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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:55 PM
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It's not bitterness that makes me 'cling' to my ANTI-TRADE sentiment.
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

This is where the Obama comment goes wrong. Before I hadn't heard the entire comment, and I dismissed the episode as an unfair pile on over a misunderstood gaffe. But, while people DO cling to antipathy and anti-immigrant sentiment because they are bitter (and people are bitter at the moment, I agree) it is the height of political foolishness to say that they 'cling to guns' due to this bitterness. And it is even more politically foolish to say that they 'cling to religion.'

But what galls me about this quote--what I find unforgivable, really--is his citing bitterness as the reason for 'anti-trade' sentiment. This is a statement worthy of a Republican. There are many valid reasons why people are bitter over free trade (and, yes, he is talking about 'free trade', for those apologists who need to twist every indefensible word out of their candidate's mouth instead of dealing with it--he's not talking about people who are against baseball trading cards or barter.)

I'm bitter and 'anti-trade' for damn good reason. I'm also bitter that in ONE QUOTE the likely nominee for the party pissed off both the right (you cling to guns and religion because you're bitter, not because you live on a farm and are 15 miles away down dirt roads from the nearest police station or because your religion helps you through 'bitter times') and the left (you 'cling' to anti-trade sentiment because you're bitter, not because you're a morally alive person who knows that free trade impoverishes everyone but the rich, and you are committed to fighting against it.

I just can't believe you people are fighting over these two arrogant, free trade, centrists.

But by all means, please go back to your echo chamber.

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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:56 PM
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1. Do you want to here Bill Clinton say the same thing as Obama? link here
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:58 PM
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2. Well...I think that ends the OP's argument. LOL
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:01 PM
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4. only to a narrow minded person
Fact is, we have 2 candidates who've been less than honest about their views on so called "free" trade.

Both are awash in corporate money.

That's the best the US can do?

What an embarrassing situation....
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:24 PM
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9. What does Bill Clinton have to do with shit? I dislike both candidates. Openly.
Not everything has to do with Clinton. And just because Clinton sucks it doesn't mean that your guy is some great champion of the---oh, of anyone at all. I think Obama is an arrogant centrist bore. I think Clinton is a centrist opportunist. What? No one is supposed to point out anything negative about Obama because Clinton's an asshole too?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:32 PM
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12. an arrogant centrist...
because he brings up God, Guns and Gays, and how the topic always trumps any discussion of what is really going on in this country. Whatever. Here's a small piece of the comments he made at the gathering on youtube http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Wiu_aunWgM
I'm sure you will find his persona reeks of arrogance in this as well, but maybe someone else that views people through a different lens might appreciate a little more background.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:03 PM
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15. No. I'm pissed off that he gave free trade a pass. Not 'guns, god, and gays.'
And free-trade IS the real problem. I don't like your candidate. Get over it. I don't like either of the candidates.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:23 PM
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17. What pass on free trade...
are you talking about?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:44 PM
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22. Read the OP.
I'm not going to repeat myself.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:00 PM
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3. What we're fighting over is the party = Access on y/our issues.
So people can sit on the sidelines and bitch about their take on an issue, such as Free Trade, and miss the boat, or they can work with others to get their voices heard, LOCALLY and Nationally.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:26 PM
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10. "Free trade" is not AN issue. It's pretty much the only issue.
This war is about free trade. The economic disaster is about free trade. The only issues in this country that aren't rooted in free trade are rooted in intolerance and hatred.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:03 PM
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5. I know many men and women who are bitter that their jobs left.
That they had to go find work at a job that paid less and forced them to work more.

You may not be bitter or angry, but many Americans ARE and they're tired of free trade because of what it's done to them personally.

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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:12 PM
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6. Obama was saying that free trade as a concept isn't the problem...
It is the lack of adequate protections on American Jobs and restrictions against companies exporting employment overseas.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:27 PM
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7. If that is what he says in San Francisco, then maybe he should call it "Fair Trade."
Words matter.

Flame away.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:27 PM
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8. Delete. Dupe. n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 05:28 PM by amandabeech
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:31 PM
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11. Yes, well free trade IS a doctrine that there should be no protections or restrictions.
No one is "anti-trade" except communists--even socialists aren't anti-trade in itself. Free trade is the concept that job protection and restrictions on corporations are unnecessary and that the market will 'take care of itself.'
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:34 PM
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13. Trade...

Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

* Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
* Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
* Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:59 PM
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14. "to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers"
Oh, great. :eyes: To hell with the Mexican worker. We'll continue to 'fix' the system so that our corporations only abuse people outside our borders and then put up electronic fences to keep them fleeing the neoliberal disaster area.

"The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is an example of neoliberal policy that the EZLN is against. Apart from opening the Mexican market to cheap mass-produced US agricultural products it spells an end to Mexican crop subsidies and drastically reduces income and living standards of many southern Mexican farmers who cannot compete with the subsidized, artificially fertilized, mechanically harvested and genetically modified imports from the United States. The signing of NAFTA also resulted in the removal of Article 27 Section VII in the Mexican Constitution which previously had guaranteed land reparations to indigenous groups throughout Mexico."

That was from Wikipedia. Here's a more intelligent analysis.

http://www.tomhayden.com/articlesGA4.htm

Of course I'm not saying that 'Clinton is better.' My point is that Obama is not good enough--not by a long shot. In my opinion: we either fix this problem or we don't. Fixing it for Americans is not fixing the problem. Neither candidate has the backing or the guts to accomplish the change that needs to happen--which is taking on global multinationals. Neither candidate is going to do it. I just don't appreciate having someone rub it in my face as some sort of 'bitterness.'
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:07 PM
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16. You keep giving them Hell, readmore
I have my own reasons for campaigning for Obama

but probably, I've been voting for the lesser of evils so long...
I'm like an old mule, that won't go any direction but the barn...

right now, if you've noticed... a lot of Clinton folk are focussed on this... to re-ignite the detrimental effects of his unfortunate comments in San Francisco

I suggest you look left and right, right now... and see who you're protesting WITH. Which neo-liberal Centrist do YOU despise the least? In '04 I was asking, "Which pro-war centrist do you despise the least?"
I've been saying the same sort of thing since 1967.

So, are you going to campaign for Nader? McKinney?

I've known they were snakes since I started handling them. Yeah, we'll all get bit.

I'd come back from a Teamster meeting once a month, ranting and raving to my father... he used to listen patiently then ask me...

"So, um... who you gonna shoot?"
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:43 PM
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21. I'll vote for the Democrat one last time.
And then we need a radical new paradigm or we're toast--and it maybe not be an electoral solution. I mean, there are other solutions. It's not about lesser evils anymore. It's about survival. When I was on strike it took us months to get the teamsters to agree to not cross our picket lines--and even then some did. Labor is a mess. The economy is a mess. And, despite all the complicating language, everything is a mess for one reason: free markets and the funding of corporations through public dollars.

Neither Clinton nor Obama could do anything about it if they wanted to anyway. It's really beyond their power. I'm not sure they care enough to do anything about it, though, and that's my point.

I understand that some people are going to like Obama better than Clinton and vice-versa. Irrelevant. My issue is that people seem joyously unaware that their candidate is not going to solve these problems or any others because the root of the problem involves standing up to people who will make sure you don't get elected if you challenge them. And the more people invest in these two (most likely sociopathic) ego-maniacs the more they let the little power they have--the power to stand in solidarity with other people who aren't profiteers--slip away.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:43 PM
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18. I don't understand...
how it is a person would go about undoing the bell of NAFTA. Senator Obama discusses negotiating new trade agreements. I really don't know what else you would expect of a candidate.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Economics/ThreeYears_NAFTA.html
THREE YEARS OF NAFTA:
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !
by Scott Cooper

On July 10, 1997, Bill Clinton released his Administration's report on three years of the North American Free Trade Agreement ( NAFTA).
By law, Clinton was required to release the report by July 1. But he missed the deadline-no doubt to ensure that the report would vindicate NAFTA, which has been under constant scrutiny and criticism since well before its ratification. As InterPress Service (IPS) reported on July 3, 'The delay appears reminiscent of the Administration's handling of a recent investigation of plant closings and labor practices under NAFTA, observers say.
Release of that report was delayed for months, during which time the Administration repeatedly disputed allegations it was seeking to suppress and sanitize the document."

And what did the Clinton Administration conclude?
NAFTA had a modest positive effect," says the report's executive summary, i'on U.S. net exports, income, investment and jobs supported by exports." In his cover letter to the report, Clinton wrote: "The Congress and the administration are right to be proud of this historic agreement. This report provides solid evidence that NAFTA has already proved its worth to the United States during the three years it has been in effect. We can look forward to realizing NAFTA's full benefits in the years ahead."
Why has the Administration been so keen on ensuring a positive assessment of NAFTA? Clinton is seeking Congressional support in the fall for so-called "fast track" authority to negotiate new trade accords, including the expansion of NAFTA to include Chile as well as the planned establishment of a hemispheric Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA). This means legislators would agree either to approve or reject-but not amend-trade accords the president negotiates. Administration officials believe they need this authority to signal other countries that they can negotiate without fear that U.S. Iawmakers will amend deals beyond recognition.
But, as trade officials have acknowledged in recent weeks there is concern that whatever public and political support for tree trade might have existed is waning. Given the stakes. the IPS report continued, the pressure has grown for officials to portray NAFTA as an engine of economic growth."
As London's Financial Times reported on July 9: "President Clinton believes he will need to expend a significant amount of capital on Capitol Hill to get fast-track authority. He does not want to spend it at least until the autumn, when the battle over the balanced budget is over."

Devastating effects
The run-up to the release of Clinton's report touched off a flurry of activity. The week before Clinton's report was released, six research groups-the Economic Policy Institute, the Institute for Policy Studies, the International Labor Rights Fund. Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch campaign, the Sierra Club. and the U.S. Business and Industrial Council Educational Foundation- issued a counter-report. titled '-The Failed Experiment: NAFTA at Three Years," the report is a scathing indictment of the treaty.


Here are some of the highlights regarding the United States.

For nearly two decades, the real wages of American blue-collar workers have been declining. Imports from low-wage countries are an especially important cause of increasing wage inequality, and Mexico is one of America's most important low-wage trading partners."
Many firms have used the threat of moving to Mexico as a weapon against wage increases and union organization. In a survey commissioned by the NAFTA Labor Secretariat, Professor Kate Bronfenbrenner of Cornell found that over half of the firms used threats to shut down operations to fight union organizing drives When forced to bargain with a union, 15% of firms actually closed part or all of a plant-triple the rate found in the late 1980s, before NAFTA."
Based on standard employment multipliers, the increase in the U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada has cost the U.S. 420,000 jobs since 1993 ('50,710 associated with changes in the trade balance with Mexico, and 169,498 with Canada). NAFTA was responsible for 38% of the decline in manufacturing employment since 1989. NAFTA and globalization generally have changed the composition of
employment in America, stimulating the growth of lower paying services industries and accelerating the deindustrialization of our economy."

The Clinton report claims that U.S. exports to Canada and Mexico supported an estimated 2.3 million U.S. jobs in 1996, "an increase of 311,000 jobs since 1993." But Lori Wallach, director of the Global Trade Watch program at Public Citizen, had a different assessment: The administration's NAFTA report must be
from Mars, which would explain both the delay and the amazing whoppers and omissions."
The "Failed Experiment" report illustrates how the 1995 peso crisis in Mexico, "commonly used to excuse the sharp deterioration of the U.S. trade balance with Mexico," in fact resulted from an engineered effort to support an aggressive export-led growth strategy in Mexico. The artificially high peso "held down inflation in Mexico" and "helped to win votes" in Congress for passage of NAFTA.
'The peso collapse has devastated Mexico's economy. The number of unemployed workers doubled between mid-1993 and mid-1995, to nearly 1.7 million. Additionally, there were 2.7 million workers employed in precarious conditions in 1996. To make ends meet, many families are forced to send their children-as many as 10 million-to work, violating Mexico's own child labor law. An estimated ~8.000 small businesses in Mexico have been destroyed by competition with huge foreign multinationals and their Mexican partners. Real hourly wages in 1996 were 7% lower than in 1994 and 37% below 1980 levels. Of the
1995 working population of 33.6 million, 19% worked for less than the minimum wage, 66% lacked any benefits, and 30% worked fewer than 35 hours per week. During three years of NAFTA, the portion of Mexican citizens who are 'extremely poor' has risen from 31 to 51%, and 8 million people have fallen from the middle class into poverty.'
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Those conclusions should be enough to convince every trade unionist and activist for social change from the Hudson Bay to Tierra del Fuego that the fight to stop NAFTA's expansion throughout the hemisphere should be a top priority. But if not. consider the scandalous report released on June 1 by the three nation North American Commission on Labor Cooperation on "Plant Closings and Labor Rights" under NAFTA. It had also been delayed-by some eight months-while commission officials sanitized the findings (not surprisingly, a charge they deny). IPS picks up the story. ' The study not only white-washes data,
it also under-reports it.' Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of Labor Education Research at Cornell University. was quoted as saying at the time.
"In research undertaken for the commission's report, Bronfenbrenner found a marked increase in U.S. employers threatening to move jobs to Mexico under NAFTA as a way of dissuading their workers from joining unions. When this effort failed. some 15 percent of employers actually closed their plants.
"These findings were expunged from the commission's report, " Bronfenbrenner told IPS. Even worse, the final conclusion of the report basically states that labor law is working effectively to deal with these problems and their only recommendation for the future is that there be more research.''
The job displacement effects and downward pressure on wages in the United States due to NAFTA is well documented. Here are a few examples.

In Pocohantas, Arkansas-with a population of only 6151- some 400 workers were laid off at the Brown Croup's shoe manufacturing plant due to "increased imports from Canada'' resulting from NAFTA, according to the report of the U.S. Department of Labor's NAFTA Transitional Adjustment Assistance Program. (Dec. 16, 1996)
Under NAFTA, JVC shifted production of television sets from its Elmwood Park, New Jersey plant to Tijuana, Mexico. laying off 198 workers in the process-according to the Labor Department. The New Jersey workers averaged $360 in weekly earnings, while the Tijuana workers get $50 on average. Some 24,600 workers in Tijuana are employed in the television manufacturing industry.
(Miami Herald. May '4, 1996)
According to an Institute of Policy Studies report, an estimated 69,048 U.S. jobs in motor vehicle-related industries were lost in 1995 due to trade with Mexico. Meanwhile, an internal memo revealed that Chrysler invested $300 million in facilities in Coahuila, Mexico between 1994 and late 1996.
According to the U.S. Labor Department report cited above, more than 100,000 U.S. workers had lost their jobs directly due to NAFTA by the end of last year. The Economic Policy Institute puts the real number at 600,000.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:30 PM
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19. Through radical and drastic measures, that's how.
And 'working with Republicans' isn't going to get it done. Both candidates are the wrong choice. Just less wrong than McCain and hardly less wrong than one another.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:57 PM
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23. Well...what single person...
can take 'radical and drastic measures' to Negotiate International Trade Deals? How would they do that? In my mind, it is not the person of Senator Obama that will 'change' things..it is his ability to mobilize and organize people. We've never had a President with his abilities, and we've never been in this time and place. Who knows what good may come? But then again, maybe no one is willing to take a chance. Stuck on stupid may be the preferred way.

This article appears in the January 1993 issue of Chicago

Magazine.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/
Vote of Confidence
A huge black turnout in November 1992 altered Chicago's electoral landscape—and raised a new political star: a 31-year-old lawyer named Barack Obama.
By Gretchen Reynolds
--------------------------------------------
In the final, climactic buildup to November's general election, with George Bush gaining ground on Bill Clinton in Illinois and the once-unstoppable campaign of senatorial candidate Carol Moseley Braun embroiled in allegations about her mother's Medicare liability, one of the most important local stories managed to go virtually unreported: The number of new voter registrations before the election hit an all-time high.
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At the head of this effort was a little-known 31-year-old African-American lawyer, community organizer, and writer: Barack Obama.
The son of a black Kenyan political activist and a white American anthropologist, Obama was born in Hawaii, received a degree in political science and English literature
from Columbia University, and, in 1990, became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. In 1984, after Columbia but before Harvard, Obama moved to Chicago. "I came because of Harold Washington," he says. "I wanted to do community organizing, and I couldn't think of a better city than one as energized and hopeful as Chicago was then." He went to work for a South Side church-affiliated development group and "was heartened by the enthusiasm." But barely three years later, Washington died, and Obama, convinced he needed additional skills, enrolled at Harvard Law School. The African-American community he left, rent by political divisions and without a clear leader, went into a steep decline. By 1991, when Obama, law degree in hand, returned to Chicago to work on a book about race relations-having turned his back on the Supreme Court clerkship that is almost a given for the law review's top editor-black voter registration and turnout in the city were at their lowest points since record keeping began.
Six months after he took the helm of Chicago's Project Vote!, those conditions had been reversed.
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The name Barack Obama surfaced. "I was asking around among community activists in Chicago and around the country, and they kept mentioning him," Newman says. Obama by then was working with church and community leaders on the West Side, and he was writing a book that the publisher Simon & Schuster had
contracted for while he was editor of the law review. He was 30 years old.
When Newman called, Obama agreed to put his other work aside. "I'm still not quite sure why," Newman says. ''This was not glamorous, high-paying work. But I am certainly grateful. He did one hell of a job."
Within a few months, Obama, a tall, affable workaholic, had recruited staff and volunteers from black churches, community groups, and politicians. He helped train 700 deputy registrars, out of a total of 11,000 citywide. And he began a saturation media campaign with the help of black-owned Brainstorm Communications.
(The company's president, Terri Gardner, is the sister of Gary Gardner, president of Soft Sheen Products, Inc., which donated thousands of dollars to Project Voters efforts.)
The group's slogan-"It's a Power Thing"-was ubiquitous in African-American neighborhoods. Posters were put up. Black-oriented radio stations aired the group's ads and announced where people could go to register. Minority owners of McDonald's restaurants allowed registrars on site and donated paid radio time to Project Vote! Labor unions provided funding, as, in late fall, did the Clinton/Gore campaign, whose national voter-registration drive was being directed by Chicago alderman Bobby Rush.

"It was overwhelming," says Joseph Gardner, a commissioner of the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District and the director of the steering committee for Project Vote! "The black community in this city had not been so energized and so single-minded since Harold died."Burrell agrees. "We were registering hundreds a day, and we weren't having to search them out. They came looking for us. African Americans were just so eager to have a say again, to feel they counted."

"I think it's fair to say we reinvigorated a slumbering constituency," says Obama. "We got people to take notice."
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As for Project Vote! itself, its operations in Chicago have officially closed down. Barack Obama has returned to work on his book, which he plans to complete this month. He also is teaching a class at the University of Chicago law school, and is an attorney at Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland. But he continues to consult with the church, community, and political groups involved in the monumental registration drive. "We won't let the momentum die," he says. "I'll take personal responsibility for that. We plan to hold politicians' feet to the flames in 1993, to remind them that we can produce a bloc of voters large enough
that it cannot be ignored."
-----------------------------
Obama shrugs off the possibility of running for office. "Who knows?" he says. "But probably not immediately." He smiles. "Was that a sufficiently politic 'maybe'? My sincere answer is, I'll run if I feel I can accomplish more that way than agitating from the outside. I don't know if that's true right now. Let's wait and see what happens in 1993. If the politicians in place now at city and state levels respond to African-American voters' needs, we'll gladly work with and support them. If they don't, we'll
work to replace them. That's the message I want Project Vote! to have sent."

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:31 PM
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20. You're also from NYC, so he wasnt talking to you.
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