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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:54 PM
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Clinton has 5 times more successful sponsored bills passed than Obama
See
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/repstats.xpd

Clinton: 10 sponsored bills passed
Obama: 2 sponsored bills passed

Missed U.S. Senate votes:
Obama: 19%
Clinton: 7.8%
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:55 PM
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1. She's also been in the Senate longer.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:56 PM
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3. Oh don't point out a pesky little fact like that!
It makes too much sense!
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:57 PM
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8. LOL
:toast:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:01 PM
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17. Facts make Hillary drink.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:10 PM
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26. OMG....
...the crossed-eyes are just too much in that pic! :rofl:

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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:25 PM
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34. HAHAHAHA nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:35 PM
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46. Just another thing she has in common with Bush........
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:07 PM
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24. So math whiz-
work out the proportions
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:57 PM
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7. please stop pointing out the facts, this is GDP we dont like facts here
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:58 PM
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10. Yes, more experience
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:58 PM
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12. Actually, Obama's been in legislative office longer.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:04 PM
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19. WoW
Where the hell was that experience (and might I add judgement) when it came time to vote for the IWR, over 4000 families have the right to know. You know considering the war is a big deal and she wants to be queen of America some day.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:36 PM
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47. not 5 times longer though
just sayin
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:12 AM
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57. Exactly, which equates with more experience. Glad you agreed.
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:56 PM
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2. Sounds like she's 5 times more neo-con
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:56 PM
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4. Could we get a listing of those bills? Thanks.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:00 PM
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15. She has been very successful at naming Post Offices, I believe.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:12 PM
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27. I don't have those yet but here is list of recent sponsored bills
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:56 PM
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5. She represents more corporations than Obama too
Is that a sign of success, or failure?
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:57 PM
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6. Easily explained.
She has been in the Senate longer.
He has been running for President the last year.

Compare her passed bills to the number he passed in Illinois.

See we can make numbers say anything.
Some numbers we can't and won't change is he is winning, he will win, and he will be our next president.

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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:48 PM
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50. What bills did he sponsor in Illinois? I haven't been able to find any of his state senate records.
How many of his sponsored bills were passed in Illinois?
And can you support it with a link, like I did, instead of just making claims?
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:58 PM
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9. Iraq War Resolution
Clinton: YES
Obama: NO

pwned.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:00 PM
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14. Look, I'm an Obama supporter but that's just factually incorrect
he didn't vote on the IWR as he wasn't in the Senate.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:27 PM
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35. okay, let's phrase it this way
She supported the war from the start and he opposed it.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:16 PM
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30. Clinton never sponsored such a bill
And she never voted to go to war in Iraq only to use force and more inspections to stop Hussien
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:22 PM
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32. War = Force genius. nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:31 PM
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36. To put it bluntly....
...you are full of shit.

Here is the title of that bill:

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

Where the fuck do you see "inspections by force?"

:eyes:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:44 PM
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38. The only word that comes to mind is "horseshit".
It just didn't happen. If you were Hillary Clinton, someone might call you a liar. If they don't, I will.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:58 PM
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11. If that were the criteria, we should all vote for Robert Byrd -- he has more experience too
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:01 PM
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16. Right, Dennis Kucinich
would have been the man :kick:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:08 PM
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25. You can say that again!!!
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:59 PM
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13. Strangely, this site has different missed vote statistics.
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 06:01 PM by PseudoIntellect
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

This says it's actually 39% Obama and 29% Clinton. And McCain has over 50%. Most of the top members were running for POTUS.

Looks like it only includes votes for the 110th Congress.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:03 PM
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18. She has also been selling our asses out to foreign governments
through her hubbies speaking fees longer, too.


109 million minus $30,000 for book sales

Don't compare and contrast unless you really want to talk about their finances, too.....


Cheers!!


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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:16 PM
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31. THANK YOU! What is a more important issue?
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catcher Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:06 PM
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20. lets not play these gotcha moments
If you check the dates of the votes he missed 99.5% are from the beginning of January to now, you know, the timeline of of our current primary contests.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:06 PM
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21. This relevent because?
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:33 PM
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53. Arn't one's accomplishments relevant?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:07 PM
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22. Actual Work in the Senate
Barack Obama, who has been in the Senate only four years, has authored or co-authored 1,986 bills. on every conceivable subject (and has sponsored over 800 bills).

Hillary Clinton, who has been in the Senate for eight years, has authored or co-authored only 20 bills, 15 of which were concerned with honoring this-or-that person, naming roads, bridges, and post offices after them, or designating holidays.

WHICH OF THESE WERE THE ONES THAT PASSED?

While Obama has been working like a house of fire, she’s been a passive space-filler, showing no initiative, and content to sit back, collect a paycheck, and vote on other people’s work. A “major difference,” indeed.

Your post is misleading to the point of fraud.

Clinton is a DC insider and fat cat, collecting the BIG LOOT and doing NOTHING of importance.

Obama may not have gotten a lot of bills passed but he does more before noon than she does all year.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:31 PM
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44. Clinton has sponsored 359 bills while Obama has sponsored 129
Here is my link:
http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/110/repstats/enacted.xml
which is an independent, neutral website.

Where is your link?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:07 PM
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23. Now back to the nether realm with YOU
*poof*
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:15 PM
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28. Is this supposed to make me switch my support?
Because I'd rather have a person who I believe has integrity and fewer sponsored bills any day.

So if that was your intent, I'm sorry but it didn't work.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:16 PM
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29. Good. She should stay in the Senate then.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:22 PM
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33. Well, she served in the senate longer...
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:34 PM
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37. That has to be wrong because BO supporters have touted how much he has helped we disabled veterans
by being a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee.

BO was the sponsor of three bills passed by the Senate, see Barack Obama, U.S. Senator

S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.

S.Res. 268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

S.Res. 133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

BO is #1 on one measure, he missed a larger percentage of votes than any other senator.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:02 PM
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39. proving, if anything, that we'd all rather keep her in the senate.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:17 PM
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40. GIven her entire lifetime of experience 60 years
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 07:20 PM by dmordue
A side by side comparison per year would be alot more meaningful
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:24 AM
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55. She's done much more than just that
See her resume.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:18 PM
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41. And Obama's Illinois record is a fraud. Emil Jones handed him bills others fought for for years...
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:33 PM
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45. Is this actually true? Link please.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:50 PM
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51. Yup. Don't you think it is odd all his "achievements" came in one year?
Essentially one party boss took a liking to Obama and decided to play kingmaker.

-
snip-

It's a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure. Each session, Obama backed legislation that went nowhere; bill after bill died in committee. During those six years, Obama, too, would have had difficulty naming any legislative ­achievements.

-snip-

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/full

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:51 PM
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54. Makes sense, create a record by taking credit for the work of others while blaming others for your
failures.

Have I seen that political strategy used by another political adviser?
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:39 PM
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48. Is that actually true? Do you have a link?
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:18 PM
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42. Reason # 47 she should stay in the senate. nt.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:22 PM
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43. I guess she's been five times more successfull at screwing the country too. eom
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:43 PM
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49. What are the successful bills she has had passed and signed into law?
And were they bills or resolutions? I have been trying to get this info for a while. I did a search once and found that she had sponsored some resolutions that passed, but could not find any substantive legislation. I am sure she has some legislative accomplishments, but have yet to find out what they are.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:30 PM
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52. I will post this information when I get it.
These were 10 bills that Hillary sponsored that were passed.
I haven't been able to find out which bills yet.
I finally contacted Hillary's website and asked for the information.
Strangely the media doesn't seem to report such things as actual legislation that the candidates have accomplished. Also I cannot find a resume on either candidate.

You would think that for the most important job on the planet, the candidates would have a resume.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:26 AM
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56. You'll notice that the people who most criticize Hillary know jackshit about her record.
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