Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The major difference between Clinton and Obama

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:24 PM
Original message
The major difference between Clinton and Obama
supporters that I've noticed, is that whatever bad that happens in the Clinton campaign, they don't pounce on it and say it's all Obama's fault. But, if Obama makes a mistake and it is noticed, like the "bitter" thing, it is blamed on Clinton. What?

And, even now, Obama supporters are paving the way for a spin if Obama loses the GE........it's, wait for it.... Clinton's fault. She stayed in the race too long. Now, I have not read anywhere, and I may be mistaken, any Clinton supporter saying that if Clinton loses the GE, it's Obama's fault....well, except in jest, to get back at the Obama supporters.

After reading all this nonsense on the boards, I'm actually warming up to Clinton, at least she and her supporters seem to be willing to accept responsibility if they fail, that is more than I can say about Obama and his supporters.

zalinda
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
1. Thanks for your unbiased opinion
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
2. "bitter" was a mistake?
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 05:25 PM by jhuth
Why?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Because
It gave HRC and her backers another false, sliver of hope that she has a chance. Now she's definitely staying in the campaign for 100 years if need be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
3. Gobama!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
4. One question: did Obama jump on 'snipergate' and make 'DUCK!' stickers?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Heh. Good comeback.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
6. Clinton's not being blamed for Obama's "mistakes",
she's being blamed for distorting the issues and running her campaign from the gutter.

As Garbageman mentions above, the Clinton campaign is handing out "I'm not Bitter" stickers at rallies now. When Clinton lied 4 times about being subjected to "sniper fire" in an attempt to shore up her foreign policy credentials, what did Obama do?

Nothing.

Even when asked about it, he said he would let the Clinton campaign answer on that issue.


Most of us agree with maintaining the high road, but it's damned frustrating at times in the face of a candidate who will stoop to anything to win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:37 PM
Response to Original message
7. The reason that Obama supporters will blame Clinton if he loses the general is because
she is actively trying to sabotage his chances. Do you see Obama cavorting with and coordinating talking points with McBush? Does Obama' wife go on the Drug Limpslob Show the day of the OH/TX primary? Does Obama go into Richard Mellon Snake's office to discuss talking points? Does Obama's campaign manager have lunch with Karen Hughes? How about you just stfu?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
9. Clinton is certainly not responsible for Obama's statements. It is her response that is pissing
people off.

Katrina vanden Heuvel points out what Clinton is doing that has people pissed:


OBAMA IS RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE ANGRY. ...Right-wing ABC radio talkshow host John Batchelor has filled my in box in these last 18 hours with e-mails dissecting and skewering what Obama meant when he said at a private April 6 fundraiser that small-town voters in economically distressed areas of Pennsylvania are "bitter." Batchelor and Laura Ingraham and Monica Crowley and Sean Hannity and Rush and O'Reilly are ready and rearing to go, quick to their guns to paint Obama as an elitist. {Read the excerpt from Nation columnist Eric Alterman's "Why We're Liberals" in the April 14th issue of The Nation to understand the cynicism and hypocrisy at the root of the conservative cabal's forty-year campaign.}

The Right has its reasons to play this cynical card. It is the Clinton campaign's rapid-fire, right-wing populist response to Obama's remarks that I find so troubling and cynical, and sure to hurt the party and the country in the general election.

Strip down what Obama was saying: He addressed the trouble his campaign of hope and change was having in "places where people feel most cynical about government." While he has tried to speak concretely about the conditions of peoples' lives, his campaign continues to have trouble making inroads among white working class voters, and "old economy" voters whose idea of change isn't hope but rather losing a job or a pension. Yet he is narrowing the margins.

...

The political discontent is obvious--and Obama is trying to speak to that. Americans are fed up with government's failure to do anything much for them, or that they're proud of being part of. " Here's how it is," he said in his April 6 remarks. " In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania people have been beaten down for so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it." Here's where the Right's generation-long attack on government has done real damage to citizen confidence in government. We see it all around us everyday. But. surely the other critical source of citizen doubt is that government has in fact done little recently to measurably improve their lives and give them a sense of national purpose. After all, Bill Clinton, long considered the master politician of his age, was basically in the business of lowering expectations of government even faster than they were disappointed. Obama is trying to amp up expectations which the Right and Clintonism have tamped down.

The right wing is clearly desperate. ready to seize on anything to change the subject and hide how out of touch they are with an America in financial pain. But how cynical of the Clinton campaign to claim Obama was condescending to the people of Pennsylvania.


http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=309337

Clinton's actions - her words - are what is pissing people off. She isn't responsible for Obama's words but she is responsible for hers. Obama is similarly responsible for his actions and words re Clinton in Snipergate but, of course, he reacted very differently.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:01 PM
Response to Original message
10. Well, to start with, Clinton won't be in the GE, so that assertion would be absurd...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:06 PM
Response to Original message
11. The major difference between Clinton and Obama
One is a Democrat...the other isn't.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 17th 2024, 11:56 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC