Clinton's Colombian Cackle-Gate: Is there a more important GATE than this!?

[Bonobo]

Let me see if I got this right, cause maybe I'm kinda slow. But it SEEMS to me that while Hillary was telling us she was against a Colombian Trade Agreement, she was secretly sending her TOP STRATEGIST AND UBER-ADVISOR, MARK PENN, to Colombia to actually negotiate the deal. A couple of days after this was found out, BUSH TRIED TO PUSH THE COLOMBIAN TRADE DEAL THROUGH CONGRESS.

AND... We find out that Bill has accepted 800,000 dollars for 5 speeches from a lobbying group trying to get this type of deal passed. Is this generally right? Cause it smells so baaaaad.

Also, the Clinton Presidential Library, where is the money coming from? Mostly from foreign govts (The Clinton won't TELL us though until after the election).

Here's another... the Dubai Connection (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4246)

Also, I seem to recall something about selling off rights to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom.

So, influence peddling seems to be an important part of the Clinton Dynasty.

Is "Bitter-Gate" more important than selling out your country to foreign influence?

Please watch Hillary's reaction when asked the highly legitimate question about Bill's $800,000 and whether there was a conflict of interest. WATCH!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tngWyRHIjYU

[Willo]

1. Yes. She successfully distracted all that is weekend.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

44. NY Times today: "Union Killings Peril Trade Pact With Colombia"

Elitist, Hillary? How about you and Bill grifting and profiting off of
these folks deaths, by helping their oppressors?

Union Killings Peril Trade Pact With Colombia

By SIMON ROMERO
Published: April 14, 2008
BOGOTÁ, Colombia — Lucy Gómez still shudders when speaking of the murder of her brother, Leonidas, a union leader and bank employee who was beaten and stabbed to death here last month. His murder was part of a recent increase in killings of union members in Colombia, with 17 already this year.

...The case of Leonidas Gómez, Ms. Gómez’s brother, is one of several examples of union officials killed in recent weeks who were involved in organizing rare protest marches last month against paramilitaries. Government investigators here said they were investigating all the recent killings but had not yet identified those responsible.

...Some of the killings linger over commercial ties with the United States, Colombia’s largest trading partner. Paramilitaries, for instance, killed three union leaders in 2001 who were employed by Drummond Company, an Alabama coal producer with operations in northern Colombia. A jury in Birmingham, Ala., cleared Drummond last year of claims that it was responsible for the killings.

...“We are a stigmatized group,” said Mr. Boada, explaining his role in helping to organize last month’s march against paramilitaries. “I am certain this happened because of my union activities.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/world/americas/14colombia.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&th&emc=th

[crankychatter]

2. "I just discovered my husband is rich... tee hee"

so much for "liberation"

[Bonobo]

13. It is WAY worse than that.

[Fridays Child]

3. She responds, "How do you answer that?"

I wonder how she did answer it. Is there more video?

[BzaDem]

6. She answered it by saying that she was absolutely opposed to the trade deal, and nothing

anyone said would change that, absent the kind of change she is looking for in the trade agreement. She said she has been opposed to it, is opposed to it, and will be opposed to it. It's a shame people cut the video off right before she actually answers it.

[Bonobo]

9. So then what was Mark Penn doing there?

And why did she look like a wolf that was just asked where the chickens are?

[Fridays Child]

26. The issue was that her family and her campaign have benefited from supporting the agreement.

How did she respond to that? The question wasn't whether she opposes it. And, in any case, for her to say that she opposes it, while she directly benefits from support for it, is dishonest.

[Bonobo]

15. Her crazy, nervous response was the most telling answer.

[Bonobo]

45. Yes, I wonder if she is even sane.

[BzaDem]

4. I actually think she did great.

She pointed out how rediculous it was to suggest that because her husband got less than one percent of his money from a group supporting the trade deal, that she can't lend her campaign any money.

[Bonobo]

5. So why was Mark Penn negotiating a deal she publicly opposed?

[BzaDem]

8. Because Mark Penn wasn't doing it on behalf of the Clintons.

He is hired by Clinton and other clients.

Was it stupid for Hillary to hire someone who worked for other groups? Yes. But that doesn't have anything to do with a conflict of interest.

[Bonobo]

11. Boy Hillary sure doesn't get much for 3 million dollars a month, does she?

I mean she can't even keep him working exclusively for her? Wow!

:sarcasm:

By the way, do you REALLY believe that? It strains credulity.

[Bonobo]

25. Chirp. Chirp. Chirp.

[Bonobo]

39. How odd that you refuse to defend a statement you made.

[guyanakoolaid]

10. EXACTLY

expect nothing but more rhetoric in response to your question.

[Bonobo]

12. Actually I asked a very good question above.

Doesn't 3 million buy you a liitle bit of exclusive work? I mean, come on, it's a presidential campaign!

[guyanakoolaid]

40. I was agreeing with your question

This one: "So why was Mark Penn negotiating a deal she publicly opposed?"

[Bonobo]

41. I misread. Sorry.

[Bonobo]

34. Chirp. Chirp. Chirp.

[karynnj]

17. It;s more than 1% of their combined annual income

The $109 million was for 7 years. But nearly half came from Clinton speeches - many in countries that may think they are buying a friend.

[NJmaverick]

7. Have to admit other than witches in the movies, I have never heard

a cackle before Hillary's

[quantass]

14. You've got it right....but the MSM "commands" it does not exist yet.

[Bonobo]

18. They don't command shit this year and they are about to find that out.

We push more info across these internet tubes in one day than CNN could push in a decade.

The message is no longer in their hands.

The power is shifting.

IF we realize it and grasp it.

THAT is what a political movement (as opposed to the 51/49 "my turn/your turn" defacto agreement they have now).

[ruggerson]

16. I thoiught Obama had this sewn up

"the man who will be our nominee."

So, according to that logic, shouldn't you be focusing on McCain?

[Bonobo]

19. I am focusing on Hillary for the moment because although he will win, she can

make little scratch marks on his face.

[ruggerson]

20. Ah, I see

it's kind of hard to keep up.

[Bonobo]

22. Beleive me, I wish I didn't have to. One big happy family is what I have wished for many times.

It hasn't ever worked.

My general philosophy is to stay out of fights when possible.

But when you are in a fight, well... you try to end it -on top.

[cliffordu]

21. I'm thinking the obvious:

She and her husband are selling your asses to the highest bidder -

They did it in the White House -NAFTA - And her early Walmart Union busting

And now they're making DEALS with the Colombians and the Chinese outside channels, with NO authority.

:puke:

[Bonobo]

23. I would think those are valid questions. Yes. Absolutely. If only because the seriousness of them.

[cliffordu]

29. Man, I gotta stop posting while I cook.

I just repeated part of your post and thought I was actually posting someplace else...


SORRY!!!!!!


sheeit.

[Bonobo]

35. I don't get it. But it's fine, whatever it is.

[Yael]

24. I was stunned when I saw that

She is in a class all her own.

[Bonobo]

27. And these are issues which strike right at the core of our Democracy. Yet no discussion.

This is why I have so little sympathy and respect left for the hardcore Shillarists here.

[TLM]

28. She seems a little crazy in this response....

Her inappropriate laughter reminds me of Bush snickering when asked a question he can't answer.

[Bonobo]

30. Yes, crazed.

[1776Forever]

31. She and all her surrogates including Carvell seem to think everything is a joke!

Carvell laughed his butt off today on Meet The Press talking about HRC and how she handle her "misspeaks"! Oh yeah its really funny isn't it James! Just what we need another person in the White House that does and says ANYTHING he/she damn well pleases!

:argh:

[Bonobo]

32. Yeah, influence peddling with foreign governments is HILLARYous!

[Bonobo]

33. So some posters here said that Mark Penn was working for "other clients" at the time.

Question: Are we supposed to smile after we are force-fed that bullshit?

Mark Penn was paid 3 million that month I believe. He earns incredible fees and I am supposed to believe he wasn't working on Hillary's dime?

Come-the-fuck-on already, people!

[Oilwellian]

36. Bill Clinton & Plan Columbia

Bill has been involved in Columbian trade for quite some time. George Bush wasn't the first president to introduce mercenaries in a foreign country for the benefit of corporate profits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb6TK1zEVMk

[Bonobo]

37. I agree, but people will take it more seriously if you sell Colombia right.

[quakerboy]

38. She got caught on Video

Bitter gate is the distraction from that, an extremely desperate move. I personally doubt she would get more than 35% anywhere remaining if people would all watch her get caught and let it sink in. Its not even so much that Bill took the 800k or the Penn connection. It was the blatant 3 year old "I got caught" move, not even a convoluted teenage lie to meet the situation. If you cant trust her, then her claimed issues and experience mean very little.

[Bonobo]

42. Kick cause it's too important to let the MSM ignore.

[uponit7771]

43. Kick

[EFerrari]

46. What I don't get is this. How can people believe Clinton

cares about working people here if her husband and her campaign manager are willing to support getting them butchered in Colombia?

It makes no sense to me.