HOW DO DEMS EXPECT TO WIN AN ELECTION WITHOUT THE SO CALLED "LATTE LIBERAL"?

[redstate_democrat]

Ralph Nader is running for president. How in the hell does a Dem expect to win a presidential election without these so-called "latte liberals"? By the way, "latte liberal" seems to encompass anyone who isn't fooled by Hillary Clinton's lies. They also tend to be anyone who has the least bit of interest in education and intellectualism, but I digress. These so called "lunch bucket" salt of the earth people are a lot of times, Rethuglicans or Reagan Dems who have absolutely NO LOYALTY to the Democratic party. By throwing "latte liberals" under the bus, as Hillary has done, if she is the nominee, say hello to President McCain. If the Dems make the grave mistake of nominating Hillary, not only is she not getting a large percentage of the AA vote, she can kiss a lot of antiwar votes, and the so-called "latte liberal" vote AWAY. NOT GONNA HAPPEN AT ALL.

She is trying to pit the so-called "lunch bucket" Dems against THE REST OF THE PARTY. This is DANGEROUS for the party. She should be ashamed. She is purposefully distorting Obama's views and words so she can hold on just a little longer by the skin of her teeth. What does she expect to accomplish by any of this? She can't even get HALF of the Democrats support in a primary even with her name recognition and "inevitability". WHAT A JOKE. An upstart has basically removed her from front runner status. She is an extremely WEAK candidate.

By the way, FREEPERVILLE has invaded DU with all of these negative attacks on Obama. They aren't fooling anyone. They know OBAMA would OBLITERATE McCain in the GE so they are SCARED TO DEATH and are overplaying their hand. IT IS SO OBVIOUS. They are terrified of OBAMA. Not only are they afraid of his honesty, but his policies would work to really make change and they thrive off of the status quo. They want Americans to remain in a coma so they can continue to rob this country of its promise.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. A greatly reduced black vote, youth vote, and latte liberal vote...doesn't look good if Hillary

gets the nomination (in the 5% chance she does).

[leftofcool]

2. You can vote for McCain if you like

Nost AA people I have talked to will gladly vote for Hillary as the nominee as will the young people.

[redstate_democrat]

7. You are lying

I am an African American and EVERYONE I KNOW says there is NO WAY IN HELL Hillary will get their vote. Cynthia McKinney and Nader would be reasonable alternatives. DON'T FOOL YOURSELF. A lot of new AA voter registrations have been made possible simply for the chance to vote for Obama. Most AA have been extremely INSULTED by the Clinton campaign. NO WAY IN HELL DOES GET AA votes beyond maybe 20-30%. Obama is getting damn near 90% of the AA vote NOW. IF she manages to take this away from OBAMA, guess what, she will pay dearly for it. I can even see PROTESTS about it. Don't sleep on that.

[leftofcool]

12. More veiled threats?

[redstate_democrat]

14. What the hell are you talking about?

"Threat"?

[leftofcool]

15. What does this mean?

"IF she manages to take this away from OBAMA, guess what, she will pay dearly for it."

[redstate_democrat]

18. She won't get the support she needs to actually WIN the GE.

And then her political future is probably done for. She would never get another chance at it and Obama would be set for 2012. Get it?

[Kber]

8. "Gladly?" No.

But I'll keep reminding myself about the 2-3 supreme court nominees and do what I gotta do.

However, if she is elected, don't expect my loyal party support for the next 4 years. Any efforts I make will be at the purely local / state level.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. As a young person....

you're lying through your teeth.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. As a young person....

you're lying through your teeth.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. As a young person....

you're lying through your teeth.

[Buzz Clik]

24. I have 5 -- five! -- young voters (under 25) in the our house.

Obama has inspired and motivated all of them. We will try to get them to vote for Hillary if she wins, but only one sees the folly of not voting at all if she's the nominee.

[papau]

3. the latte liberal vote has never won anything in America other than primaries

[redstate_democrat]

17. The DEMS have NEVER WON AN ELECTION

without African American support and "latte liberals".

[asjr]

4. Well, another precinct heard from.

[Buzz Clik]

5. The Hillary campaign is not thinking past tomorrow's polling numbers.

On the flipside, we could consider the "scorched earth, let's get ready for 2012" theory: she is think waaaay beyond 2008 to 2012. She's given up on this year but wants to ensure that Obama cannot possibly win against McCain. She then guarantees herself a run in 2012 before she's too damned old.

This could explains Bill's continual sabatoge of her chances with his boneheaded comments.

[juno jones]

23. And if that's her strategy...

We obviously care more about those supreme appointments than she does.

Wake the fuck up people, she's only in this for herself and she'll throw all of us under the bus if it comes to it.

[Skinner]

6. Uh,

we need "latte liberals" and "lunch bucket" Dems. This party is a coalition.

[Kber]

9. And we don't need them at each others' throats

[redstate_democrat]

10. I understand that.

But to throw "latte libs" under the bus is a mistake. We all know that with a McCain campaign, we will not get a lot of these "lunch bucket" Dems to stay with the party. That is just a fact. We might as well try to maintain the rest of the party. She is going NUCLEAR for absolutely no reason. Hillary Clinton vs. McCain does not guarantee that these so called Lunch Bucket Dems will be more likely to stay with the party. We need to focus on the states that DEMS WIN (which happen to be the more LIBERAL STATES) and build the coalition between the more loyal base of the party.

[Zynx]

16. Indeed. Each large segment of the party is just as important as another for winning elections.

[WillyToad]

11. Last time Nader ran he got, what, 1% of the vote?

"Bushes third term"
"100 year Iraq war"

McCain is toast irregardless of your wishes

[redstate_democrat]

13. How many votes did Nader get in Florida in 2000?

Seriously? Nader can make or break several states this go around if Clinton is the nominee with her "latte liberal" hating self. DON'T FOOL YOURSELVES. If your assumptions were true, we wouldn't be having this debate about how "lunch bucket Dems" feel. "100 year war" etc, doesn't seem to bother SOME DEMS, (those who would vote for McCain over Obama if Hill is not the nominee, i.e. "lunch bucket Dems", so why would the reverse not also be TRUE???? Especially since there is an alternative to Clinton.

[juno jones]

22. There's a lot of 'lunch bucket' types who haven't voted in a GE in years

maybe ever, in the case of the younger ones. They are bitter that their votes have never counted for anything and since they have no 'moral' agenda to push and aren't into guns or any other 'one issue' bugaboo, they've been sitting home for a long time now. Just who do you think are the 50% plus of the population that doesn't vote? I work in a 'blue collar' enviroment and I'm seeing many of my co-workers (and others) getting excited about registering to vote for Obama. These are people no one is even counting because they haven't really been involved before. If Obama is nominated, I think they will come out of the woodwork, we'll be surprised at how many people are suddenly supporting and participating in the political process. I'm sure they'll more than make up the numbers of the hillary turncoats who would rather have McSame because they are so happy with the status quo.

If Hil gets the nod, we'll never know they even existed because they won't vote, once again stay home and bitch about how politics doesn't change anything.

[terrell9584]

25. Ok, I need to correct something

You are severely misinformed if you think a large portion of blacks are going to sit this election out over Hillary Clinton. The thing is, more important things get decided than a Presidency, for example, things that will have an effect on daily lives. Sheriffs, state legislatures, a few governors, all up for election this year.

Black voters know that if they don't show up, they will lose their political power. They know it. They know that failure to show up could mean white Republican sheriffs, who know they'll lose four years later and as such, won't give a damn about offending blacks and might even be tough on them just to use the office as a springboard. Black voters are not going to shoot themselves in the foot and forfeit what political power they have.

And for some reason, I don't think that "latte liberals" are going to vote for Nader when it means four years of McCain. I think a lesson was learned in 2000. The truth is, it's why Clinton is going negative. She knows that Obama's voters will still show up, and she believes that hers might not.