Do you Hate Hillary or simply Dislike her?

[Window]

I've been so torn over my loss of respect for both, Hillary and Bill Clinton -- I thought they had lost their every loving minds here lately. Then it came to me, that to Hillary, Bill, her big money supporters and her loyal voting supporters everywhere, there is nothing nefarious about her plan and what she's doing -- it is just as she says -- she wants to become POTUS. To that end, she needs to dirty Sen. Obama up as much as she can to make her case to the SDs that, "see, I'm electable, he's not." Deep in their hearts, they truly believe Sen. Obama is totally unelectable, while she is, obviously, the best person for the job of POTUS.

I do believe part of their reasoning has to do with race, but not all,...they can't possibly conceive that this man, this Black man, this upstart could ever win the GE over her, plus it's not his turn.

Thus, her simple statement to Richardson, "He can't win Bill." No matter how much money he raises; how well his campaign is being run; how well he speaks; how many SDs, pledged delegates, how many more contests he's won than Hillary, whether or not he has won the popular vote, his exotic background, etc., he is just an "empty suit." Hillary and her supporters truly believe she is, without a doubt, the best thing that could happen to America -- it's her turn.

Hillary's oppo team has been digging and searching for dirt on Sen. Obama for well over a year and have come up with nothing except petty, phony 'gates' regarding him, his wife, his paster and any one he's ever come in contact with in his entire life; well, as far back as kindergarten anyway.

With Hillary's long-time planning for the presidency, her inevitability ("It will be over by Feb. 5th"); her name recognition; in addition to having a popular, well-liked ex President for a husband, they were totally unprepared for the storm that is Barack Obama.

While I don't support Hillary, I'm glad that, in my mind at least, I don't hate her as I thought I did. I simply dislike her, but if by chance she happens to garner the nomination, I will vote for her.

If you've read this, thanks for listening to my tortured rant.

[Perry Logan]

1. Like most people, I like her just fine.

[Window]

9. I expected that from you, but "most" people do not like Hillary.

[Perry Logan]

15. Clintophobes think everybody feels the way they do. But this is a delusion.

[scheming daemons]

55. 52% negativity ratings are not a "delusion"....

....more than half of the population does not like her.


That's just a simple fact.

[WillyToad]

63. Obama's negative rating at 51%

http://thenewsbuckit.com/2008/03/obama-unfavorables-hit-all-time-high.html">So I am not sure what your point is...

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. She has earned the hate of most of the country...

...Republicans hate her. Now a large number of Democrats hate her.

And, she cannot win in the GE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5280301&mesg_id=5281280

[flor de jasmim]

2. She's likeable enough, when she's off the campaign trail.

[Window]

6. Exactly.

Though I doubt I'll ever feel the same about the Clintons after this primary.

[napi21]

3. Neither. I voted for Barack, but either him or Hill would be fine

with me. What bothers me a LOT MORE thanBarack or Hill are the haters on both sides. They've given the media a whole lot to work with and made DU a place many of us don't enjoy much anymore.

[NJmaverick]

4. She has behaved just like george bush jr, and I feel the same way

about her as I do him.

[Window]

14. There is nothing I can say to that. Thanks for your response.

[my3boyz]

5. I hate her! I have also lost all the respect I had for Bill.

I never really cared for Hillary. I adored Bill Clinton. I defended him til the end. I told my son what a wonderful president he was. Unfortunately, now I see the Bill Clinton that I did not see before. He is the Bill Clinton that I did not want to see. He is the Bill Clinton that the Republicans complained about. I never could see it. Anyway, I'm finished with both of the Clintons. I will never be able to forget how he stood there and lied about Barack so many times. I will never forget how she lied about Barack and then played nice to his face (like last night). She knows that Barack is not like that but she is using it to score political points." That is why I don't like her. She comes across and vindictive and the type that would do anything to win. If I never see their faces again it will be too soon.

[cboy4]

10. So much hate. It's appalling.

:thumbsdown:

[Window]

19. Yeah, sorta like people feel about *Bush.

:thumbsdown:

[NJmaverick]

40. She behaved the same way and she got the same response

go figure

[Window]

13. I can certainly understand that. I keep vacillating...even since the OP. LOL!

So, I truly understand where you're coming from.

[Lisa0825]

7. I despise her politics...

and when someone is as deep in as her, it's a tough call to try to separate her from the politics. It's a two-way street. The DLC despises progressives too. They want us gone, or at the very least, to shut the hell up and let them run the game.

[cboy4]

8. Oh you know who I can't stand is that back-stabber

Bill Richardson.

Although I certainly won't go so far as saying I hate him like many of the Obama supporters so casually say about Hillary.

[Voltaire]

41. Exactly whose back did he stab eh?

Mr. Richardson is a big boy and free to make any choices he likes. He liked Obama. Was he required somehow to give Hillary his vote? Feel free to explain. But with facts though, I'm a little tired of emotions and assertions not backed up with facts.

[40ozDonkey]

66. He stabbed cronyism in the back. Go figure, cronies don't like that. n/t

[cboy4]

77. Once again, Mr. Richardson owes his entire career to the

Clintons.

His resume would be the size of an index card without Bill Clinton selecting his for jobs dozens of other people were equally as qualified. Let's be honest.

And while we're being honest, let's admit Richardson decided Obama is going to win the nomination.

So, in order to get another job with the White House, he decide to back Obama.

Yea, loyalty/gratitude, etc., did dictate he was required to "give Hillary his vote," since the candidates are nearly indistinguishable on issues.

[terip64]

11. I don't like her and never did. I have a sister that reminds me of her...

I think that some women over compensate for being women and make themselves out to be these dragon women. I never felt that threatened as to think that my intuition, my womanly way of approaching something wasn't far superior to anything some uptight authority type could come up with be it a he or a she. My sister didn't trust her intuition and tried to always think like a man. A not very nice man. I don't like the calculated, anything is fair approach. My sister once had her assistant type up her own job description for a want ad and then she fired her. That is the kind of bullshit I have NO patience for. My mother and I fight over this because she wants Hillary and I say to her that she is just like my sister. How can you like her? And she says we need a bitch in the White House. No lie. Obviously, I don't agree but I think some people do, though I think less and less each day.

[Window]

18. Damn. That's pretty deep.

Thanks for your honest response.


Peace:thumbsup:

[terip64]

21. No problem. I live in that deep zone all the time, sometimes I need a break.

Thank God for DU, that's what I say! :)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

12. I hate this primary.

[Window]

16. Oh, God! I do, too.

In my 64 years and in my opinion, this is the worst primary EVER!

[jedr]

17. Have gone from strongly supportive to can't stand to hear her;

The elitism comment put me over the top. That's what I would expect for Limbaugh, not one of our own. There are some things that can be left to the Roves of the world, all I wanted was a good honest debate.

[Window]

23. Yes. The elitist thingy put the icing on the cake for me, also.

That's why I was awake most of the night attempting to figure what the hell had happened to she and Bill.

[irish.lambchop]

20. Neither. I've come to view her as a study

of sorts. There's a hint of the character Stuart Smalley in her ('I'm good enough; I'm smart enough, and darn it, people like me.' if I have that quote correct) and Daffy Duck - specifically the cartoon in which he was exposed to jewels and pearls and his mantra was "Mine! Mine! All mine!".

[Window]

25. Now that is very interesting.

Not familiar with that quote, but it describes Hillary to a T.

Thanks for your response.



Peace:thumbsup:

[MrSlayer]

22. I used to simply dislike her.

Now I pretty much despise her. But I'll still vote for her if she manages to wrest the nomination from Obama because I hate McCain's policies more than I hate her.

[Window]

32. That's the spirit!

Peace:thumbsup:

[sniffa]

24. I don't hate her, just her voice

It's unbearable when she comes on the TV.

[Window]

28. LOL! I'm not even going to get started on her voice.

:banghead:

[Marrah_G]

26. Neither- I like her alot, always have.

[Window]

31. You're entitlled but, of course, you know this post wasn't directed at Hillary supporters.

Thank you for your response anyway.



Peace:thumbsup:

[Marrah_G]

37. That is where I take issue Window

Had the post been about Obama, worded the same way, my response would have been the same.

Your assumptions are wrong.

Not all Hillary supports hate Obama, nor do all Obama supporters hate Hillary.

Many of us a are Democrats who can support one candidate while still thinking the other candidate isn't "the bad guy".

Unfortunately the ones who hate on this forum tend to yell the loudest.

[Window]

44. Point well taken. I, too, dislike it when some people use a broad brush

to describe all supporters on either side.

There are some fair DUers, not many, but some. Plus we also have to put up with the trouble making trolls. However, I think the mods are doing a monumental job of weeding them out.:thumbsup:Mods.

As I said, this is the most contentious primary I've ever seen, but I have to believe that, no matter who the eventual nominee is, we'll all put aside our likes/dislikes and get behind our Democratic candidate.

Anyone except McWar.


Peace:thumbsup:

[Marrah_G]

46. Absolutely- any Dem over any repug.

I've seen a slight change in some of the old-timers towards trying to mend some fences and behave more kindly to one another in the last couple weeks. I do hope the trend continues as we are all going to need one another, no matter who's candidate wins.

Peace- right back at ya!

:hi:

[Window]

27. Thank you all for your great replies.

Hillary's attitude during this primary has really bothered me. I don't generally hate anyone, and my hate/dislike for her has been eating at me. Hell, it still is. I was just wondering if others felt torn like I do.

Thanks again all.



Peace:thumbsup:

[DemsUnited]

29. I've gone through a few phases.

1. Liking and respecting her *a lot*, looking forward to supporting her when she wrapped up the nomination on super tuesday.

2. Decided to cast my vote for Obama in the Potomac primaries (I'm from Virginia) but knew that I would still proudly work and vote for Clinton if she got the nomination.

3. Shocked and very uncomfortable when she said McCain would be a better commander in chief than Obama the week before Texas & Ohio.

4. Really angry when she outright said she was going to throw the kitchen at Obama and then did. Started feeling like Clinton didn't care if she caused a civil war within the Democratic party, that she would do and say anything to win.

5. Watched in horror as the Clinton campaign turned more ugly and scorched earth but still convinced myself that, even if she did somehow claw and kneecap her way to the nomination, I would have to vote for the sake of judicial nominations and the Iraq War.

6. Now, I simply can not vote for her if she steals the nomination away from Obama. After years of anger over what Karl Rove did to our politics and our country, I can not reward someone who is following the Rovian playbook word for word with my vote. Since Clinton doesn't have a snowballs chance in Virginia, I have the luxury of following my conscience. If I lived in a state she had a chance of winning, I would still be wrestling with this.

I do not believe she will get the nomination but I do believe she's divided the party terribly. Do I hate her? Right now, I'm too furious and worried about what she's doing to our party to understand how I feel about her personally.

[Window]

36. Well stated. That is almost the exact same path I traveled to get where I am on this.

Peace:thumbsup:

[Skidmore]

72. I have gone through some of the same phases as you and

pretty much feel the same way about her campaign and her willingness to use RW tactics rather than give the Democratic party a chance to change the nature of discourse in this nation and to put forth real solutions at this time when they are so desparately needed.

I too am very angry with her, and I have no desire to vote for someone who is willing to tear away at the fabric of the party in this manner.

[davidpdx]

30. I've gone from strongly disliking her to hating her

This primary just proves the Clinton's are only looking out for themselves. The race baiting, treating people like crap and elitist comment is just too much.

I voted for her husband twice (as did my mom) and have read both of their books. After she was elected to the US Senate, it became pretty obvious what her motive was. Her cozying up to RW mogul Rupert Murdoch and her vote for the Iraq War was the beginning of the end in terms of me supporting her.

Even my mom said on the phone that she has such great disdain for them now after the last few months of the campaign (and this coming from someone who pays attention to politics very little). I finally talked her into donating to Obama's campaign.

[Window]

39. Thank you. This thread will help me put together a time line of events on Hillary's

bad and/or deteriorating behavior during this campaign.

I'd also like a time line of her "gaffes" or outright lies.


Peace:thumbsup:

[Hepburn]

45. Same here....

...I used just dislike her. Now I truly hate her. In fact, after she loses this primary and has to run again for her Senate seat, if there is a Dem challenger to her, I plan to send his/her campaign a very large donation. I hope to hell that she just fucking disappears from politics totally.

[Hawaii Hiker]

33. I HATE John McCain, period..

He's a total phony whose been given a pass by the MSM...He goes around trying to project this "moderate" image but is actually a far right guy....

[Window]

51. Yeah, McWar is whack. If the MSM will only cover it, we'll have a lot of material to work with on

Gramps.


Peace:thumbsup:

[Chalco]

34. Who else besides me is sick of Obamatons? nt

[Alter Ego]

35. I dislike the way she's behaving

and I'm genuinely saddened that I've lost so much respect for not just her, but her husband as well.

But I can't hate her. I can't stand her supporters, however.

[Independent-Voter]

38. I've always thought Hillary was a bitter shrew, but hate is a waste of energy

[Window]

52. True that. It is a wasted emotion.

Peace:thumbsup:

[Voltaire]

42. I don't THINK I hate Hillary

But I do hate what she represents. The old time, DLC-style of triangulation that got us to this point in the first place. Every time I see her play the old gotcha games it makes me want to puke. I have, to this point, been able to separate the person from what the person represents. But it is getting more difficult to do so by the minute.

[Window]

53. I hear ya.

Peace:thumbsup:

[MirrorAshes]

43. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I have been an Obama supporter from the beginning, but I was never genuinely against the idea of Hillary as POTUS. But, as many have said, her campaign has taken what respect I did have for her and flushed it down the drain. That said, I don't hate her. I save my hate for the neo-con bastards who hijacked this country and got 4000+ soldiers killed while lining their pockets. THAT is something I can hate.

[Window]

60. Believe it or not, I was a Hillary supporter early on.

I have two nephews in Iraq. While I know *Bush would have into Iraq anyway, Hillary's vote for IWR eats at me, and yes, I hate those bastards with all my heart. I pray daily they will come home in one piece, and not in a box either.


Peace:thumbsup:

[MirrorAshes]

80. my thoughts are with you and your nephews

its important we keep in perspective who the real enemys are here. Hillary is a distraction from whats really going on. For that reason alone I just want her gone. And though I support him, if the roles were reversed I would wish the same of Obama. Its time for us to start aiming in the right direction.

all the best to you and your family :patriot:

[SoFlaJet]

48. I hate when she and her surrogates attack Obama

or any other true hearted democrat that isn't CURRENTLY supporting her. I hate the tactics not the person, because I may still have to vote for her if she's our nominee-which I WILL do.... if I have to...

[Window]

62. You've got it right.

McWar simply will not do.


Peace:thumbsup:

[not_too_L8]

49. I just like Obama more...n/t

[Butch350]

50. I am a O'Bama Supporter

But I have the Highest respect for Sen. Clinton - it's just that Barack is my man! Sorry HRC

[Beacool]

54. Do you hate Obama or simply have utter disdain for the fellow?

I'm in the latter category.

:shrug:

[uponit7771]

56. I don't hate her, my opinion of her is LOWERED greatly though especially after bittergate.

[Eurobabe]

57. Despise is more like it. n/t

[Window]

67. Despise is a much better word than hate.

Thanks.



Peace:thumbsup:

[Eurobabe]

69. I may throw hate around when I am pissed

but I don't hate many things, really, except *.

[Window]

78. LOL! I think we're all pretty much guilty of that.

Thanks.



Peace:thumbsup:

[GodlessBiker]

58. Neither. I just don't think she is the right person for the job now.

[smiley_glad_hands]

59. I don't hate or dislike her.

I just think she's misguided and hung around too many repugs in her life.

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. I don't trust her

[ShortnFiery]

68. Bingo! She's duplicitous and insincere. I have to reach for "grace," each day, to not dislike her.

:(

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. I really want to hate her, honest I do

But I don't have whatever it takes to care enough to despise her. But I do definitely mistrust her.

[BlueGirlRedState]

64. Sadly, I dislike her now

We started this primary season out with such a great slate of candidates, almost any of them would have made me proud to have as president. But as the campaign wore on, I found Hillary's negatives to be so -- disheartening -- and it does make me sad. I thought of the Clinton years as a wonderful period of our history -- all in all, although not perfect -- and at first I didn't think having Bill back was such a bad idea. But seeing Hillary's actions has truly saddened me. The sarcasm that she addresses Obama with, the fake outrage, and then the utter fawning when face to face at debates. Who is this woman? I don't hate her, but I wanted to like her and respect her, but I can't. Will I vote for her if she is nominee? I will, I'm a Democrat through and through, but it will bring me no joy.

[Skinner]

65. This reminds me of that line from "The Colbert Report"...

"George W. Bush: Great president or greatest president."

[cboy4]

76. LOL. That's a hysterical line.....the sad thing is those

writers are trying to be ridiculous.

[mod mom]

70. At first I disliked her policies, but I HATE LIARS! so I guess I've switched categories.

First her lies in Ohio over NAFTA< then her embellishments over the Irish Peace Plan and Schip but when Bosnia sniper fire hitWITH VIDEO TAPE PROVING SHE LIED)-she forced me over to the other side. I don't understand how supporters can trust what she is saying. Do they really want another LIAR IN CHIEF?

BTW, I lost all respect for her daughter Chelsea who was willing to back up her mother's lies. It must be a family trait.

[harun]

73. Neither dislike nor hate, just think Obama is much better (n/t)

[Arugula Latte]

74. Dear Hillary,

You made me haaaate yooooou
I didn't wanna do it
I didn't wanna do it ...

[Pisces]

75. Intense dislike, she is a liar and plays too dirty.

[Bensthename]

79. Varies from day to day. From pissed at the sniper for missing to extremely bitter

[LWolf]

81. Neither.

I don't support her campaign, but it's not personal.

[tishaLA]

82. I don't even dislike her. I just think she is a

depressing, cynical, and sometimes mendacious candidate