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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:58 AM
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Clinton Sees Herself on a Mission to Save Democrats from Themselves.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 12:04 PM by Emit
:eyes:

How elitist is that!?

She's letting the Republicans define this race for us, the people.

Clintonites are frustrated because they can't say in public what they think in private?

What is that 'code' for?

"What Clinton Wishes She Could Say" http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9564.html

In a nutshell, the "top targets" include: "Obama’s radioactive personal associations, his liberal ideology, his exotic life story, his coolly academic and elitist style..."

All the irrelevant, surface distractions Hillary has tried and failed to bring Obama down with and that have no merit in the big picture of the more important issues we face with our failing economy, cost of living, mortgage crisis, Iraq and the shredding of our Constitution, outsourcing, lossed jobs and health care, just to name just a few.

We are told that "blue-collar whites, Jews and Hispanics" won't vote for him ... that "many Jewish voters are itching for a reason to break with the party and side with Republicans, who have embraced the Israeli cause with passion."

We are warned of "...deep cultural divisions — and that’s in the Democratic Party."

Here's a subtle warning: "Those issues are all in-bounds. What about the issues that most journalists and probably McCain himself will consider out-of-bounds but that, if recent history is any guide, will echo nonetheless in the general election?"

What? Will McCain do what was done to him in 2000 and claim Obama fathered an illegitimate black child?

Sounds ominous, no? I mean, after all, "Polls show a significant percentage of Americans believe — falsely — that he is a Muslim."

He's an "exotic character of uncertain values and weak patriotism," prone to "...impromptu sociology lesson(s) in San Francisco..."

The frustration emanating from the Clintonites comes from being unable to say in public what they think in private. Little wonder why. Bill Clinton’s comments comparing Obama’s support in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s were certainly impolitic. But it’s absurd to contend, as many Democrats indignantly do, that they amounted to a shocking low blow or to “playing the race card.” The reaction underscored the essential prissiness of the Democratic contest so far. One can be sure the general election will not be such a delicate affair.


:wtf: Impolitic? Prissiness?

What is it exactly that Hillary is wanting to say? What is too exotic? That Obama is too black? Not white enough for middle America? Too Muslim? That, as Hillary supporters here love to (erroneously) say, Obama is a racist? An Anti-semite? His preacher is a racist? An Anti-semite? They're not Pro-Israel enough? They scare white America?

Forget the truth of the matter. God forbid that we support the truth and defend Obama in any truthful manner. It's all about perception, and lying and deceit, so truth and goodness matter not.

Forget that Obama is winning, that he has motivated thousands of voters to the polls. Forget that his grassroots campaign has proven to be one of the most effective and well-run campaigns in political history. Forget that Obama has proven time and again that he can handle the heat by, yikes, talking plain truth! Forget that Hillary has used Republican-style methods of triangulation, distraction and tired, conciliatory, 'Third Way', status quo politicking that may have worked well for Bill but comes off as pandering to every which crowd she comes into contact with. Forget that she can't counter Obama on her own merit, and has nothing to resort to but the same nasty techniques as the repugs. Forget that she has forged alliances with both Murdock and Melon Scaife, Kingmakers of the Vast Right Wing, in a desperate effort to defeat Obama because she has no other alternative.

Here's what I say to Hillary and her supporters who want so desperately to "say what they can't say in public":

Project much?

While you think you might be "saving" us, are you blind to what runs just beneath the surface of these veiled threats and innuendos of racism and prejudice?

And you have the audacity to call yourself Democrats?

You should all be ashamed.

Stop pandering to the Republican playbook.

Let's hash this out like real Democrats. Bring it on!










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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:01 PM
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1. Perhaps her early adult experience as "a Goldwater Girl" and "President" of College Republicans
has come to the surface. Her father was a flaming right winger. Some of us turn and remain at polar opposites with our upbringing, but others (HRC?!?) come back HOME, i.e., Southern Strategy and The Republican Party. :wow:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:00 PM
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6. It's a psy-op tactic of the DLC, of which both HRC and her husband are leaders
and like most psy-ops (of which you have more depth of understanding than I) the opposite may be the agenda-the division and neutralizing of The Democratic Party as an opposition political party from within.

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:14 PM
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7. 'neutralizing of The Democratic Party'
That part is key, bob, and it is so scary that Hillary supporters do not understand the Clintonian agenda
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:17 PM
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8. It's so obvious now, I'm so beyond bitter, Emit.
:hi: :patriot:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:54 PM
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11. Frustrating, ain't it?
Hey, bobthedrummer, thanks for all your work here at DU. I only wish more DUers would actually read the important stuff you and others post. :hi:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 AM
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33. Thanks, IMO, the Clintonian DLC has taken our party to the corporate right.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 10:15 AM by ShortnFiery
People such as Joe Lieberman and Harold Ford would be considered moderate republicans back in the 1970s. For example, notice how the corporate M$M and our party leadership treat Dennis Kucinich (a true Paul Wellstone type liberal)? The Liberals of the 1970s are now considered a Marxist Loons.

Yeah, God Damn FOX news! (sung to the tune of "God Damn The Pusher Man" :blush:)

Hopefully we can re-stock both parties with MANY MORE true Representatives (working FIRST for their constituents).

When times are "good to fair" you can successfully pull all sorts of Atwater/Rovarian tactics with moderate success. However, when the peasant classes are hurting and "paying attention" it's hard to continue to make the rich - richer off the backs of the middle and working classes.

Also, the blessing of YouTube helps get counter-messages out immediately in order to squelch most propaganda campaigns.

We'll see. Obama is not NEAR as liberal as I wish, but, IMO, he's our BEST "first step" chance at returning our Government to a Democratic Republic instead of what we have today, i.e., a dysfunctional right wing duopoly.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:25 PM
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14. It's like she's running as a third party candidate already
Shall we call it the Clintonian Party?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:06 PM
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2. It's a thankless job, but somebody has to do it.
She does work tirelessly for saving us to retake the White House, though.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:47 PM
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5. lol
I honestly can't tell if you forgot your sarcasm tag or whether you are serious. Either way, thanks for a good laugh.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:06 PM
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3. Baloney - this is how corpmedia protects the fascists - they areNEVER complicit or anti-democratic
they always 'firmly believe' they are doing the right thing by the country.

Yeah - 'right thing' for THE FASCIST AGENDA. THAT is what really goes UNSAID.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:08 PM
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4. Well, I can't disagree with that, blm
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:36 PM
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9. Kicking out of bitter frustration
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:54 PM
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10. kick
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:56 PM
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12. Bullseye. nt
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:00 PM
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13. How thoughtful from the self appointed queen of the party
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 07:00 PM by Upton
save us from ourselves? What a disgrace this woman is.
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biggerfishsmallpond Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:34 PM
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15. Thank you Hillary!
Luckily she is around to think for us.
Hillary, when the race is over I also need some advice on investment decisions, graduate school choices and if I should buy vs. lease a new car. I am also having trouble setting my VCR clock. I was late for work this morning too. So can I get a wake up call?


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:36 PM
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16. I see clinton as on a mission to
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 07:50 PM by zidzi
fubar everything in sight that stands in her damn way to the white house and can't wait for her finally to connect with her own petard.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:41 PM
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17. do you need a volunteer hoister?
:)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:51 PM
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18. There'll be plenty of
volunteers when this is Over! :)
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:57 PM
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19. She Pulls Some Kind Of Bullshit Every Time A Primary She's Supposed To Win Gets Close...
The M$M runs with it and the race continues. She still can't win.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:40 PM
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27. Thought you might be interested in these comments from Obama, as a comparison
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 11:41 PM by Emit
~snip~

Asked about the impact of the long nominating battle on the party's chances of winning the White House, he said, "I have tried to figure out how to show restraint and make sure that, during this primary contest, we're not damaging each other so badly that it's hard for us to run in November.

"Obviously, it's a little easier for me to say that, since, you know, I lead in delegates and states and popular vote."

Clinton "may not feel that she can afford to be so constrained," he said, adding at one point that she's "been deploying most of the arguments that the Republican Party will be using against me in November."

~snip~

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AP_MEETING_CANDIDATES?SITE=NEYOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

edit typo
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:09 PM
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20. We already have had nearly seven and hlaf years of a President...
Who felt that he or she was on some divinely-inspired mission.

It hasn't worked out well thus far, now has it?

I highly doubt that her missionary zeal is either appropriate or authentic.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:13 PM
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21. Messianic Pathology
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 08:20 PM by bvar22
This is just a poor rationalization for descending to the lowest level of Gutter Politics.

Hillary isn't doing it for herself.....she is sacrificing herself to Save the Party (from the stupid Democratic voters).

Note to Hillary:

Please Hillary,
Stop "saving" the Democratic Party.
We'll muddle through.
Go save the Republican Party. They NEED you.

Thanks,
A Loyal Naive Democrat



REQUEST:
Does anyone have a copy of that cartoon showing Hillary nailing herself to the cross with her weeping acolytes at her feet?
Please post it here.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:54 PM
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22. Not familiar with the cartoon you refer to, but if you or anyone finds it,
I'd like to see it.

I think it borders on narcissism, or at least it's starting to feel that way to me. Either that, or some deal was cut long ago that Obama interrupted, and I know that sounds nuts, too, but why else would she be behaving so desperately? The Bush Sr., Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton thing has bothered me for some time now. Could it be that obvious?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:55 PM
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23. I am sooooooooooo fucking sick of her!
:puke: Elitist PITA that she is!
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:13 PM
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24. Everyone who voted for Obama is an idiot who needs to be saved by Hillary
How fucking condescending is that?

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:25 PM
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26. Her arrogance
and that of her supporters is truly unbelievable.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:18 PM
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25. She's already bought the sparkly cape and crown & damned determined to wear them.
Soon she will wear them, alone in her dressing gown, stinko on bourbon neat, dancing around in front of the mirror to music only she can hear.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:06 AM
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28. Do you write fiction or only practice doing it here?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:24 AM
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29. I do sense that she feels she deserved this nomination
that's pretty damned audacious if you ask me
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:23 PM
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31. She's indignant that that inevitability thing didn't work out for her.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:39 AM
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30. kick
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:55 AM
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32. kick
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