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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:10 PM
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Hillary would have made more political hay if she had agreed with Obama
Saying that people are bitter is a true statement, a call for change, something that makes us against bushco. This flap over a word is already backfiring on Hillary. People ARE bitter and should be if they have been awake part of the last 7 years. She is desperate and it shows in this poorly thought plan to jump on Obama for a real statement.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:11 PM
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1. I'm sorry, but that would require actual class and character, and Hillary lacks both.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:12 PM
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2. I can't believe how monumentally stupid Hillary has turned out to be n/t
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:20 PM
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Considering how politically savvy she and Bill are supposed to be, I agree!
I don't know whether they have just "lost it", or maybe I gave Bill, at least, more credit than he deserved, but maybe it's just that blind ambition has completely taken over. Their strategic thinking is way off, and she/they/Penn or whoever is misfiring over and over. The sniper fire she was feeling is coming due, I guess.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:20 PM
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16. duplicate (sorry!)
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 03:21 PM by Sandi_4_Edwards
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:12 PM
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3. That's not what tone deaf, tin ear,
desperate hangers on, do.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:12 PM
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4. For the last time, nobody is taking issue with Obama saying people are bitter.
It's the part about people clinging to religion only because they are bitter.

Some of us actually do have faith and aren't religious out of bitterness.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:15 PM
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10. Clinton is.
She made a point of drawing the difference between them by saying that, in her extensive travels, she has not seen bitterness.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:17 PM
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12. he didn't say that either, Merwin.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:28 PM
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27. Sure sounds to me like he did
He said: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:17 PM
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13. You have it wrong.. Obama is also religious,, All he was saying
is people are frustrated after 25 years of lay offs, in these small towns these issues are all that you are left with.. And if he would have known he was being recorded he would have said "angered" instead of bitter (as if bitter was a bad word). And would have said "values" instead of "clings too".

This has been blown way out of context by Hillary.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:26 PM
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34. It hasn't been blown out of proportion by Hillary.
Well, maybe it has, but she wasn't the one to start it. The media clung on to it as quickly as it was said and ran with it.

Aside from Faux News, the media generally doesn't care about any candidate. They will cling on to whatever gets ratings.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:14 PM
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5. We can now understand why Bill prefers Monica,
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:18 PM
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14. How low will you go to trash her? Can you get any lower?
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:25 PM
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17. Yes, she is a false dem working for the GOP.. Another true statement.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:30 PM
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19. That is about the most ignorant defense I have ever heard on DU.
Obama folks always claim that if someone doesn't support their man, that they are a racists or a Republican. I just can't believe how so many have been hoodwinked or bamboozled by this man from Ill.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:56 PM
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26. Classic projection.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:33 PM
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20. Nobody can get as low as Hillary and some of her supporters have gotten n/t
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:45 PM
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23. I think you need to take a break, open your eyes and look at the Obama supporters
on this board. they will say anything to trash another democrat. Is that what you call hope, change and unity. If so I want not part of these people.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:51 PM
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24. It's reciprocal Mags. I want no part of Hillary supporters anymore
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:54 PM
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25. Don't worry Catherina, I'm sure Obama will get even less of Hillary supporters then you think.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:03 PM
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28. Don't count your chickies until they've hatched on Primary day
Here's another thread I think you missed since I don't see you in it.

jgraz posted it this afternoon and it should interest you considering it directly contradicts what you just wrote

White women begin to turn away from Clinton



LEVITTOWN, Pa. — Like many women over 50, Paula Houwen was eager to vote for Hillary Clinton for president.

"I was impressed when she was first lady. She wasn't the country's trophy wife," the 56-year-old suburban Philadelphia pharmacist recalled.

Today, though, Houwen's no longer a Clinton fan.

"I do not like the way Hillary Clinton has run her campaign," she said.

Clinton's strongest core of support — white women — is beginning to erode in Pennsylvania, the site of the critical April 22 Democratic presidential primary, and a loss here could effectively end her White House run.

A Quinnipiac University survey taken April 3-6 in Pennsylvania found that Clinton's support fell 6 percentage points in a week among white women. Nationally, a Lifetime Networks poll of women found that 26 percent said they liked Clinton less now than in January, while only 15 percent said they liked her more.



More at http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/33411.html


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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:14 PM
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6. Not only that, she could have phrased it more artfully and made a connection with the people of PA
while earning goodwill points in the party.

Instead she takes the cheap shot that will hurt all Dems in the end.

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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:14 PM
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7. Damn stright she would have. I'm sick of this bullcrap.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:15 PM
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8. Does the fact that Barack made the bitter statement and the fact that
Clinton took political advantage of his mistake make you Obama folks scared or what? I don't get it. That is what opponents do, they try to bring out the opponents faults. This is an election. They do not try to sell their opponents.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:15 PM
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9. Hillary said Obama is out of touch with people.
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 03:16 PM by Life Long Dem
Really.:shrug:
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:17 PM
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11. What planet do you live on?
Obama's statement showed his inexperience. He alienated Middle America. You can spin it all you want, but Obama fucked up. He fucks up a lot with his judgement.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:19 PM
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15. You see, when it comes to an argument over 'judgement', Hillary 'IWR' Clinton has no standing.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:27 PM
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18. Bull shit. He spoke the truth. You think some PA workers arent bitter? Read this.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:34 PM
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21. Hillary didn't have to say anything. Obama did the damage to himself all by himself...nt
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:36 PM
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22. A number of tactics employed by Clinton in this campaign
seem to indicate that enabling unity on the Democratic side is close to being the last thing on her mind.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:05 PM
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29. Bitter doesn't get the job done.
Bitter is kicking the wall because it is raining.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:13 PM
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30. bitter is most definitely getting..
the job done. It's why there have been record turn-outs of voters in state after state. Bitter works really well, if someone knows how to tap into that anger and stir people into action. Whatever...


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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:17 PM
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31. Bitter does not equal Anger
Anger can be useful. Bitterness is bitching about something rather than doing something to fix it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:22 PM
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32. ah please...
you are so bitter.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:29 PM
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33. NO...
I believe that I have specfically said that I am not bitter.

I even have a picture to prove it!


:P
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