Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer

[ckramer]

Source: nt

VALPARAISO, Ind. - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton managed to co-opt Mr. Obama’s message of hope and optimism, beginning a speech in Valparaiso, Ind., by talking about how positive and “fundamentally optimistic” Americans are.

“We don’t get bogged down and looking back – we’re always looking forward,” she said, as heavy applause nearly drowned out her words. “Whatever obstacle we see, we get over it. Whatever challenge we have, we meet it. We’re the problem-solvers, we’re the innovators, we’re the people who make the better future.”

For the third time since Mr. Obama’s remarks were made public Friday night, Mrs. Clinton criticized him at length, saying his comments seemed “kind of elitist and out of touch.”

“I disagree with Senator Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration,” she said.

She described herself as a pro-gun churchgoer, recalling that her father taught her how to shoot a gun when she was a young girl and said that her faith “is the faith of my parents and my grandparents.”

Read more: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/clinton-portrays-herself-as-a-pro-gun-churchgoer/

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Wow!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. It prepared her for the sniper fire.

[saigon68]

16. She needs to get rid of Chuck Scummer

The Prelate of civilian disarmament

[IndianaGreen]

2. What a lying B-word she is!

Her faith is NOT "the faith of her parents and grandparents," instead it is the faith of rightwing extremists such as Rev. Doug Coe.

[madrchsod]

9. my methodist ministers

talked a lot about redemption and salvation but i can`t remember anything about guns...

funny no one want`s to mention the nazi coe and this followers...he`s not a man of god

[ShockediSay]

20. Does this mean she checks her guns

at the door of the church Sun Morning?

[Joe Bacon]

28. It's a good thing she didn't open fire on Bill over Monica!

:evilgrin:

[Liberal Veteran]

3. And then her pants spontaneously combusted.

[davidinalameda]

18. that would have been Bill's pants

friction don't ya know

[jody]

4. That would be good to have a Dem presidential candidate that supports the party platform. n/t

[heliarc]

23. It's a volunteer Military...

Want to bear an arm...? join the Army. Bring on the flames. I'm a little sick of the pat argument that somehow this is the most important "over my dead body" American value of them all. So flame me if you like, but every American has the right to defend their country by joining a "well regulated militia", namely the US Armed Forces, or even the Police Departments. So go do it all of you gun snobs.

And by the way, I learned how to shoot just like Hillary, and I feel it is very important, just like I think an organization like the NRA is important to license and regulate recreational use.

But really! is there any doubt that we have a right to bear arms in this country? Why do we have to reaffirm that every two seconds. Why are gun owners so f-ing insecure. They purchased something that is lethal... if they can't stomach laws that are meant to regulate that then they need to lump it or join the military to satisfy whatever bloodlust they can't shoot out at the range.

[jody]

29. One reason might be that SCOTUS has never said whether RKBA is an individual right and government is

obligated under the Second Amendment to protect that right.

SCOTUS heard D.C. v. Heller on 18 March 2008 and the basic question is:

Whether the following provisions, D.C. Code §§ 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02, violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes?

While no one expects SCOTUS to write a definitive decision most do expect the court to rule that the 2nd Amendment does protect an individual right and not a collective right.

[tanyev]

5. And then she broke into a rousing chorus of "Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better".

[flvegan]

6. I love it when DLC shills get press.

Makes them look...well, stupid.

Again.

[Bush_MUST_Go]

7. She wasn't kidding when she said she'd prefer McCain over a Dem. Bitch

[madrchsod]

8. really hillary...penn is still polling for you?

the country is going down the drain and you think we are happy?



oh by the way "pro-gun churchgoer"--

a girl was wounded today in chicago because there was a shooting outside her ->second story<- living room. the most gun related deaths so far this school year in chicago...

but obama is an elist and out of touch....

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. 'Annie Get Your Gun' cartoons please (shooting poor defenseless animals

[derby378]

11. Hillary Clinton was for guns - BEFORE she voted against them

Brilliant. Makes perfect sense to me.

I guess gun control really will be a major campaign issue, after all...

[GOPNotForMe]

12. Barf. nt

[LeftyMom]

13. LeftyMom Portrays Herself as a Vestal Virgin

Hey, that might be more believable. :rofl:

[villager]

14. sorry, but I find Americans fundamentally deranged

with few exceptions.

[burf]

15. Who is her minister

and what does he/she think about this? As far as guns, tell us a little about your collection.

[RamboLiberal]

17. Bullshit from Clinton

Violent crime was the No. 1 issue in the mayor's race last year. There were 392 homicides and 1,734 shootings in Philadelphia in 2007. Clinton's plan has specific funding targets. She promises:

* To update the COPS program, established in President Bill Clinton's administration, by providing funding for 100,000 community cops. The program also would provide technology grants and $250 million per year for community prosecutors.

* To set up a $1 billion grant program to support local efforts to reduce the number of repeat offenders. Grants could help reform a probation system or set up a job-training service for ex-offenders.

* To renew the ban on assault weapons and repeal the Tiahrt amendment, which restricts federal authorities from sharing gun-trace information with local law enforcement.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080411_Clinton_details_crime-fighting_plan.html

This is from Friday. The Republicans are going to beat her over the head with this. Most gun owners hated this law with a passion. Along with the stupid 10 round "Clinton Magazines".

Stepping up the Clinton Administration's campaign against gun violence, Hillary Rodham Clinton used an emotional White House ceremony today to call on Americans to press Congress to ''buck the gun lobby'' and pass several gun control measures.

Today's event, pegged to Mother's Day, which is Sunday, was held in the formal East Room of the White House and featured three parents of children killed or wounded by gunfire. They included Tom Mauser, whose son Daniel was killed last month in the shooting rampage in Littleton, Colo. His story of waiting for word about his son's fate brought Mrs. Clinton nearly to tears as she took the podium and gravely addressed an audience of other parents who had lost their children in shootings.

The Senate is to begin debate next week on a number of gun control measures, some of which mirror proposals offered recently by President Clinton. ''The senators need to hear from all of us,'' Mrs. Clinton said. She urged voters ''to give them the encouragement to do what they know is right and to remind them that there are many, many millions of American voters and citizens who will stand behind political leaders who are brave enough to buck the gun lobby, wherever that may take us, so that they will vote for the measures that we know will save lives.''

Mrs. Clinton was as careful as her husband has been to say that there are many causes of violence and that parents need to take responsibility for their children's behavior. But Mrs. Clinton, who is considering running for the Senate from New York, where gun control is popular, has also been more forceful than the President in directly taking on the powerful gun lobby in the aftermath of the Littleton killings.

In contrast with her remarks today, for example, the President, speaking at a fund-raiser in Houston Friday night, said that while he was pressing for more gun control laws, ''I hope we can avoid yet another big fight in Washington between the N.R.A. and others.'' He has said in the past that the association's campaign against certain lawmakers who supported his gun control measures had cost Democrats control of the House in 1994.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7D9173FF93AA35756C0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

[judasdisney]

19. She's a uniter.

"...kind of elitist"

She's a uniter.

[CANDO]

21. I am so fucking tired of religion being used as a campaign tactic

It so cheapens your so-called faith to do so. If it means so god damned much to anyone, why shame it by hanging it out there like you're some sort of elixir salesman?

[KillCapitalism]

22. In this race

it seems like we have two republicans running against one democrat here.

[heliarc]

24. Already campaigning for president...

and she hasn't even won the nomination yet. She's in denial for sure.

[Fovea]

25. And for the next debate she demands

a chaw spittin contest.

[xioaping]

26. This is a joke, right. She does not seriously believe...

anyone is buying that spin. Shameless is given a new definition. Desperate also comes to mind. Or perhaps delusional.

[aikoaiko]

27. I'd love to see her disavow more gun control -- that would shake things up

[aaronbees]

30. The only thing she has faith in

is her own desperate, myopic grab for power.

[truthisfreedom]

31. None of her cynical words negate the truth of what Obama said, however poorly worded.

He was, and is, right.

But I'll vote for Hillary if I have to. I doubt I'll have to.

[zanne]

32. I only have one thing to say about that...

:puke:

[derby378]

34. Hey, you and I actually agree on something!

Is there a pole shift or a harmonic convergence going on that I don't know about?

[slackmaster]

35. Another "Wow, zanne and I actually agree on something" moment

:grouphug:

[Amonester]

33. I didn't know Joshua bin-Joseph used to walk around with a...

or maybe, Judas did? :shrug:

Shame on (who?)

[Nancy Waterman]

36. She is proving what Obama said to be true

She is using the emotional issues of guns and religion to distract from the truth: that people are angry over what has been going on and feel disempowered by it. She is trying to manipulate the voters in the same way Republicans have for years and blaming Obama for describing it. I agree with whoever it was above who said that we have two Republicans and a Democrat running right now.

[AngryOldDem]

37. Again, she's just playing to the crowd.

And I take her fond memories of goin' huntin' with Daddy with an extremely HUGE (HUGH?) grain of salt. She's in Indiana, so of course she will make a pitch at what she "thinks" will appeal to a majority of Hoosiers.