Who recorded Obama's comments at a PRIVATE event and gave them to Huffington?

[NJmaverick]

Was this a political dirty trick by the Hillary people?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. Mayhill Fowler

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/hopeandchange/gGBWzl

[NJmaverick]

7. Odd, she donated and apparantly supported Obama

but traded that all in for her 15 minutes of fame.

[melody]

19. She was a plant

It shows how terrified the corporatists are of Obama that McClinton would go that far.

[NJmaverick]

23. Yes I see she was donated to Thompson as well

Clearly her loyalties are "mixed"

[C_U_L8R]

42. Roaches under the sofa.

Indeed.

[ruggerson]

2. there were apparently over a hundred videocams there as well

according to one of the organizers. So I imagine this will come out on video.

[UALRBSofL]

11. I was wondering about that because I've seen two different video cams of this

The one on the front of DU has Obama in some sort of courtyard. But, the other one I saw was at a $2,500 a plate dinner. He was in a building somewhere in the Bay Area. His lead off to the controversial statements he said he is looked upon as a white senator and the Billionaire Bay Area Fundraisers got a laugh then it went on to the controversial statements. So I'm a little confused about the different videos. He had several stops that day when he was in the Bay Area. Did he make the same statements at the different fund raisers that day?

[susankh4]

46. Sure there were.

There always are.

If he didn't want it to "leak out" he shouldn't have said it. It's that simple.

[ColbertWatcher]

3. Not the point...

...it may have been "private" but only in a narrow technical sense.

The question should be, why does this matter? Why is this a big deal? Why is the GOP-controlled media frothing over this non-issue instead of discussing the GOP involvement in torture?

[housewolf]

28. If Hillary Clinton wasn't making a big deal out of this, neither would the media

She's the one driving this and pointing all the attention towards it.

[2rth2pwr]

31. LOL!

[Two Americas]

71. that is misleading

Many of us have a problem with his remarks who are not Clinton fans and haven't heard MSM coverage of the issue.

"She's driving it" is silly too. That is what candidates do in campaigns.

[Captain_Nemo]

4. I am sure the obama supporters will find her out and harass her as they often do.

They have a problem with free speech.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Mayhill Fowler is her name.

And I'm sure she'll be denounced for what she did, but to consider that to be "harassment" reveals that YOU may be the one who has a problem with free speech.

[Captain_Nemo]

10. Obama supporters gave death threats to John Lewis and Tavis Smiley. that's liberal??

they are bullies.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. Funny how those "death threats" haven't been substantiated

Tavis says he got them but hasn't produced one.

At any rate, a few random nuts are not representative of a candidate's entire base of support. If that were the case, I would be terrified of all HRC supporters because of the idiots who post on www.hillaryclintonforum.net.

[crankychatter]

20. Evidence please... links? documentation? confirmation the anonymous threats were Obama supporters?

Oh, no evidence?

You call US thugs, while smearing US with unsubstantiated assumptions of guilt by association?

The most prestigious Law Enforcement Agency in the world, the Secret Service, confirms, the DAILY, CREDIBLE death threats on Obama, his family, and his church.

Do YOU care? No, you don't. And WE will remember your names... because minimizing that VERY REAL threat, is tantamount to acquiescence and approval.

If it did happen, you would spend decades, just like the Republicans, ressurrecting and re-assassinating the character of JFK, to justify the act.

You have nothing.

...to the nether realm with YOU.

[NJmaverick]

9. Seems to a candidate should be a little more relaxed at a PRIVATE function

there shouldn't be an expectation that someone is sercretly recording the conversation and plans to use it to further her career.

[2rth2pwr]

35. How dare she expose Obama's exact words! The chutzpha.

If he wants to insult rural American voters in front of his wealthy contributors, he should

be able to do that in the knowledge that they wouldn't find out about it.

There should be some kind of law.

[NJmaverick]

40. Yes how dare she make a private converstion public

[KittyWampus]

58. it's called being off the record. and journalists, which is what Fowler calls herself, have ethics

which were clearly violated.

[NJmaverick]

64. This is the second unethical journalis that Obama has had to deal with

remember the Scottish one? Seems hillary is always benefiting from the unethical behavior. Why is that?

[2rth2pwr]

60. Private conversation to hundreds of people?

[NJmaverick]

66. So what is the limit on the number of people that can be at a meeting

before a private meeting is forced to be public? 3? 12? 50? 100? What is the legal limit?

[2rth2pwr]

68. There is no legal limit, common sense will prevail.

Defending Barack by saying, yes he said those words about the poor rubes in PA, but he didn't mean to

hurt them, He thought he was at a private event and only the rich socialites of SF were to hear this, will

not work.

[susankh4]

48. Guess they will harrass Mr. McCain too?

[EFerrari]

5. Private is so 1996.

[conservdem]

6. I support him, but this is not a dirty trick to me.

I am no fan of HC and would not put much past her, but for good or for bad this was not a dirty trick.

[susankh4]

50. You are correct.

Why must they blame everything on their own party members?

Are these folks really Democrats?

[LiberalZrule]

12. Maybe so who knows

but the words were meant to be private not splashed across every political forum in the united states and on every news station across the country. Which is why he needs to apologize. If they were so true and such a mark to Obama's greatness and why he should be our candidate why does he need to apologize? He obviously offended some or a lot of people and he asked throughout his campaign to be held accountable and he is being held accountable.

[Eurobabe]

13. A "citizen JOURNALIST" who happened to contribute to Fred Thompsonan

and Barack. I wonder where her loyalties lie and who put her up to this trick.

Go here:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Oakland+++++++++++&st=CA&last=fowler&first=mayhill

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. She contributed to Obama to get into his events. nt

[Eurobabe]

17. You gotta wonder, why is NO ONE talking about this?

I've sent emails to DailyKos and HuffPo. :mad:

Edit: I bet you this person IS a plant, because the event was for donors of $2300. No wonder she maxxed out, it all makes sense now. This has been bugging me since I heard it break on Friday.

[NJmaverick]

22. I think we the internet citizens need to start asking the questions

the media should have asked.

[Eurobabe]

27. I want Olbermann to get this, anyone know how to contact him?

[Stephanie]

34. If it wasn't her own money then that is illegal.

What does she state as her occupation?

[2rth2pwr]

36. Because it doesn't matter.

[susankh4]

52. No duh!

That is the way this country works. Ya donate a bunch of $$$ and you get access.

The Obama folks seem to think it's not true for *their* candidate. He doesn't have "big" donors. Just little on-line ones. With $10 or $20 to give.

But, alas, he wasn't meeting with his little on-line donors. Was he?

Same old same.

[NJmaverick]

25. Her loyalties clearly don't lie with Obama

or she wouldn't have done what she did

[2rth2pwr]

37. What did she do?

[NJmaverick]

38. secretly recorded the comments that he made at a private event

then take the comments that he explained poorly (although at a private function, one shouldn't need to be as careful as public statements) and run to the press with them.

[2rth2pwr]

39. We support making public Cheney's meetings with Big Oil, but Obama gets a pass?

[NJmaverick]

45. apples and oranges- Cheney was conducting OFFICIAL government business

[2rth2pwr]

57. Would you be making this argument if Obama had said that it's time to bomb Iran?

[NJmaverick]

62. He didn't say that, so your point isn't valid

What he said, he has said before. Only he did a better job of saying it, when it's for public consumption. Seems to me you have no choice but grasp at straws to try and protect hillary. That should really tell you something about the true nature of the person you support.

[cali]

61. you get the stupidest post of the thread award.

you don't even have any competition. Comparing Obama's private meeting with supporters to Cheney and his meetings with big oil is stunning stupid. And I take it you won't have any objection to people secretly recording all hilly's private meetings. I bet there's some real juicy stuff from miss temper tantrum.

[Tom Rinaldo]

51. Well Thompson was about as Rove Republican establishment as it gets

If she had sympathies for him her video was going to make it's way into Republican hands one way or another if it didn't come out in the primaries first.

[hedgehog]

14. The tenor of what he said is exactly what he's been saying going

back to an appearance with Charlie Rose in 2004.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117879


He worked these statements into his stump speech at the town halls in Indiana, and had the crowd standing up and cheering. The dirty trick here is not that his comments were published but that selected phrases were isolated to cause confusion. I firmly believe that Obama will come out of this by the end of the week stronger than ever. He not only spoke the truth, but McCain and Hillary have exposed themselves as devoted to winning through tricks rather than by engaging people in the proper governing of this country.

[OmahaBlueDog]

18. There is no such thing as a "private event" in politics

Ask Randi Rhodes

[Bensthename]

21. Not with the new fandangled elctronic woopdy doos there isnt.

[NJmaverick]

26. This is especially true in this day and age of easy secret recordings

Sort of reminds me of Watergate.

[Eurobabe]

30. Well if they don't let you in unless you are a maxxed out donor

then that is "private." Or is that not what you meant?

[OmahaBlueDog]

49. I meant you are being watched

I mean celphones record audio and video and even maxxed out donors may have mixed loyalty.

[Eurobabe]

55. that was my point too

maxxed out donors can mean anything. Like a campaign spy.

[Moderate-Democrate]

24. To me it does not matter

He said it. If no one recorded it, then he would have said that is not what he said. You see, this is Obama, say one thing in public and behind closed doors something else.

[UALRBSofL]

32. What it looks like to me is more then one person recorded it. Video and audio.

But, Maifair is the one who blogged it on HuffPost? Anyway, not sure if it was HufPost but a major media outlet.

[Eurobabe]

33. Nice try, he said the same thing on Charlie Rose in 2004

It here, learn how to do research before you show your stupidity.

11 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJut4-dHuV8

[BenDavid]

29. well seeing as how the audio has caused all this against obama,

I cannot wait till the video comes out and then we get to do this all over again.:bounce: You bet yo butts I want him to quit, because there is too much baggage and racism in him to be the nominee.

[UALRBSofL]

44. BenDavid I've seen two videos so far

There's the one on Du and another one on Larry Johnson's site. I think it was his site, but don't quote me.

[JackORoses]

53. I will take extreme pleasure laughing in your face when Hillary bites the dust.

It's gonna be a sweet day!

[QC]

41. An agent of Goldstein, that's who! n/t

[susankh4]

43. This kind of thing happens to politicians all the time....

In essence, nothing they say is truly "private."

Mr. Obama should know that by now.

[NJmaverick]

47. and if Hillary planted her, that's OK with you?

[susankh4]

54. What's not OK with me is the unethical nature of your accusation....

that Hillary had anything to do with it.

Where's your proof?

[NJmaverick]

59. I have noticed that you have two sets of standards

You stated on another thread, you don't hold hillary to any ethical standards, it's all about winning. Now if you question the motives and who was behind a political dirty trick, that's unethical. Are you serious?!?!??!?!

[susankh4]

63. I did not say I don't hold Hillary to ethical standards.

That is coming from you.

Don't put words in my mouth.

[NJmaverick]

67. Here is EXACTLY what you said

Question: " Poll question: Will Senator Clinton say and do anything to get elected?"


Answer: " Come November I sure hope we have a nominee that will say what needs to be said, and do what needs to be done... to win! "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5468437#5468720

[susankh4]

70. Just as I said....

not one mention of ethics!

Why do you feel the need to keep cramming your perceptions down my throat?

[npincus]

56. an attention-seeking schmuck.

much more constructive would have been for her to contact the Obama campaign with her grievances and address it that way. Anyone with a brain would know this could have major ill repercussion for a candidate. Everyone misspeaks- now what did publishing that really accomplish? Unless she is working for either the Repubs or HRC.

[Bolo Boffin]

65. Even if it was Karl Rove in a wig and fuck-me pumps...

...it doesn't change the fact that Obama said what he said.

[2rth2pwr]

69. LOL!

[Two Americas]

72. dirty trick?

When someone reports what a Democratic candidate is saying in front of a group of wealthy people, how is that a "dirty trick?" Should candidates not have what they say reported to the public? Should meetings with groups of wealthy people be secret and private?

You may as well say that anything that hurts your candidate is a "dirty trick." Remind me which supporters think their candidate is entitled to the nomination again.

Arguing that Obama's words getting out to the public is a dirty trick is an admission that it is the candidate's own words that are hurting him, is it not?