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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:13 AM
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Bitter in Pennsylvania
Seems like Obama is trying to apply some psycholigical motives to a lot of Americans that don't ring true. I have my own views on religion, immigration, and gun control that are probably in line with Sen. Obama's views, but my views don't come from bitterness, and I take issue with his analysis of the small town America I come from.

So, frankly, Oprah and Dr. Phil can psychoanalize us Bub. We NEED someone who KNOWS how to DO the JOB. Obama has shown us nothing but platitudes. His experience is lacking, and his character is vague. HE'S VAGUE.

We don't need a Psychologist in Chief. We don't need him to proclaim our motives for things we "cling" to or believe in. It's arrogant as hell coming from the man who wants to be our president.

I think when people actually listen to Sen. Clinton, rather than all these characterizations of her, they hear her not only talking to us like adults, but giving detailed ideas and plans. She's not just telling us what's wrong and what's right with American, but what needs to be done and how she's going to do it. THAT's talking to us like adults who understand we're interviewing someone for a job, not a hero or a philosopher.

But we in the Democratic party disagree on this at this point, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think just the amount of political dialog these Democrats have generated is a really good thing for the people of this country. This has been a tough, hard-hitting election that has challenged people's ideas and perceptions and brought attention to issues that need our attention. I strongly believe that, all in all, it's been a good thing. One side in this democratic primary is going to be deeply disappointed. The challenge is going to be whether they sulk off and turn their back on the issues, cause that's got to be what this is about - the issues and who can address them best, not the personalities.


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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:23 AM
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1. A spoonful of sugar helps the poison go down. Clintons are a tag team. Hill makes policy that Bill
sells for cash. That's how it is.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:28 AM
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2. In a nation where SOME have turned to gun crime to vet their anger he wasn't lying. That has to stop
and it stops by explaining that anger.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:28 AM
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3. In a nation where SOME have turned to gun crime to vet their anger he wasn't lying. That has to stop
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 05:31 AM by cooolandrew
and it stops by explaining that anger. Spin this however you will Obama only grows with more truth to power and truth in general. The america people are ready for an end to make believe and the truth of what needs to be done to fix stuff.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:33 AM
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4. And yet
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:36 AM
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5. Frankly, I find the philosophical assessment really refreshing...
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 05:37 AM by fjc
particularly in view of the total eclipse of anything like a broad, thoughtful philosophical perspective in our political culture since perhaps JFK. As to Obama's platitudes, your characterization is unfair. Just consider the response there has been to them and ask yourself why. I have and the answer that comes back to me is that there is a deep hunger for some alliance with the best and highest of our values and character as a country, generated, again, I believe, by the near total eclipse of any commitment to any principles at all since perhaps, Jimmy Carter. That, it seems to me, combined with Obama's pre-eminent talent for tapping into and articulating that desire, is what's driving his campaign. I think that the only force equal to such hope is fear, and that is the force that his opposition, including and especially Hillary, are trying to exploit.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:37 AM
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6. Here is another good analysis:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/sen_obama_meet_dr_freud.html

Sen. Obama, Meet Dr. Freud.

Barack Obama's remarks to a bunch of rich Marin Country liberals, disparaging the "bitter" gun-owning, God-loving small town Pennsylvanians already have received an enormous amount of attention, and it is only one weekend day later.

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations".


Being an "typical white person" I'm not sure what to make of this, But it appears that an Ivy League elitist is calling middle America:

1. Bitter
2. Potentially violent (they cling to guns)
3. Racist (antipathy to people who aren't like them)(anti-immigrant)
4. Too religious (cling to religion)
5. Provincial (anti-trade)
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:50 AM
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7. Thank you, Bill Kristol.
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