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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:58 PM
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Lemme get this straight; After 7 years of Bushisms, Obama has 'committed political suicide'
With one poor choice of phrasing?!?

I'm sorry, I must have changed universes without realizing it, and now I'm in the one where we haven't had an idiot in charge who's every utterance has been an embarrassment of epic proportions.

Oh people Puh-LEEZE!!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:00 PM
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1. Clinton learned her lessons well. nt
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:01 PM
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2. the people out there are more stupid then you think
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 03:06 PM by acrosstheuniverse
HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK BUSH GOT AWAY WITH THIS SHIT FOR 8 YEARS???
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:02 PM
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3. No matter how hard they try to twist his words or creat an up-roar over
the smallest thing, they never succeed when it comes to Obama. The people have chosen and will not be swayed. "Not this time" will the media choose our candidate.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:02 PM
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4. LOL. this attack is so ridiculous - it's comedy gold!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:04 PM
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5. It is so so so so SO much more a problem than Hillary's backing the White House lies
about Iraq being a threat!

Don't you see how this could cripple us in the GE?

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:05 PM
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6. It truly boggles the mind.




Peace:thumbsup:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:05 PM
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7. Obama must be perfect
Don't you understand? If it turns out that he is a human being and makes mistakes from time to time how could you ever think about voting for him?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:06 PM
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8. Hell, after months of Hillary's lies, she has the mendacity to spin his words....
...to suit her filthy political needs?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:37 PM
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15. What bugs me is how much the M$M is jumping all over this.
It's just amazing that they can treat this as equivalent to Clinton's failings.

I'm sure that it's merely the M$M looking for parity that isn't there just to make sure their 'servicing' a wider audience, but it's just laughable.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:09 PM
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9. This is such B.S. He can *recover* from this ...
Obama was only noting what is CURRENTLY true in this country. He wasn't being
an elitist; he was being EMPATHETIC. His description of the economic conditions
in these small towns was a more eloquent version of Bill C's famous "I feel your
pain" comment(s).

All Obama has to do is work this into his stump speech: We need to work toward
an America where you can pray for your family's spiritual and emotional welfare
but you don't HAVE to pray for a job or for food to feed your family, because our
economy is working for all of us and there are plenty of job opportunites. Prayer
is a way of sustaining one's spirit, but it should NOT be a government policy in
hard times -- government has certain responsibilities, and it needs to fulfill
them. When something like Hurricane Katrina occurs, citizens should not be left
ONLY to pray for miracles; they should be able to rely on their government to
provide certain tangible assistance.

We also need to work toward an America where citizens are free to own rifles
for hunting, but don't NEED guns to protect themselves or their property,
because we have adequate police protection to ensure everyone's safety.

We also need to work toward an America where people are free to associate with
those of their own kind -- and to safeguard their ethnic heritage -- but where
people are not AFRAID of those who may not be like them, or resentful that those
people may be taking opportunities that they feel are rightfully theirs.

We also need to face the truth -- something this administration has done its best
NOT to do for the past 8 years. There IS disappointment out there; there IS hard-
ship and there IS, yes, bitterness. No amount of "positive thinking" can change
what that truth. If we have any hope of changing this reality, we need at first
to admit that there are problems. Don't kill the messenger just because Obama
had the COURAGE to tell people what's REALLY going on out in the heartland.

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:46 PM
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16. Well put.
He could easily get his message across. It's a good opportunity.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:15 PM
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20. Well said (mostly).
All Obama has to do is work this into his stump speech: We need to work toward
an America where you can pray for your family's spiritual and emotional welfare
but you don't HAVE to pray for a job or for food to feed your family, because our
economy is working for all of us and there are plenty of job opportunites. Prayer
is a way of sustaining one's spirit, but it should NOT be a government policy in
hard times -- government has certain responsibilities, and it needs to fulfill
them. When something like Hurricane Katrina occurs, citizens should not be left
ONLY to pray for miracles; they should be able to rely on their government to
provide certain tangible assistance.

Well said.

We also need to work toward an America where citizens are free to own rifles
for hunting, but don't NEED guns to protect themselves or their property,
because we have adequate police protection to ensure everyone's safety.

Quibble here. Only 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners is a hunter. The gun issue is primarily about the lawful ownership of nonhunting guns, not hunting guns (see November 1994 for how the ban-nonhunting-guns message plays in Middle America).

Agree with the sentiment, though.

We also need to work toward an America where people are free to associate with
those of their own kind -- and to safeguard their ethnic heritage -- but where
people are not AFRAID of those who may not be like them, or resentful that those
people may be taking opportunities that they feel are rightfully theirs.

Well said.

We also need to face the truth -- something this administration has done its best
NOT to do for the past 8 years. There IS disappointment out there; there IS hard-
ship and there IS, yes, bitterness. No amount of "positive thinking" can change
what that truth. If we have any hope of changing this reality, we need at first
to admit that there are problems. Don't kill the messenger just because Obama
had the COURAGE to tell people what's REALLY going on out in the heartland.

Spot on.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:15 PM
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10. well the M$M helped to elect that idiot
by manufacturing "scandals" for the Democratic nominee - Love Story, Love Canal, earth tones, Naomi Wolf, sighs, James Lee Witt, etc. They write stories that fit a script - a script that enables their corporate masters, and rich friends/sponsors to continue their profitable activities. A script that says Democrats are liars, or elitists, or rabble rousers. In fact, they usually use ad hoc bashing until they find a theme that sticks.

They love nothing better than running a 24/7 bash fest of a Democratic leader. Hillary is trying to help them too, for her own benefit, or perhaps in her universe we will all be better off if the M$M forces her repulsive self onto the Democratic ticket. (Yes, yes, I know the media has been pumping up Obama while Chris Matthews calls Hillary names, but they also did a lot of promoting of her 'inevitability' and Brian Williams and Katie Couric and company were both very kind to her on numerous occasions.)
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:23 PM
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11. Exactly. Tempest in a teapot; red herring; looky looky, pay no
attention to the truth behind the statement...pay attention to the label we give it. Pay attention to the spin. Ignore that nasty ol' TRUTH.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:26 PM
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12. K&R. This shows exactly how far off the deep end the Hill-Shrills have become.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 03:26 PM by backscatter712
Obama says one thing, that happens to be a true thing, in a way that can be misinterpreted as an insult if you twist it and take it out of context, and all of the sudden, everybody's shrieking about how he's torpedoed his campaign. Utter bupkis.

Meanwhile, Bush regularly says things like "Is our children learning?", "Childrens do learn" or "Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their ... love with women all across the country.", yet the media and the corporatists give him a pass.

EARTH TO CLINTONISTAS!!! COME BACK FROM PLANET MARS!!!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:28 PM
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13. K & R
:thumbsup:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:33 PM
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14. I don't get it - he said voters are "bitter" and this is, what, inaccurate?
It's perfect phrasing. If you're not bitter, you're brain dead or Republican - but I repeat myself.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:47 PM
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17. I like the way you put that.
"You're brain dead or Republican - but I repeat myself."

Who was it here that suggested printing out bumper stickers that said "There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers."?
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:49 PM
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26. "Millionaires and Suckers" - great description.
It's just so bizarre that our debate has sunk so low that the more honest a statement is ("voters are bitter" or "America has screwed its African-Americans"), the more our shameless corporate media will attack it.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:47 PM
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18. If Snipergate didn't kill Clinton this won't hurt him.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:09 PM
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19. Are any of Obama's comments worse than this?
“Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere ... nope, no weapons over there ... maybe under here?”
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Blomst Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:33 PM
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21. It Will Work Out
Hillary's campaign has carefully planned this manufactured outrage over Obama's remarks. I am convinced that she planned to spring the "bitter" recording on the public just before the primaries, so that Obama had no chance to explain himself or turn the tide which he always does with a little time and preparation.

Well, the whole sniper disaster and the Colombia scandal had to be covered up before they completely derailed her campaign.

The timing of this latest manufactured scandal is wrong for her, though, and that is going to be a huge disadvantage to her.

She counted on the Wright scandal ending Obama's campaign, as well as the "typical white person" statement, and the "throwing grandmother under the bus" and the "being punished with a baby" statement. But Obama always finds a way to turn things around with eloquence and wisdom while she makes a fool of herself overdoing her "outrage."

Meanwhile, she has turned off countless people who have become more and more entrenched in their resistance to her tactics and her destructiveness.

In her desperation, she is showing her true colors.

She has lost control of the game, since, now Obama has time to retrieve his momentum like he always does.

After eight years of Bush, many people have wisened up. They will not let themselves be fooled as easily as in the past. Enough people will see through Hillary's dishonest Republican tactics and make the right choice. They will know that we can't afford the risk of another four to eight years of disaster for the country which is our inevitable and shared fate under another Clinton presidency.

THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. EVER! It is an expensive lesson to learn. I hope that the American people have embraced that lesson by now.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:36 PM
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22. Thank you..I like seeing positiveness
about this manufactured brouhaha..like the OP's!

Thanks, Doc.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:37 PM
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23. Oh
And he went to a party with Rezko.

He's *totally* fallen on the sword.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:38 PM
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24. You hit that one right on the nose!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:53 PM
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25. how about after a year of idiotic statements, including out right lies, from the Clinton
campaign. . .


This has a lot more to do with the 'elitist' tag bringing out the 'uppity' factor.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:52 PM
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27. well said doc... my feelings exactly..esp since Obama is the 1st one to apologize if he hurt someone
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:02 PM
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28. Only in the minds of the f'ing MSM!! BIG MONEY MEDIA!!!!
We know where their interests lie. moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoney They areso transparently fake about their "coverage" and "news" that is sickening. I barely watch anymore, save for a little KO, Rachel, or Cafferty.
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