill's cock. I've seen people repeat known lies again and again and again. THAT'S using right-wing tactics.

[mudesi]

39. Here. On DU.

Where has Obama himself used right wing tactics?

[stillcool]

41. such as?

[MonkeyFunk]

57. such as

drug-running out of Mena, Arkansas. Vince Foster. Kathleen Willey. Juanita Broaddrick. Accusations that Clinton would have her opponents murdered. Assertions that Bill Clinton failed to do X because he was too busy getting knob-jobs in the oval office. Portrayals of Hillary as a witch, a bitch, an overambitious cylon, a castrating ball-busting harpy.

I've seen people repeatedly and knowingly lie about Bill Clinton going on Rush Limbaugh's show. About Mark Penn's salary. About the contents of the four-state pledge.

This forum is largely indistinguishable from FreeRepublic when it comes to the Clintons.

[Usrename]

68. Are you intentionally missing the point?

Obama has done none of the things you are complaining about. Clinton (aping McCain) has tried to frame Obama as elitist.

This is an acknowledged right-wing tactic. Project your own shortcomings onto the opponent. (Kerry = coward, Gore = liar.)

Now do you understand? This is about the candidates themselves; it's not about things said by members of DU.

[MonkeyFunk]

69. You're missing the point

For some reason, every criticism of Obama comes directly from Hillary herself, but not a single attack on Clinton comes from Obama. You guys seem to think Clinton spends all day plotting right-wing attacks on Obama, but all attacks on HER are organic and grow from the fertile ground of truth.

Portraying the Clintons as racists was a classic Karl Rove move, and one Obama was more than happy to engage in.

This is politics. Your guy ain't pure. Cope.

[Usrename]

105. Obama never called the Clintons racist. He said the opposite.

But to you there is no difference. Right?

If Hillary were to say that Obama is not elitist, to you that would be exactly the same as what she really said.

You cannot be serious.

[MonkeyFunk]

107. LOL

No, his campaign did. For weeks before he "corrected" the problem. You guys really DO believe your own press, don't you?

[Usrename]

110. Well then, when is Clinton going to correct her own remarks?

Her campaign didn't do this, she did.

You really do get it, don't you? You just don't want to admit it, right?

[Bluenorthwest]

80. Each of them has done things I don't like

And I will point out Obama's huge Rovian ploy, one that looks odd next to his comments about Pennsylvaniains clinging to religion. That would be Obama's own 'Faith and Family' tour in the South, with the full battery of anti-gay preachers driving a religious wedge with BLBT people as bait. A highlight was actual open speech targeting gays, delivered by the very man who sang with teary eyes to George W Bush at Republican Convention 2004.
He defened those events, defened the use of such Evangelists and their divisive speech. To me, the use of religion and minority baiting to lure votes from bigots is as Right Wing as it gets. If Obama also thinks of those voters as 'clinging to religion' he sure did not say that then, not at all. If that is his true view, then the 'Faith and Family' tour was one calculated and cynical tactic.
I happen to agree with his opinion stated in SF, but I also see that as applicable to the voters in South Carolina. For months Obama has used religion as a center piece of his campaign. If religious life in SC is to be praised, why is it portrayed as a symptom in Penn? Both states are poor. SC more so by the numbers. What exactly is the difference? That is one damn fair question. Obama is the one who made religion part of this campaign, like no other Democrat before him. That is just a fact. How can you tell when religion is 'Faith and Family' and when it is a symptom of illness? By what measure?

An honest look at the full campaigns don't really allow for seeing either candidate as free of very nasty tactics. Obama did gay baiting with religion to get poor votes, and now says the bigotry and clinging to religion comes from bitterness? Do you see the slightest tad of trouble with the one set of events and statements juxtaposted to what he said, correctly, in SF?
Had he been speaking about religion like this all along, he'd have had me all along. But when religious bigots spoke against me in Obama's name, he did not apologize and defened the use of Evangelists as part of his campaign. Those things are not at all consistant. I find that troubling.
Again, in SF he was right on. But in SC he was saying something else. And he used a loyal Democratic voter base as bait to say that something else. To pretend this did not happen, and not discuss the facts, reduces any opinions to hot air from divisive partisans, as opposed to fair discussion by rival Democrats.
As an undecided voter with a Primary coming, I get nothing out of such biased opinions, only from fully informed and boldly honest opinions.

[Usrename]

111. I honestly do not see the contradictions.

Obama himself claims to be a religious person. I don't see why so many people want to view his observations in such a derogatory light.

I also don't understand all the furvor over the McClurkin issue. No one has been able to explain to me what that's all about. Only that he is hated with a vengence. I get that part. You are right to say that this episode was devisive, but I still don't completely understand why. I don't follow the guy, I don't know what his crime is, I don't listen to his music, I had never heard of him before this. I can't really offer anything useful on that topic. I still just don't understand what the controversy is all about.

[Bluenorthwest]

135. Well

All I can say is you prove my point exactly. You are uninformed and base your opinion on one sided knowlege. Willfully ignoring facts that argue against your case does not make your case stronger. It makes your conclusions weaker. We all have the internet. Learn what you like. Or don't. But the thing that annoys me is the high dudgeon on one side claiming the other is so very nasty, when to many level headed Democrats, they both are campaigning dirty.
Even if you don't know the details of the McClurkin stuff, you have to admit is a tad off kilter for a man to both produce religious based events and an entire tour named 'Faith and Family' to gain votes from religious people in one poor state, and then call clinging to religion a symptom of bittness about poverty in another state. Be honest, that is just odd. Does he feel the Penn people are false in faith while the SC people are true? Or does he think the SC people also bitter, but he was willing to play on that there in ways he can not in Penn?
Just odd that a person who held Gospel concerts where Fundamentalists preached against gay people would turn around a question the origin of anyone' faith, and particularly odd in that in both cases, intolerance resulting from religion is the centeral issue. In SC, Obama used that intolerance and hired people who spoke it out loud and he never apologized for that, nor did he call it a mistake. How can you both oppose religious bigotry and also use religious bigotry as a campaign tactic? The dichotomy seems fairly obvious to me.
I like what he said recently very much. The crap about how great and moral religious bigots are when they hate me, and the central role he gave to Evangelists in his early campaign I don't like at all. The two positions he is taking are mutually exclusive. Unless you are blind. Or willfully uninformed of all negative information on one side and all positives on the other.

[Usrename]

138. That doesn't clear anything up for me, or inform me of anything.

I still don't see anything that is inconsistent.

I don't know who these moral and religious bigots are that hate you.

I have not seen any of this intolerance that you are talking about. I've only seen tolerance and the desire for tolerance expressed.

[guruoo]

84. Obama needs to denounce these tactics if he doesn't want to be associated with them

[stillcool]

71. I hate lies. I also hate...

using rumor and innuendo to make a case for anyone or anything. I don't go to Free Republic, but it is obvious that there are many "Democrats" who participate gleefully in the Republican style of personal destruction politics. People will post anything at all to promote a candidate. They don't care that what they are saying might be harmful.

Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board

On September 1, the campaigns of Clinton and Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) issued press releases stating that they had signed pledges affirming the DNC’s decision to approve certain representative states and sanction others for moving their nominating contests earlier. But now that the race is close, Clinton — whose top advisor Harold Ickes voted as a member of the DNC to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates — is pushing for the delegates to be seated.

Her argument is that not doing so disenfranchises the 1.7 million Florida Democrats who voted and that her pledge promised only that she wouldn’t campaign in the states, not that she wouldn’t try to seat the delegates. However, the results of the contests in Florida and Michigan are not necessarily representative of the voters’ preferences in those states. Given that most of the candidates removed their names from the Michigan ballot, and that many voters stayed home from the vote in Florida with the understanding that their contest would not affect the final delegate count, the delegate totals that the candidates accumulated in these states may not accurately reflect the will of the voters. Had there been no restrictions in Michigan and Florida, the turnout, and thus the results, may have been different.

The Four State Pledge all candidates signed on Aug. 28 stated, “Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar... Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.” When the candidates pledged to campaign only in approved states, they were also agreeing to the terms listed above, which explicitly mentioned stripping noncompliant states of their entire delegation.

As it has become clear that the delegate race will be very close, politicians in the Democratic party are discussing the implications of the DNC pledge, and whether it would be wise to seat the delegates after all, rather than risk offending these important states that could be influential in the November election.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) recently said that the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated if they would decide the nomination. Other compromise proposals include holding new nominating contests in these states, but such contests would be expensive and cumbersome. The irony is that had Florida and Michigan not moved up their primaries, they would have voted in February and March, when they would have been even more important than in earlier months in determining the Democratic nominee — and would not have created an enormous controversy that has the potential to divide the party.
http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/2/25/editorialFollowDncRulesOnSeatingDelegates

DISBURSEMENTS BY PAYEE


HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT
PO Box 101436
Arlington, Virginia 22210
FEC Committee ID #: C00431569
This report contains activity for a Primary Election
Report type: March Monthly

Filed 03/20/2008
Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. LLC 3,147,990.00

[MonkeyFunk]

88. Are you asserting

that payments to Penn Schoen & Berland constitute salary payments to Mark Penn?

[stillcool]

97. What else does Mark Penn's firm do....

for the Clinton Campaign that warrants 3 million dollars in the month of March?

[MonkeyFunk]

108. Don't change the subject

Are you asserting that payment is Mark Penn's salary from the campaign?

[stillcool]

113. I'm asserting that Mark Penn's firm...

was paid 3 Million dollars in March by the Clinton Campaign. Is that salary? It is payment for work done for the Clinton Campaign. Is that salary?

[blm]

95. What did the Clintons do in the 90s? Protect BushInc JUST LIKE the GOPs do. They attack OTHER Dems

JUST LIKE the GOPs do.

Clintons backstabbed Kerry and a reputable historian NOTICED in April2004:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill used his 3 week book tour to protect and defend Bush from the attacks of the left in summer 2004 - just like GOP spokespeople did:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville sabotaged Ohio Dem voters just like GOPs did::
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

But then, Clintons have been protecting BushInc for quite a long time and more of us are just beginning to notice:
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Zavulon]

42. "I want her out of the party, I want her out of the Senate, I want her out of politics."

You have no idea how much I echo this sentiment. She makes me want to throw up every time I see or hear her.

[KoKo]

122. What yousay is really Bizarre... ...I'm sure you don't want to "share"

why you say this, though. :eyes:

[Zavulon]

147. I've done so before, but here are a few reasons:

Her IWR vote, her refusal to admit her mistake, her absolute inability to tell the truth (where Chelsea was on 9/11, her being named after Sir Edmund Hillary, her ducking sniper fire in Bosnia, and dozens more), her claims of "experience," her awful and stupid answer on the drivers' licenses for illegals issue, and so on.

Let's see, she supported the war and lies through her teeth every time she opens her mouth. I don't excuse Republicans for either of those, and I won't excuse her. I don't believe a goddamned word she says and wish she'd just fuck off and go away. Voting for Obama instead of her made me smile for a month, and I hope she gets shelled in Pennsylvania. I can't wait to see the look on her face when Obama gets the nomination instead of her.

I'm not the only one on DU that feels that way, either. Now, tell me what was so "Bizarre" about what I wrote that it needed a capital letter to punctuate it, please.

[eridani]

43. There was that ad showing Dean morphing into bin Laden n/t

[flowomo]

44. Kerry screwed up; he apologized; most Dems turned on him...

it is ridiculous to suggest that Clinton was somehow alone and allied with Bush on this. Kerry's "joke" was supposed to be a slam on Bush, but he left out two key words ("us" and "Bush") and came off sounding like he was calling U.S. troops in Iraq stupid and uneducated. It was just before the 2006 mid-terms and Dems were in many close House and Senate races and rightly worried over the political fallout.

[karynnj]

50. Not true - by the time HRC did this - it was clear that this was not having

a negative affect on the polls of any Democrats. In fact the results in the election 9 days later were far better than any pundits predicted the day before Kerry told the joke.

He also only left out "us" - Bush was not suppose to be there. Second, only someone who had an agenda or who had failed Logic would take even the actual words to mean the soldiers were stupid or uneducated. (A implies B, does not mean B implies A)

The planned text was given out BEFORE the speech - Kerry clearly lost his place reading a notecard. There is no one else who would not have been allowed a pass - when the meaning was clear and it was obvious what happened. How many stupid troop related comments has John McCain made that were considered not an issue given his record of supporting the troops. Clear Channel gave Rush Limbaugh a pass for his "phony soldier" comment because "he supports (!) the troops.

There is no Democrat with a stronger record - nearly 4 decades long of supporting the troops than Kerry. Not to mention that in terms of defending Kerry on supporting the troops - the Clintons OWED Kerry big time. Kerry, a decorated vet, defended Clinton in the wake of his ever changing why he wasn't drafted story - that culminated in a snarky letter to a ROTC office who had saved him from the draft.

HRC, saying it was "inappropriate" accepted the RW meaning - it is not "inappropriate" to blow a line by skipping a two letter word reading a note card. It is far more "human" than making up a fantasy of being under sniper fire. What's worse making up a story that is easily disproven or skipping one word in text?

[Inuca]

55. Someone who failed logic

and who failed common sense and common decency as well.

[blm]

96. Clintons and their loyalists hyped up the Dem backlash against Kerry instead of DEFENDING the truth

they KNEW damn well.

Your support of their tactic here is sickening. You should know better that truth is a serious business.

That 'comment' generated a lot of backlash against Bush and the RW media - and many editorials came out SLAMMING Bush for pretending to be outraged. And many of those columns encouraged voting Dem - even Tom Friedman had a prominent write up on this and sided with Kerry over Bush's smear 100%.

[Scurrilous]

49. K & R

:thumbsup:

[LiberalZrule]

52. They are not

echoing each other they are stating that something is offensive and it is. Five mayors of PA agreed it is offensive. Are they echoing Hillary and mccain? No more likely they are echoing their conscience.

[GarbagemanLB]

54. 5 Hillary supporters who are mayors, yes.

[ecdab]

56. Here we go again

....

So now, Barack Obama tells the truth about conditions as we know them--that the countryside and the small towns are dying in many places in our country, and that the corporatocracy doesn't care enough to do a thing about it. He points out that immigrant-baiting, gay-baiting, gun-baiting, and religious pandering have helped to destroy those towns and that countryside, that those being destroyed have been cynically enlisted by their very own destroyers to provide the votes that help accomplish the destruction. And this is what Senator Hillary Clinton says about it: "Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."

From Senator Clinton's remarks, I infer that to actually see what has gone on in the US in the last 20 years is unAmerican. It doesn't matter who you are, where you were born, what you pay in taxes, what else you might have contributed to the culture, how you vote, who you support. If you don't support fundamentalist religion, job outsourcing, and free access to guns, then you are not even American.

....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/here-we-go-again_1_b_96374.html

In this case, Clinton has adopted the most corrupt of right wing wing talking points - and she is giving them voice as a candidate for the Democrats. Talk about damaging the party.

[Mezzo]

58. Harry and Louise didn't offend you though, right? It's only ok if your guy does it

:rofl:

[Blarch]

59. And hillary people

still don't know why we are pissed.

Total hypocrites.

[Bensthename]

62. McCain/Clinton '08 Bringing War, Sex, and Lies to your White House.

[Blarch]

63. Don't forget this...

Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, seems to agree with that assessment, having effectively vowed to run her operation much as Rove did his two successful national campaigns. "She expresses admiration for the way George W. Bush's campaign team controlled its message, and, given her druthers, would run this race no differently," http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401722.html

If it walks like a duck...

[AzDar]

64. Ayup.

[Tom Rinaldo]

65. DU has been a playground for Republican tactics for the last year

And you've been on the merry go round having a grand old time. Free Republic has been more even handed toward Hillary Clinton (and they despise her over there) for the most part than DU's loudest posters have been here.

[NashVegas]

66. Alas, Republican Arguments Against Hillary Clinton Have Been Used Since January

Too bad it's only starting to bother you now.

[mudesi]

72. Give me an example of one used by OBAMA HIMSELF

Not by some supporter of his or by someone on the Internet posting a message on DU.

[Tom Rinaldo]

73. "Hillary Clinton is too divisve to lead America" "Hillary Clinton will say or do anything for power"

Those were Right Wing attacks until the Obama camp endorsed them.

[mudesi]

74. Did Obama actually say those things?

I honestly don't remember or didn't hear about it.

But even if he did, if that's the best you can do...:eyes:...Those quotes don't compare to Clinton's attacks over the last several weeks.

[Tom Rinaldo]

77. Yes

In the case of Clinton doing or saying anything for power he briefly ran a TV ad that said she would do or say anything to get elected as the punch line, and per the rules he ended it in his own voice saying he approved of that ad. Regarding the divisive part, close enough in my opinion. In one debate Obama said she was unelectable because she was seen as such a divisive and polorizing figure (while admitting that it was not totally her fault that she had that image). And on numerous occaisions Obama claimed that Americans are fed up with "the politics of division" of the past while historically naming both the Clinton and Bush Administrations as representitive of what America wants to turn the page on.

The second charge can be looked at as harsh but not extremely toxic to hurting Clinton's chances in the Fall should she become our nominee. The former however is every bit as damning as anything Clinton has said about Obama in terms of reenforcing negative stereotypes that could help McCain defeat our nominee if, in that case, our nominee turns out to be Clinton.

[NashVegas]

87. That's Just a Crock

Besides the point Obama has indeed pushed the polarizing meme, to try to limit this to words coming out of the mouth of Obama, himself or official spokespeople is a tactic worthy of ridicule, as the subject line of your post, "DU Has Been Against Republican Tactics" has, until this cycle always applied to its own, as well.

[formercia]

67. Assholes are fair game

she set the bar.

[K Gardner]

70. I could not agree more. K&R

[Triana]

75. BINGO! 'S'wot I said, too. (n/t)

[Willo]

78. What exactly are the rules to be a representative of the democratic party?

There doesn't seem to be any. Not even by the honor system.

[kentuck]

81. And for seven years, DU has been the most bitter place on earth...

And now some hypocrites want to pretend that we were not bitter. We were only angry and frustrated.

[mtnsnake]

83. You guys are guilty of Repuke tactics a thousand times more than ANYONE on the planet

so enough with the faux outrage. You Obamawhiners don't have to look any further than in the mirror to see where 99% of the blame lies when it comes to parroting all the Right Wing lies in the universe.

[Faygo Kid]

86. Insane.

But fully expected.

[babylonsister]

104. Positively sweeping with that broad brush there, and not one iota

of anything resembling anything close to the truth. Good job! :thumbsup:

[mtnsnake]

115. This is a case where a broad brush statement like mine holds true. Otherwise I wouldn't of said it

The t in mtnsnake stands for truth. You should know that by now, sis!

[babylonsister]

119. Oh yes, I know that.

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

120. I thought so

Just wanted to make sure so I could put my mind to ease :smoke:

[chascarrillo]

114. It's your candidate's campaign who praised FOX News, Mellon Scaife, Limbaugh, so shut up.

[mtnsnake]

116. It's my candidate who kicked their asses. I guess you forgot how she made Limbaugh cry

when he made snarky remarks about Chelsea. It wasn't the first time that the Goddess of Peace kicked the shit out of the Right Wing either. There's a reason those assholes fear her. She doesn't hesitate to fight back and she pulverizes them when it happens.

[ekwhite]

130. What is this "Goddess of Peace" crap

Are you being ironic? That makes you sound like a moonie.

[roseBudd]

85. Hillary is no better than Karl Rove or Dick Cheney, she will say anything to get what she wants

[file83]

101. That's because she's on the same payroll.

[Upton]

90. I don't care if Hillary has a D after her name

in my eyes she will never again be a Democrat. Keeping that in my mind, I will treat her accordingly if and when I see her name on a ballot.

[BlooInBloo]

109. DUers just say that to make themselves feel good about themselves, a la Brave New World.

EDIT: Clarified subject.

[depakid]

121. For someone who hasn't even been registered one year

that's a mighty presumptuous thing to say....

And a rather foolish and inaccurate one. Republican tactics work- which is why they've won election after election and continue to win policy battles even though there's a Democratic majority in Congress.

If you'd actually read the site (or even if you actually thought about the matter) you'd see that what people want is Democrats with a spine- candidates and representative who WILL stand up and fight, and do what it takes to win.

Instead of thinking though, what whats tends to show up in these tantrum posts is more akin to adolescent whining -about not getting one's way and about one's candidate having to actually slug it out and take some heat.

Pretty sad really.

[wisteria]

123. Bravo! Excellent post. She is no better than a Republican. She needs to be thrown out of the party.

She is no Democrat.

[Donkeykick]

124. lynyrd_skynyrd:

John Kerry was just like Obama or Clinton; he didn't think before he opened his mouth. Kerry had to apologize, Clinton had to do it too; and yes, Obama is now continuing the process with his latest miscue.

And it's not Republican tactics; this sort of stuff has been going on in the world of politics forever.

What you say, in a campaign, can make or break you.

[Festivito]

128. Your post seems like a Republican tactic itself.

It attempts to broadbrush history.

Sure, we haven't liked CON tactics -- when used by CONs, when used against us especially. I would not mind being able to use some of their tactics. Could have saved a lot of lives.

Lieberman is out there now with McCain, helping McCain run, helping the Republicans to look bipartisan when we know they are not.

You're running away. Run to something, not away from something.

Shame on you for acting foolishly.

[Peanut Butter]

129. Tells Me all I need to know !

"When she and McCain are echoing each other, that should tell you all you need to know"

[Skittles]

131. it tells me it is politics as usual

BECAUSE IT IS A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN - GAWD, GET OVER YOURSELVES

[greguganus]

133. She is McLame in a cheap pantsuit. n/t

[gatorboy]

140. You're still here?

Oy. :eyes:

[OwnedByFerrets]

143. K and R