Oh. My. God. New Hillary Clinton Ad on Bittergate

[woolldog]

Wow. She's trash.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/#24115516

(please rec if you agree with me that HRC sucks)

[Mz Pip]

1. There are no words

Well there are. I just can't post them. :puke:

[tblue]

97. Who is she, really?

I am so done with Hillary. And I used to defend the Clintons against every assault. Not no more.

[People4Change]

533. Hillary "ducks" question about last time she went duck hunting

I agree. I too am done with the Clintons. If I had access to the Internet back then & all the info I have access to now, I would never have voted for Bill Clinton for president either.

Yesterday on CNN a reporter asked Hillary when was the last time she had attended church and when was the last time she'd gone duck hunting or shot a gun. Hillary responded the questions were "irrelevant."

Obviously we have another Bosnian moment in the making but the mainstream reporter failed to push for answers.

Hillary just doesn't get it - in this age of the Internet, you cannot tell fictional stories as truth and expect the corporate media to cover for you once the Internet bloggers grab hold of the stories.

My main fear is that Hillary & Bill realize she cannot mathematically score enough delegates to gain the nomination so she will do one of 2 things:
1) keep attacking Obama in the hopes of destroying him in the eyes of the super delegates to gain the nomination
or
2) keep attacking Obama in the hopes of destroying his chance of getting elected in November so she can try again in 4 years.

It's amazing that the Democrats had the ability to take back the White House this year and is letting it blow up in their faces because of one narcissistic, egomaniac named Hillary Clinton.

:argh:

[BearSquirrel2]

534. That was bad ...

That was another one of her "freaking out" to a question moments.

[awaysidetraveler]

591. No, what's bad is Hardball's blowjobbing McCain with "He doesn't support torture."

When, of course, ABC recognizes he already has.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/did-mccain-flip.html

Now naturally, one might just say that the CIA doesn't ever support torture,
though there are facts that run contrary to that idea.

By now there is evidence that they do in a number of countries, beginning in Iraq,
and continuing through El Salvador, Nicaragua, Laos, Iran, Vietnam, Cambodia,
and a number of others as well....

If anyone would care to add a country or two, please feel free.

Of course, even if the CIA had never tortured or advocated torture,
what exactly would be wrong with demanding that they never torture anyone in the future?

What exactly is wrong with demanding that our government never torture anyone?

Or maybe there's a better question: Why are "Hardball's" balls so hard that they need to advocate torture?

[Kurovski]

122. I'll do it...

She's a political whore. A fucking political whore who will do anything for that pay off.

[Hepburn]

134. Exactly....

...I hate that BITCH! :grr:

[Laurab]

192. How can you say that?

I thought that was a very effective republican ad!!!

[Kurovski]

240. Freeper sell-out!

:hug: :rofl:

Yes, I'm sure Cheney is muttering "Egg-cellent" while tenting his fingers, or touching himself, or engaging in some other ritualistic freakishness to express his admiration for the Senator.

[Laurab]

383. I was going to disagree, but I can't.

I think Cheney only touches himself when it involves violence, killing, and big money for him, but it would appear the senator is trying to help him continue on his path.

If it's at all possible, she irritates me more than bush does, and the fact is, that is a PERFECT republican ad. I think she should just get it over with - switch parties, be McCain's VP, and get slaughtered (not literally, of course), in the GE.

Sure YOU can laugh - she's not YOUR senator!!

:loveya:

[Kurovski]

388. I'm so sorry.

:-(

[Laurab]

385. Oh, I forgot one thing....

You're cute when you're mad! :hug:

[Kurovski]

389. Oh, I'm a regular Shirley Temple

F-word and all.

[Laurab]

390. Oh, I can be, too, but I saw yours first

and that calmed me down.

If ever the F-word was called for, I think it was right fucking after seeing that fucking ad!

:mad:

[NikolaC]

438. Eww

Spare me the visual please :puke: .

[Kurovski]

528. Too late for that now!

:kick: :-)

[NikolaC]

531. lol

True :).

[DeeDeeNY]

460. Yes! Montgomery Burns from the Simpsons

[hisownpetard]

235. I find you very attractive. Could you please say that again?

[Kurovski]

247. Sen. Clinton: political whore.

Business hours until 3:00 AM, from what I understand.

Will work corporate events, too.

[hisownpetard]

334. How about private ones?

[Kurovski]

348. I don't think they matter if they're not a corporation.

Small donors just get lip-service.

[samsingh]

397. Randi was right

[Kurovski]

400. I'm afraid so.

However, the language apparently wasn't quite ugly enough to describe the Clinton campaign in complete detail.

[samsingh]

510. the clinton's have become worse

and we defended them during the lewinsky crap, without which Gore would not have had the election stolen away from him.

[Kurovski]

527. I think the Gore theft is perhaps more complex than that.

There are many factors. Including a Gore campaign that was mired in "trying to appear" to be many different things. Gore didn't really take off until he was fully himself.

I have this idea that this is why Obama is such a phenomenon. He is actually speaking from his deepest beliefs. Young people respond well to that every time. And I do mean Every time.

Us old shitheads are used to the phony political crap, but more have come to reject it. It's a new era. Sen.Clinton would have done much better in her bid in the last century.

[samsingh]

567. absolutely right - but given the small margin of votes bush

claimed he won by, every little factor counts.

[Kurovski]

571. And even with that, the newspaper consortium re-count revealed

that Gore won when the votes were counted in Florida.

It was The popular vote nation-wide that already had Gore ahead with over 500,000 votes. America did not ask for any of this.

No wonder we're so bitter.

[Mz Pip]

341. I think

I love you. :loveya:

[Kurovski]

353. Love is beautiful.

I think we should both send some love to foul-mouthed freedom-fighter, Randi Rhodes for this.

And thank you for crocheting the revolution! I love that comment, too. :-)

[Mz Pip]

369. I think I'm

running out of yarn. It's been a long project.

[PoliticalAmazon]

345. IMO, she is trying to ensure, since she can't win, that McCain will win....

...Because if Obama gains the White House, the Clintons' new-found Elite status, chumming around with the Bushes and all, will come to a screaching halt.

The Elites want to maintain control of the White House so they can continue to ensure that, like the Clintons, their political power can be sold to the highest bidder AND they can continue to loot the country's coffers.

Hillary has clearly lost the primary, so she is desperate to make sure McCain wins.

That's how I see it. I can't see the patterns coming out any other way.

[Kurovski]

359. It appears that way.

She's playing her part, she's turning them tricks.

As DUer autorank says, it's not Republican or Democratic, it's the "Money Party" some of these people belong to.

[Bensthename]

2. My respect for her has dropped to 0%..

And she thinks if she wins this way she will get ANY Obama supporters?

[woolldog]

9. I firmly believe that she is the democratic version of Richard Nixon.

[Texas Hill Country]

23. funny. i am starting to feel that sort of thing towards obama...

[CreekDog]

42. based on what?

?

[KAZ]

57. Because a noob that does 1500 posts in their 1st month told you.

[Fearless]

Hmm... I've been around for almost two years and have less than that... hmm...

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

323. Going on 4 years here

And haven't broken that 1000 mark yet!

[FatDave]

423. Took me 3-and-a-half to hit 1000.

Just a couple weeks ago.

[lutefisk]

542. Ha! It took me over 6 years to hit 1000. You speed demon, you!...n/t

[dionysus]

165. ROFL....ZING...

one sentence, yet sooo apt :)

[Leftist Agitator]

297. Alright, I never do this, but...

:rofl:

In fact, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Spot on.

Pffft! And they call me a newb...

Again,

:rofl:

[sansatman]

384. Sooo...when does one achieve person hood on DU?

I can reply to posts and be a voyeur but it is a bit limiting.

[beezlebum]

508. after the third trimester,

at birth.

not much longer. welcome to du.

[mod mom]

536. Welcome to DU sansatman. Love your Smedley Butler quote.

[berni_mccoy]

446. LOL!

[smiley_glad_hands]

111. I'm sure alot of republicans are. eom

[Hepburn]

115. When are you going to come out of your cloud of Hillary love?

:puke:

[Mags]

164. Hepburn, you have been brainwashed by the Obama fever. Come on wake up.

[dionysus]

169. okay... how can you spin the clinton's perpetual lying and GOP tactics? seriously

[Hepburn]

178. I guess you cannot read AND comprehend, can you?

How often have I said that I have always disliked Hillary? Like maybe a 100 times I have said this on the DU.

That was loooooooooong before she ever decided to run for POTUS that I came to intensely dislike her and that was well before I ever heard of Obama. Guess that is hard for you to understand that it has NOTHING to do with Obama that I am totally against her and have always been and that Hillary is simply a very unlikable jackass.

Did not take me long to see through her. What's your excuse?

[Mags]

181. I respect her and think she is by far a more experienced person the

BO , he is just a one time wonder.

[Hepburn]

197. How in the hell can you respect someone like her?

She would lie if the truth served her better. :puke:

[Mags]

201. why are you and the Obama folks so bitter? Guess you are one of the

small town folk that he talks about. I respect her because she has been very loyal to our party, she has worked for health care for everyone, she has worked with the other side to bring about change, she has worked wor women's rights, she has put up with the shit that you and yours have thrown at her and she is still standing.

[Hepburn]

211. BECAUSE....

...SHE IS FUCKING DESTROYING THE CHANCES WE HAD TO WIN THE WH IN NOVEMBER.

What is it about that you cannot understand? She is LOYAL??? Only to herself.


And I am a small town person? GMAFB...I am a retired trial attorney from Los Angeles, CA, who now lives in Palos Verdes.

Gawd...you are impossible...and clueless. Welcome to my INGORE list!

[Name removed]

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[shellgame26]

303. blinded?

Honestly, how do you sleep at night supporting a person who would lie so easily about being under sniper fire? And that's just her most ridiculous lie. Imagine if it had been Obama who had done that? Blinded you say? Looks like you've been wearing those blinders for way too long.

[Ztarbod]

398. Sniper fire wasn't her most ridiculous lie

The most ridiculous was that it was too dangerous for Bill to go, so he sent his wife and daughter. Oh, that was part of the same lie, so I guess you were correct.

[stillrockin]

470. Put down the kool-aid.

[Mags]

238. I believe your Scottie has taken over.

[guruoo]

284. You guys played GOP style hardball, now she's playing hardball in return n/t

[Kurovski]

299. Clintaphasia.

Patients are to be found in GDP ward.

[cui bono]

324. How exactly has she been loyal to her party?

I guess you don't follow the primaries then? And you couldn't have seen the ad this thread is about.

[Politicalboi]

410. Yes the health care

She fought so hard to pass went bye bye when she took money from the insurance compaines to go away. And she is working with the other side right now in her campaign. Us Obama folk understand what Obama said and meant.

[Epiphany4z]

468. I liked Hillary way more

before all this election stuff...my opinion of her has drooped lower the longer she goes on.

The thing is nothing ...zip...zilch ...zero..nothing Obama's camp has said about Hillary changed my opinion of her. I liked her. I wanted Obama to win but was happy to have Hillary if it worked out that way.

Then her campaign took on a Bush like feeling. The Misspeak,The fake outrage just felt all to familiar. When she said stupid things like say Obama was not a Muslim .......as far as she knew...it just wreaked of the slime that has been the Bush legacy.

Hillary is the only one who has changed my opinion of Hillary..and its sad ..because I think she may have done irreparable damage to herself.

[9119495]

506. You just summed it up for me perfectly...

I always thought she was unfairly maligned, but this campaign makes me think I had blinders on. Obama did not talk about how she lied about Sniper fire, but then she uses mock outrage to sting him so she can gain points. I have judged her entirely on her actions (okay and those of her husband too) and realized she is horrible.

[jettison]

497. loyalty

"she has been very loyal to our party"

She has been torching and smearing the democratic nominee for the Presidecy. How is that "loyalty" in your world? Her behavior has been disgusting.

[sellitman]

551. She voted to give smirky his war powers.

When she did that she disqualified herself from getting my vote for President in the Primary.

Period.

End of story.

[KAZ]

205. This one is just trying to pollute the top of the thread.

[Hepburn]

254. Thanks for the heads up....

...figures that some Hillbot would be up to something not too terribly honest. Sorry I suckered for her bullshit.

[roesch]

475. The Clintons have lost us

After seeing this ad, I have lost what respect I had left for the Clintons. If she is on the ticket, I vote third party.

[dchill]

207. IMO, you are an excellent judge of character...

and so am I. :)

[Hepburn]

267. I do totally agree!

:cheers:

[jpertello]

259. you just said everything I feel about Hillary

I hate that woman. Every time I see her speak I watch her face. Her cold calculating eyes. The way she watches the audience for reaction. Nothing is ever from the heart (what heart?). She says the most evil lies and with a straight face. She'll say and do anything to get in the White House. Including destroying her own party and the person who will get the nomination.
If she were campaigning near a stripper bar she'd probably do a pole dance.
Butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. Ice Queen.

[Hepburn]

263. Welcome to the DU!

:hi: Does my old heart good to see that so many see through Hillary!

[Cha]

349. Hmmm..yes, I see you have

hilary's number and that wouldn't be pretty pandering down the pole bar!

[mkultra]

486. one of the candidates continues to do lowdown things

And you support that one candidate. Someone is in a cloud.

[cui bono]

322. That is some honeymoon they're on. n/t

[movonne]

177. You just don't get it...she is not good for our party...I just don't

understand how you can defend her...ths only thing I can think is you are not a dem...because you will not be voting for one...

[yardwork]

185. I know. You don't like Reverend Wright. You've told us over and over

and over and over and over...

[Raine]

161. She's worse

she's delibrately trying to destroying a Democratic candidate and in the process the party.

[Enthusiast]

434. This has been especially tough on me.

During the 1990s I defended the Clintons to the death. I didn't talk with my best friend for several years because he thought the persecution of the Clintons was just wonderful. Now, my 89 year old mother loves Hillary. I can't for my life understand her thinking. She will no longer even mention Hillary because she knows I will blow up. Isn't it sad when it gets to the point where you will yell at your 89 year old mother. Geesh. This is effecting my health.

[Clintonista2]

443. Seek help.

[Qanisqineq]

447. that is bad

at least it's not affecting your health.

[LostinVA]

449. If you can't handle politics without yelling at your 89-year-old mother, you need to step away

for a bit.

It's not healthy for you, and it's DEFINITELY not healthy for her. You're an adult, you should be able to handle differences without blowing up on an elderly woman. What's sad is you can't handle that. I don't think politics really have anything to do with it. It's a maturity thing on your part.

[Kurovski]

550. Speaking of maturity, I have a question...

If I happen to give myself the nickname "Mr. Homo", what exactly happens? Do I get a ticket? A stern reprimand? What?

[LostinVA]

553. What the fuck?

[Kurovski]

556. What does your "Official Gay police" insignia mean?

:D Are you really an openly gay officer in Virginia? That would be cool.

As a gay man, I'd like to know if there are any laws I'm unaware of.

[LostinVA]

563. About a year ago, a homophobe went off on a rant about "The Gay Police" calling him on his bigotry

And my avatar was born.

My actual job is very far from being a police officer, and I now live in NJ, because I could get married here.

[Kurovski]

581. Thank you for the info.

I attended such a marriage there a few years back.

[Enthusiast]

552. Just what I would expect from a Hillary supporter

There are thousands of us that USED to support the Clintons. Wonder why we changed? Why not give it some consideration?

[LostinVA]

554. I would say that same thing if you were a Hillary supporter and she was an Obama supporter

Losing it on 89-year-old women is not cool ever. No matter what the topic.

[Enthusiast]

565. And why do you suppose that was my point of emphasis?

[LostinVA]

566. Oh brother

[LulaMay]

569. I would report you for elder abuse. You cannot yell at and abuse an 89 yr old woman.

[Enthusiast]

586. LulaMay, it wasn't anything like abuse. nt

I was yelling that I could never support a goddamn bitch like Hillary after the lies and disinformation she spews. She uses Republican talking points and this is why her negatives are rising. She is a traitor to my party. My mother understood, but still. I prefer to speak softly around the elderly unless they have a hearing problem.

[LulaMay]

568. You 'BLOW UP' at your 89 YR. OLD GRANDMOTHER? Complain about YOUR HEALTH? Sounds like elder abuse

to me.

Why don't you leave your poor grandma alone, and let her support who she wants.


Did it ever occur to you that she may want to see a smart and capable woman become president before she dies?


You sound like a very selfish, arrogant and frankly mean man to treat your grandma like this.

[Enthusiast]

587. You have it all wrong LulaMay...........

She is my mother, not my grandmother. My wife is laughing as I read her this post. I was yelling that I could never support a goddamn bitch like Hillary after the lies and disinformation she spews. She uses Republican talking points and this is why her negatives are rising. She is a traitor to my party. My mother understood, but still. I prefer to speak softly around the elderly unless they have a hearing problem.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

574. You "blow up" at your 89 year old grandmother who loves Sen. Clinton. And you worry about YOUR

health?

My heart goes out to her. :cry:

[lachattefolle]

576. My husband fervently supported Kerry in 2004 and

his 70 year old mother was for Bush and yet HE managed to still respect and love her.
You need to take a deep breath and remember it's just politics and at least your mother is supporting a Democrat.
If your attitude is affecting YOUR health, what do you suppose its doing to your poor mother?

[Enthusiast]

588. My mother loves and understands me.

She knows I lose my temper when it comes to ignorance.

[DearAbby]

3. Burning bridges....n/t

[tblue]

98. Yes, that's exactly what Hillary is doing.

[meow mix]

4. Mccain/Hillary 2008

shes supporting mccain already.

[understandinglife]

136. Actually, she's shooting (quack, quack) for Hillary/McShame 08 ....

.... the Bush/Clinton oligarchy, their neoconster and DLCer buddies, and all their ilk are clearly getting really, really aware and afraid that a monster house-cleaning is gonna happen come January, 2009.

Peace,
Bob

[Cleita]

234. Good. I hope she teams up with McCain.

Then I don't have to vote for her in November.

[earthside]

380. McCain - Clinton 2008

[WillyT]

5. Recommend It Folks !!! - Even Though Ya Hate It, It Has To Be Seen For What It Is !!!

:kick:

:mad:

[Hepburn]

43. Oh, but the Hill Hounds just love it...

...and all I can do is thank them for Prez McCain! :grr:

[WillyT]

66. I'm Counting On Democratic Revulsion, But You May Be Right In The Long Run

:shrug:

[grantcart]

6. ...

[JustinL]

431. ...

:puke:

[KAZ]

7. ..

[madrchsod]

8. really sad.....

[americanstranger]

10. Wow. That's just awful.

Her advisors thought that was a good idea? Holy fuck, they're stupid.

She's become a very small, very sad person for 'approving' that message.

But the logical next question is - does she have the money to run it, or is she depending upon web sites to play it for her?

- as

[woolldog]

59. She doesn't even give people a reason to vote for her.

It's purely a negative ad against Obama.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

368. No.

She understands the people of Pennsylvainia! Really!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

371. Oddly true typo!

[canadian_is_cold]

11. It is official. Any respect I had for Clinton is gone. n/t

[tokenlib]

12. She is in Kamikaze mode....

Wednesday night they're going to want to kill each other... And Barack will do all he can to stay on the high road..

[Tatiana]

13. I wonder what the Super Dees are going to think of this ad. n/t

[KAZ]

16. Yes, I'd like to know. I can't even begin to post my feelings.

[Zachstar]

84. Hopefully outrage at this Pro-McCain ad!

[CoffeeCat]

14. She's a shameless...

piece of frog poop at the bottom of a New Jersey scum swamp.

[democrattotheend]

95. Hey, leave New Jersey out of this!

I grew up in New Jersey and I am insulted by your comparison of my home state to Hillary Clinton.

[Leftist Agitator]

328. NJ reminds me of WV...

Both states kick ass, but a vocal contingent (10% or so) of assholes who hail from WV and/or NJ ruin it for the rest of us.

Hey, living in Morgantown, I run into a ton of people from NJ. And I must say, most of them are really cool, and one or two I count among the coolest people I know.

I call for solidarity between those of us who hail from states of ill-repute, deserved or otherwise. Including Texans.

:)

[City Lights]

15. K&R 'cause Hill sucks. nt

[azmouse]

17. She's circling the drain of her kitchen sink.

[WillyT]

157. Oooo... VERY Nicely Said !!!

:yourock:

[TahitiNut]

189. I think it's another houshold porcelain fixture, actually.

[azmouse]

196. LOL

I wish someone would flush and put her out of her (and our) misery.

[Coexist]

18. call me a hillary hater.

cuz right now, I do.

[KAZ]

22. I came to that conclusion yesterday. It's now reaffirmed.

[WillyToad]

394. Obama support = hate

This hate will go mainstream come September/October and will most likely sink him in the general.

Judging by the pure hatred that Obama support has devolved into I am convinced that His supporters will lose the election for him.

[Hepburn]

407. IGNORE is our friend...

...click.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

440. thank you. I will follow suit

[FatDave]

424. Hillary has earned every ounce of utter disdain I now feel for her.

I used to just think she was a spineless, calculating, DLC corporatist. Now I know she is much worse. I fear that she may, quite literally, be a republican.

[GoneOffShore]

463. Name suits you

Is that you William Jefferson Clinton?

And Buh-bye

:hi:

[Zachstar]

88. Joining the Club As Clinton is no longer a Democrat in my eyes.

This ad is nothing but pro McCain BULLSHIT!! from Clinton

For her to sign off on this sickening ad to be aired at a time when McCain is gaining ground on both candidates is beyond politics. It is an outrage.


Not only am I against her for President but I want her voted out of her Senate seat as soon as possible. I will be rooting for her competitor in the Primary when that time comes.

[IsItJustMe]

387. Basically a pro-choice Republican. Sad, but true never the less.

[Bensthename]

19. This is so horrible it could back fire on her. This really shows her true colors.

[Zachstar]

92. This is not just going to backfire on her. It is going to fucking backfire on the democratic party!

Seriously this is going to harm us overall!

[Bensthename]

119. Yes, and that is whyevery one is so pissed.. She is doing her best to get McCain elected.

[Zachstar]

139. Well let us hope the supers and the big leaders in the party take action.

The ball is in their court now. They have more than enough evidence that Clinton is not running a campaign that is in the benefit of the democratic party and they have more than enough margin to come out in support of Obama.

Also I wonder what Edwards is thinking.

[JohnnyCougar]

20. That's simply sick.

I can't believe anyone respects this lady anymore. I just can't.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. LOL!

You guys are getting more and more insane by the day.

He fucked up. Of COURSE she's going to use it! Is this your first election?

[QC]

31. It sounds that way, doesn't it?

And let's not forget that it's also their candidate's first real election: running against Alan Keyes doesn't really count, to say nothing of suing all the other candidates off the ballot.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

373. Lazio and Spencer.

:rofl:

[FatDave]

425. Exactly.

As first "real" campaigns go, look who's having the most trouble.

[Hepburn]

48. No....you don't get it.

She fucked up by trying to call him out on the telling the truth.

She truly is scum...:puke:

Edit for typo.

[woolldog]

79. and using Right-wing talking points in the process

I don't know where Hillary ends and the Right Wing smear machine begins anymore.

[Kurovski]

135. Let's ask Karl Rove.

Who better to know than that fucking whore of all political whores?

[knixphan]

266. me neither.

[LittleClarkie]

Indeed. After all, no Hillary supporter has EVER had a hairy cat fit when Hillary fucked up

and Obama used it.

Meanwhile, part of the outrage appears to be coming from the opinion by some that he didn't fuck up, but merely spoke an inconvenient truth, something I rather like about the man. It is not a fuck up when he tells people what they don't what to hear. I find it refreshing to have someone not playing politics as usual.

[Usrename]

94. Why do you think she changed what he said?

Do you think she is a liar for saying that he said something that he never said?

Just wondering if you think it's OK for her to truncate the quote the way she did. Or does that make her a liar?

[sudopod]

153. PROTIP

There's no rule that says you must be on maximum asshole 100% of the time to run a campaign.

[dionysus]

174. your candidate is swimming in the sewer, and you applaud this?!?!?!

keep posting more hits, please do

[earthlover]

236. Hillary fucked up on Sniper Gate....and I recall Obama did not make a big deal of it....

That's because Obama has class. This ad helps only one person: McCain.

There was a time when I supported on this board Hillary for VP. No more. At this time, I would not support her for anything. No more.

[file83]

318. EXACTLY!!!!

This is all about how low the candidate is willing to sink, and Hillary has won that competition.

Obama doesn't exploit even the most outrageous of "fuck ups" like Hillary's sniper fire comment.

Hillary on the other hand, takes the most NEGATIVE spin on a finer point Obama was making and makes a fucking campaign ad out of it.

Hillary is pond scum.

[Downtown Hound]

320. Yeah, he fucked up so badly

that's why his poll numbers keep rising. No one in this magical place called the real world gives a shit about Obama's bitter comment, except for Hillary and her desperate supporters. This ad makes her look cheap, and her supporters even cheaper.

[Tarc]

452. Lying doesn't get you very far, I'm afraid

St. Obama is starting to sink like a stone.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[Downtown Hound]

494. Oh please

Every time you folks find a single poll that shows Obama going downward, you post and say that exact same thing. "Obama is sinking." Absolute and complete bullshit. Gallup has him holding steady and even expanding his lead over Clinton. Most other polls have him staying the same. I remember after the Wright incident all the posters saying how he was sinking like a stone. Well, he's still leading all these weeks later. So give it up.

[eridani]

350. She's using it against herself as well

Repeating Rethug talking points electe Rethugs, not Dems. Not even Clinton.

[Bonobo]

361. Nice lack of ethics there (with a twist of arrogance and derision on top!)

[DaveT]

382. He did not fuck up.

This is the most ridiculous line of bullshit in the history of politics. Bitter = condescending and elitist? His words = faith is insulted?

Stupid and dishonest. Beyond stupid and dishonest. Nauseating.


And, just to set your mind at ease, I'm not an Obama supporter except insofar as he is our likely nominee. Like many at DU, Obama was my second to last choice, slightly ahead of Rodham Clinton. Cheap crap like this advertisement makes it very easy to resolve my doubts about Obama, however. As iffy as his appeal may be, he is not the scumbag that Hillary Rodham Clinton shows herself to be with this piece of garbage.

He fucked up? You are not fooling anybody with that crock of shit.

[Mojorabbit]

399. It is not my first

I am old and I am appalled at this ad. My candidate dropped out long ago and I have taken the position that I did not care who won but....She has run a piss poor campaign and this ad looks like a hail mary for her. I am starting to wonder if she wants McCain to win, do four years, and then she will get another shot. The party elders can't be happy about this slash and burn when we have the first real chance to take the white house in years. I hope the primaries end soon, whoever wins.
It is time to focus on defeating McCain.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

428. So he should do a "Sniper Fire" ad against her, right?

She fucked up with that. He should use it. Right?

[Jamastiene]

441. It's like watching a bunch of rabid wolves

biting everything in sight including each other. Sometimes, it's like a 3 ring circus and sometimes it's like a nature documentary.

[mkultra]

489. no, its her last.

[jettison]

498. Hillary "fucks up" as you say, all the time.

Do you see Obama taking out add campaigns simply to smear her? Did you see a Bosnian commercial from the Obama side? He takes out adds to talk about his strong points. She takes out adds to talk about his weak points. One takes the high road while the other takes the low road, and it's been like that consistently. How Hillary supporters cannot see that is beyond troubling. Not even McCain is bashing Obama as hard as Hillary has been. Straight gutter politics, and if the polls are any indication, the majority of voters are sick of it.

[madaboutharry]

24. I can't vote for her if she is the nominee.

I can't do it. I am sorry, I will stay home.

[Bensthename]

27. I will vote McCain before her now.

[KAZ]

37. That's not good, but I understand your rage.

[eridani]

351. They's better damned well get over it by November

SCOTUS! SCOTUS! SCOTUS! SCOTUS!

[dflprincess]

516. E-zactly

I can't stand either one of them and haven't been able to for a long time both were pretty much at the bottom of my list from the beginning (maybe ahead of Gravel - but now I'm thinking he might be preferable. At least he didn't pander 24 hours a day and was certainly not a corporate sellout). At least I've had time to come to grips with the idea that I will not be happy when I cast my vote for the Democratic nominee this November. Of course, this isn't the first time I've been less than thrilled over the Democrat I was stuck voting for - I just think it's harder this time because I was so looking forward to this election and then we wind up with these two to choose from. What a disappointment.

[shagsak]

560. REVERD!

[TankLV]

579. but I bet you're always OUTRAGED if a hillary supporter on DU should say it

and so far NONE have...

amazing how you obamabots twist yourselves into a pretzel to justify everything obama...

disgusting...

[madaboutharry]

40. I use to live in Arizona,.

I wouldn't vote for McCain, ever. I wouldn't vote for Clinton, ever.

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[Hepburn]

193. Because there is NO difference between Hilly and McCain...

...except he is not a fucking pathological liar like she is.

JMHO

[Liberal Gramma]

273. There is ONE difference

He has a small degree of integrity. Not much, but more than she does.

[eridani]

352. Correction. He USED TO have integrity

That was before he became a complete Bush toady and voted for torture.

[Liberal Gramma]

366. I stand corrected. You're right.

[krabigirl]

203. seriously>? you are deluded.

[KaptBunnyPants]

330. I will never vote Republican. I will vote for anyone else but McCain before her.

[azmouse]

34. She's already lost.

[KAZ]

39. She's poisoning the water.

[SOS]

81. She's poisoning the water...

in a state that Kerry carried by less than 2%.

:mad:

[rzemanfl]

25. K & R, but I am NOT going to watch it. That's how the

Swiftboaters operate, get news coverage. Let her pay to broadcast it, she and Bill made $109 million bucks since he left office, they can afford it. I did see it on CNN, I am sure someone is doing background checking on the people (actors?) who appear in it.

[XemaSab]

26. Not cool

:(

[Submariner]

28. She's shootin' her wad on this one

Looks like an RNC ad. I guess the RNC and DLC aren't that far apart politically.

[Zodiak]

60. They never have been

I am just sorry that it took this level of betrayal for us to see it clearly.

It should have been apparent years ago.

[FatDave]

430. Yup. All eggs in one basket is not the wisest of strategies.

Especially when it's hurting her more than it is Obama. She's gambling her senate seat with this.

[mckeown1128]

29. Kick and REC.

Everyone better be recomending this and the other posts about this crap ad.

[Unbowed]

30. Oh yeah.

She sucks.

Big time.

[Road Scholar]

32. Damn. She doesn't have the integrity to be president.

:kick: &R

[earthlover]

244. Would you buy a used car from Hillary Clinton?

I didn't think so. So why trust her with the red phone?

[Enthusiast]

433. This is my problem with Hillary.

If I wanted a damn Republican I would vote for one. Anyway you look at it The Democratic Party has thrown away a great opportunity in 2008. Imagine that!

[Bigleaf]

33. Hillary. You're fucking killing me. I have to donate $ 50 more to Obama again tonight. Fuck!

[invictus]

35. "Hillary is a monster. She is stooping to anything to win." n/t

[RememberWellstone]

36. What was wrong with it?

He made the comments...the chickens are coming home to roost. Think twice before you piss in your plate.

[AllentownJake]

41. This is escalating

and its only going to end with President McCain.

[RememberWellstone]

52. HELL NO!! No Vampires!!

McLame will not get shit in the GE! bank on it. I won't Hillary to pull off the miracle, this would unite us like nothing else could. This is a great process and takes democrats to show how it works..pimples, moles and all.

[AllentownJake]

56. I'm just warning

You I'll probably calm down by November....alot of people I know won't.

[Yael]

488. Unite us?

Did you hit your head or something?

Wake up call -- she is moving people from disagreement to hatred. Several (myself included) have called her a whore.

You think this is "uniting"?

Wake the fuck up.

[jettison]

502. No, this isn't a "great process"

This is "politics as usual, win at all cost" crap. What's great about this? Is it titillating for you on some level? It's mundane, tired, and pedestrian. The same old crap for 20 years. You have one candidate attempting to take the high road, and the other candidate placing smear adds against the likely nominee. There is nothing "great" about that.

[Arrowhead2k1]

47. Damn repugs.

Go vote for McCain, I don't care anymore, that's where you belong!

[RememberWellstone]

74. I loathe McLame.

just so you'd know, I hate the ghostly bastard.

[KAZ]

85. There might be 3 people on this board that believe that.

Durty Dozen wannabe.

[RememberWellstone]

87. What is a durty dozen?

Is that new code word for Hillary supporters? Nice. Now I'm dirty.:eyes:

[jettison]

504. I don't have anything against Hillary supporters

... I'm only in awe that you're still able to support her. You obviously see something that most of us don't. It reminds me of the "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" Twilight Zone episode. We see ugly monsters everywhere, and you see an attractive candidate.

[Warren DeMontague]

149. Good. Glad to know you'll support Obama when he's the nominee.

This last-minute desperation crap isn't going to work for Hillary. She's done.

[cali]

53. I don't have a problem with it. I love watching Hill fuck herself

Every time she goes negative on Obama, it hurts her more than him. People just hate her more than ever.

[RememberWellstone]

70. Not this time.

had to say it, it has gone nation and now worldwide. He stuck his foot in his mouth and hit those who supported him the most. DUmb move on his part..smart move for Hillary to seize the moment. Much like he did on her sniper fire comments.

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[RememberWellstone]

109. I want nothing of the sort.

I spoke my mind and that was it. Leave all the nefarious accusations to come from Obama's henchman.

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[SaveAmerica]

118. Her sniper fire comments were her distorting the truth several times to

misrepresent what happened. That wasn't Obama taking her comment and twisting it into something it wasn't. She herself lied. This bitter mess is the result of her and her campaign purposefully taking his words and making it into something it wasn't. If you listen to what those 3 people in the commercial are saying, you'll see it is not what he was talking about. When you guys continue this mess, you are hurting the Democratic party. You are celebrating Hillary using Republican tactics, 'when you have a losing campaign, start the smear and fear tactics'.

[RememberWellstone]

126. She did not call people bitter

and damn sure did not say they clinged to guns and bibles because they are bitter. It's not even about the word bitter...it's about his characterization of people who are.

[SaveAmerica]

144. Yes she is indeed now saying that Obama said they clinged to guns and bibles because they are

bitter when that is not what he meant. That is not his characterization of people who are bitter, it's hers and her campaign. You are cheering on and supporting their Republican tactics to smear Obama.

[elmerdem]

479. Are you too fucking

stupid to understand what he meant? Apparently Hillary is or she does understand what he meant and has zero integrity. I have one word for Hillary: KARMA. This shit will haunt her. The super delegates are not knuckle draggers.

[jettison]

507. She should call people "bitter". They are.

And please, tell me what was untrue about his words? Do the downtrodden cling to religion to get by in this world? "Blessed are the meek" anyone? Don't they "seak salvation" when there is nowhere else to turn? That was his point. What's untrue about it?

As for "guns", he's talking about gun control. There are people who vote for a candidate simply over that issue and little else. They really exist, and there are plenty of them. Which NRA members out there are going to vote for a candidate who is pro gun control? Of course that's why they vote the way they do.

So again, I challenge you... What is untrue about Obama's words about guns and religion?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

293. LIE - not "distort" and not "mis-speak" LIE LIE LIE LIE

if I lie, people would call me a liar. If Hillary lies, she is a liar,
not a fracking "mis-speaker".

[earthlover]

252. Obama did not make a big deal about Sniper Gate....please be honest....Paul Wellstone was honest

[eridani]

355. Paul Wellstone also knew how to run a campaign based on huge numbers of small donors

--and volunteers. So does Obama. Clinton does not.

[wellstone dem]

I've been reading this posters comments for some time and the hardest part

is seeing the Wellstone name so misused. As a Minnesotan, I was fortunate enough to meet Senator Wellstone several times, and once, before he was running for Senate shared a stage with him as we both spoke of poverty. I saw how he treated people, and how at dinner events he thanked each of the waitstaff and would go to the kitchen to thank the people behind the scenes. Paul understood the folks in big cities, and small towns. He understood the feelings of powerlessness and the joy of having a voice.

I miss him. I wish those who choose his name for their own at sites like this would follow his example.

[eridani]

572. It is Obama that it getting a lot of ordinary people involved

--particularly those who have not been much involved before. The Wellstone organizing techniques are available to anyone, regardless of whether they are particularly progressive (which Obama is not).

[JBoy]

281. Canadians are watching.

They think that Hillary has jumped the shark.

[shellgame26]

317. lying must be contagious in the Hillary camp

To this day Obama has said NOTHING about Hillary's sniper fantasy. He could have slammed her with it like he slammed her over her little Annie Oakley charade. You must be taking lessons from Bill on how to keep a festering wound open. Honestly, the fact that you would bring up such an embarassing episode in her campaign in order to defend her just shows how desperate things are over there for you guys.

[cui bono]

333. What did he do regarding the sniper fire?

And no, the people he was talking about are not the demographic that supports him most.

How do you think this is a smart move on Hillary's part? What do you think the result will be from this ad?

[mkultra]

487. only someone NOT from a small town would think that

Im from a small town and as far as im concerned, he was telling the truth. The problem with hillary is she doesn't respect truth.

[jettison]

505. He didn't take out an add about the sniper fire though..

It's not the same at all.

[Hepburn]

58. Welcome to my ignore list...click.

[RememberWellstone]

77. bye

see ya.

[Enthusiast]

435. Find a better avatar

Hillary looks so false in that one. Anyone can see right through her. So plastic!

[GoneOffShore]

485. Despite your screen name

You obviously don't.

Buh bye.

[NC_Nurse]

82. Ha! What did "ignore" say anyway?

;-) Just kidding, I don't really want to know. I just thought it was funny that I already had whoever it is on ignore too. :hi:

[ginnyinWI]

188. just something vulgur--you don't want to read it. n/t

[cui bono]

340. Do you not have to look at the little Clinton avatar either? n/t

[CreekDog]

62. does it work?

i remember when Gray Davis made fun of Schwarzenegger in 2003 by saying
"you should be able to pronounce California before you can become governor of it".

i think that lost him the election.

"everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial."
1 Corinthians 10:23

[Zodiak]

65. I got a star

just so I could put you on ignore (ran out of room).

Look at yourself. Wellstone would shit himself to see that someone with your level of hate goes around a progressive board bearing his name.

[Hepburn]

75. Amen!

:applause:

[Cha]

362. I've had that one on Iggy for

months. There's nothing Wellstone about it..its using Paul as a Trojan horse.

[beachmom]

117. Distortion of his comments. Karl Rove would be proud. nt

[sudopod]

155. Fucking ironic post is fucking ironic.

[liberalcommontater]

175. I like her too

And Bill. I sent her $100 last week. Wish it could be more.

Whoever the nominee is, we need a democrat in the White House. Think about the country with another eight or twelve or more years of Republican misrule. This is the chance of a generation. The House and Senate will be firmly ours. We must have the White House too for an effective counter revolution to the Bush years.

[earthlover]

261. Sorry. What makes me the most mad is Hillary is going to ruin all of this....

She will not be the nominee. But she is poisoning the water. Hurting the chances for our nominee. Hurting the chances for Congressional gains.

Hillary is the most condescending politician in my old memory.

[Yael]

490. Thank you for that

The sooner she can pay herself back the loan, the faster (hopefully) she exits the race.

Give till it hurts!

[earthlover]

248. Wellstone would not make such an ad....rethink your moniker!

[cui bono]

329. There's no context provided in the ad. It's a simple negative attack that misrepresents

what Obama was talking about. I know you see it. Just admit it. It will free your soul. You'll feel so much better.

[jettison]

501. Good point

Now your boy McCain might have a chance in the general election. Good for you!

[Hepburn]

38. She simply is either stupid or sick...

...or both.

This "bitter" stuff she is pushing has come back and has bitten her squarely on her butt. Why in the hell would she keep pushing something which is hurting her?

Sheesh...:eyes:

[Bigleaf]

44. hahahahahahahahahaha! That ad fucking sucks! So fucking cheesy! Fuck, Obama could

probably save some money and not respond! hahahahahahahaha!

[ampad]

45. Do I have to?

Can't I just take your word for it and rec without watching?

[woolldog]

107. No you don't have to, I understand.

:hug:

[sniffa]

46. Anyone look familiar?

Are there photos of the other spontaneous protests on Saturday? We may just find the rest of the actors, er, real non-bitter Pennsylvanians who are offended by Obama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5494368&mesg_id=5494368

[AllentownJake]

50. Make an OP of this

If you can't I think I still have one left.

[sniffa]

67. I'd love to, and possibly will

However.....

When the video first aired on MSNBC, I immediately blurted out loud that, "Hey, isn't that the guy from the protest? And hey, isn't that woman also in that photo?"

I'd like to see photos from the other protest(s) as I'm sure we'll see the rest of the actors too.
I think I have to wait a little while thanks to my "cardboard" thread, so please go with it, or someone go with it, if you think it worthwhile.

Again, if anyone wants to run with this, please feel free.

[npincus]

101. have you posted it yet? you MUST.

It's big news if the Hillary campaign is using actors as (fake) BITTER Pa. anti-Obama protesters! Unfortunately, I reached my 3 thread limit.

[sniffa]

106. I will, but I need help

I'd like to track down any photos that may be available of the "Bitter Protesters."

I only have one photo, and that may be enough, but I'd like more.

[npincus]

127. you know, I just watched the ad twice

and as much as I'd love to nail her, I don't believe any of the angry townfolk match the protesters in the single photo you've posted. perhaps there are more, but right now, i would say it's not a match. Good luck! :)

[americanstranger]

130. I screen-capped the 'actors.'

The only one that's a possible is the guy to the far left of Sniffa's pic - but his face is obscured, so you can't tell.

Anyone got more pics of these 'protestors?'

- as

[sniffa]

141. He's actually my maybe

I bet my latte the red head is the red head in the video. The fact that watching the video live on tv, that I immediately blurted out (you can ask Bi-Baby), "Hey, aren't they the people from that protest?"

That's why i'm asking for anyone who has any other photos from the "at least 5 protests (http://www.wjactv.com/statecollege/15871123/detail.html) around the state.

[americanstranger]

147. I found another pic with a 'possible.'

Gimme a sec to upload it and I'll post.

On Edit: Eh. Maybe not. I'll upload it anyway and let y'all look.



Second from left has similar face shape, but the hair's different.

I need more pics.

- as

[sniffa]

151. Thanks

I may just go ahead and start the thread anyhow. If it's proven that there are no common actors then so be it. :hi:

[shellgame26]

437. That has got to be the sorriest

looking "protest" I've ever seen. She must have promised to finally pay their health insurance in order to get her campaign staff to ingratiate themselves like that.

[sniffa]

168. Done, finally

I hope I get more photos to either prove me wrong, or not. :bounce:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5504699&mesg_id=5504699

[MelissaB]

61. I didn't see any of these people there.

I may have missed them???

[sniffa]

72. 1st guy is a maybe - hard to say without a doubt because of the sign blockage

The red head is in the commercial.

Like I said, I'd like to see more photos of the "spontaneous Obama Campaign Office protests" to see if the rest of the actors were also protesters.

[AllentownJake]

How do I post pictures?

[sniffa]

80. Pictures you host? Or pix hosted by another site?

Either way, if you're using Firefox, just right-click and hit "Copy Image Location" - then post that "direct link" (it's now in your clipboard) into the body of your post. If you're using Explorer, right-click, click properties, and copy the location (make sure it ends in .jpg) and past in the body of your post.

Were there photos from the other Campaign Office that was protested?

[AllentownJake]

93. They're in My OP

I'll get them

[jenmito]

91. Jeffrey Toobin just BLASTED this ad-called it a disgrace.

He (and Jack Cafferty) both said Hillary purposely twisted Obama's words.

[sniffa]

104. And that's fine. But let's bust the HRC campaign for the phony shit

I've only seen one photo of the "Bitter Protesters" on Saturday(?) and that photo alone seems to show at least one of the people in the ad, and possibly two. I bet my latte that if we can find other photos of the different "spontaneous protesters" you may just find the rest of the people in the the ad.

[babylonsister]

125. OMG> these are the same people in the ad? How ... LAME! Bwhaha! nt

[sniffa]

170. Can't say for certain

but that's my current inclination.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5504699&mesg_id=5504699

[babylonsister]

251. I think one guy might be. But there was agreement on

Abrams' show that they were probably all Clinton staffers. Who knew?! :D

[eridani]

360. Could these guys be pros, like that jackass making a career of being

"assaulted" by anti-war demonstrators?

[MelissaB]

49. How could she be so fucking stupid?

She's a smart lady. Why do this? Shit!

[americanstranger]

55. I think she's still listening to Mark Penn.

She deserves to lose.

- as

[Zodiak]

68. Because intelligence does not equate to wisdom

...as any D&D player will tell you.

[uponit7771]

229. Yeap, one is knowing what to do with shit the other is when and why

[dbmk]

557. Or...

Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit.

Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

[backscatter712]

51. Tomorrow's payday. That means Obama gets more money!

And again we can watch as Hillary's outspent to oblivion.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

54. Maybe I'm more liberal in my Christianity than others...

but if I were in Pennsylvania this would make me WANT to vote for Barack Obama! I think the ad backfired. I totally empathize with his comments because they have been true in my life experiences! Does anyone else feel this way?

[Zodiak]

78. Practically all of us

I grew up in a small town.....and as a 30-something, my entire life has been witness to the destruction of what this country once was. You are goddamned right I am bitter, and I watched my neighbors and friends adhere to their core cultural beliefs in the same way Obama described while their jobs and way of life eroded.

The government hasn't cared for years about the economic interests of average Americans....either party...all there is left to vote on when you are getting screwed are cultural issues.

[here_is_to_hope]

63. 50 on the double up, yo! n/t

[DangerousRhythm]

Damn, I REALLY try not to overdo it on the dislike but...

This is disgusting. Obama didn't say it very artfully at all but let's get real here... most of us know exactly what the hell he was talking about and a whole lot of us would agree with the basic point, getting past this stupid fake outrage. I fully believe she meant to cover up her rather uncomfortable, semi-hysterical cackle -- video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tngWyRHIjYU -- at being asked about the conflict of interest concerning the Columbia Free Trade Agreement, and that she'd been holding onto that recording of Obama since it happened, thanks to the shill, Mayhill Fowler, who posted about it to the Huffington Post. The pre-printed BOX of "I'm Not Bitter" stickers her campaign had at that event really sells it for me. Create an outrageous story as a massive distraction from the embarrassment that was that laugh, and milk it for all it's worth... that's the game.

I'm beginning to believe it's blowing up WAY beyond what she expected but that she's FULLY taking advantage of this. She's done the internal polling and no doubt she knows where she stands in the race, so why try to cripple Obama this way? A fucking AD? Seriously? That stammering laugh and non-answer of hers was VERY embarrassing and with a little more play it could have been her Dean Scream but instead, she's blown the "bombshell" she intended to release just before the PA vote. I really can't take much more of this woman. I just can't. Someone needs to set the damn record straight about WHY she is doing this. She's making it VERY hard for me to want to support her, should she get the nomination. I will have to because I cannot support McCain, but DAMN is she making it hard. I don't think a thousand showers could get the stink of that vote off of me, should she win it, and I'm just sad about it because I've never had to consider voting that way before.

I almost wish Obama would release an ad featuring that horrendous stammer-laugh/non-reply to the Columbia Free Trade Agreement question, but he's got much more class than that. Too bad I can't say the same for Hillary. I'm sorry, Hillary supporters, but I don't understand how you can support this sort of disgusting behavior towards a fellow Democrat who is quite likely to be the nominee. I know it's politics and it's a dirty business, but this ad is just beyond the pale.

[eridani]

363. "I'm not bitter" = Purple Heart bandaids n/t

[ut oh]

509. That clip....

Makes me laugh and sad at the same time...

She's really backed herself into a corner on several issues.

And if anyone truely think Obama said what Hillary is trying to present in the ad, they really need to go take a course in critical thinking...

[grytpype]

64. The Clintons are turning their names into mud.

[1776Forever]

69. If that isn't Rovian I don't know what is!!!!!!

:puke:

[mudesi]

71. She is a despicable scumbag (nm)

[David Zephyr]

73. This is so cheesy that it is sleazy. This will backfire against Hillary.

What? Hillary is now Charlton Heston on guns and Jerry Falwell on Jesus?

What a shitty ad.

Obama clearly made a mistake. Hillary looks like an ambulance chaser now.

Whatever "mileage" the Clintons had gotten from Obama's mistake is now lost.

This will backfire.

This is way too opportunistic.

[tabasco]

76. The cheerleader mom candidate continues her self-destruction.

This will help Obama.

[Zachstar]

83. I think I need to call the big names of the democratic party.

This 100 percent grade A political bullshit from the Clinton Campaign and it does fucking NOTHING but empower John McCain!

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[H2O Man]

90. Nominated n/t

[anonymous171]

96. That's it. Obama needs to bring up NAFTA and Bosnia gate. Fuck her up.

[blonndee]

99. I agree. I totally agree. He's given her a pass on that shit for too long.

At first I thought it was a good idea to let her hang herself and suffer her blowback without his help, but after this nasty shit, she deserves much more than "Annie Oakley."

[Bensthename]

108. Amen brother

[Zodiak]

100. Predictable

I'm sorry, but this was inevitable. For the thousandth time, Hillary is DLC and the job of the DLC is to make sure populism never rises again in America. Whether Republicans or Democratics run things, the corporations will always hold sway. This campaign of self-destruction that we are all witnessing is a scorched-earth strategy to discredit the presumptive nominee of the Democratic party and install the Republican neo-con into the Presidency. Why? Because the DLC is not going to get to do it the way things are going....and a potential populist might get the White House.

This is a nightmare scenario for the PNACers....all of their plans could come to ruin of the people are allowed access to their government again.

If Hillary had won the nomination, the corporations would continue to rule. This is acceptable.

By all accounts, she is not going to win, so plan B goes into effect.....destroy the nominee...get people disillusioned with politics and the Democratic party...make them disengage.

Is it going to work? I have no idea, but I can tell you that for the first time in my memory, it has a chance of NOT working. I am hoping this blows up in Hillary's DLC-loving face.

[Sander]

102. Time to give it up Hillary!

:puke:

:puke:

:puke:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/sanderbellman/gGBpzM

[Carolina]

110. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!

[PerfectSage]

112. I give Hillary a granite cookie for that ad.

[KAZ]

123. That is the point. isn't it. Someone said up thread she would have been..

.. TS'd here.

[beachmom]

113. Crude and craven. Sounds like a Republican ad. nt

[ErinBerin84]

114. wow

I saw this on the David Gregory show, and I have a lot of the same reaction as many of you have. It looks like something a Republican would run.

Hillary needs to be more careful. Even if she gets the nomination, she is going to be facing a divided party, just like Obama will face if he is the nominee. The polls suggest that there are more Hillary voters that wouldn't vote for Obama, than there are Obama voters that wouldn't vote for Hillary. I wouldn't count on that so much now. I think that a lot of Obama supporters say that they will be a good democrat and vote for Hillary, because they think that she has already lost.
A lot of Democrats I know that defended Hillary and Bill all through the 90s are even wondering if she WILL be able to slay off the attacks of the right wing anymore. In the 90s, much of the defense of the attacks was the "It's us against them, it's the right wing conspiracy" nature. When she has faced scrutiny for the Bosnia incident, she said that she misspoke, but that it just proved she was human, which was a "revelation" to some. Bill Clinton was saying last week that the media made a much bigger deal of the Bosnia story than was waranted (the "Media Conspiracy") theme. Even when Hillary was asked about the Colombian free trade deal that her husband worked towards, she was speechless. She could have used it as a strong moment to assert the differences between her and her husband...it could have been so good for her. She truly seemed shocked that a reporter even asked her the question. There have been so many areas where the strategy has been off...not only does she go negative, but she does it in such a distasteful way that it almost negates the point she is making. But Who knows. Maybe this is "Hillary's Big Break". But the ways in which she has miscalculated certain strategies during this primary makes me wonder if she would be any better in the general, or if it would just be excuses.

[thewiseguy]

116. Who funded this ad? The GOP?

[tbyg52]

121. Could some kind soul *please* post a synopsis for us dialuppers?

From what I can make out above, it will be painful, so I *really* appreciate it. The curiosity is killing me!

[DerekJ]

128. here is the transcript

Here’s the script of Clinton’s new ad:

Clinton: “I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve this message.”

Announcer: “Barack Obama said that people in small towns ‘cling to guns or religion … as a way to explain their frustrations.’ ”

Woman 1: “I was very insulted by Barack Obama.”

Man 1: “It just shows how out of touch Barack Obama is.”

Woman 2: “I'm not clinging to my faith out of frustration and bitterness. I find that my faith is very uplifting.”
Man 2: “The good people of Pennsylvania deserve a lot better than what Barack Obama said.”

Woman 1: “Hillary does understand the citizens of Pennsylvania better.”

Woman 3: “Hillary Clinton has been fighting for people like us her whole life.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9600.html

[tbyg52]

145. Oh dear. Thank you. nt

[sudopod]

158. I IDENTIFY WITH THESE PEOPLE

CLEARLY THEY HOLD THE SAME VALUES AS I DO, LOL.

Seriously, how dumb does she think we are? O_o

[Divernan]

242. "Fighting for people like US" - what? Is Sam Walton in that ad?

[WillyToad]

392. THAT is what all the vitriol and hatred in this thread is based on?

OMG, I am now thoroughly convinced:

Obama = hate

[abq e streeter]

124. how can any democrat still support her?

and once again, I am an Obama supporter by default; I liked almost all the others more than him, but I'm grudgingly beginning to like him to some extent, and each day Hillary pushes me further and further into being a staunch defender of Obama.

[cui bono]

346. That's what's happened to me. I find myself not just calling Hillary out

but also beginning to defend Obama, even though he was never one of my choices.

[Name removed]

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[anonymous171]

131. ohhhh ouch.

Better hide. :hide:

[thewiseguy]

137. You are not alone buddy. Me too!

I been thinking about this for months now. How could anyone tolerate her? I had nothing against Hillary before the primary season started. Maybe then I was a fan too.

Now I am sorry to say I absolutely hate her and I hope she does not get anywhere near the White House ever again.

I feel very sorry for Bill Clinton.

[onefreespiritedchick]

138. OUCH! n/t

[Divernan]

246. How would you like HRC for a mother-in-law? What sado-masochist would marry into that family? .

[Nedsdag]

354. It's probably the reason why Chelsea's still single.

She doesn't want to put her boyfriend through the Hillary ringer.

[myrna minx]

132. This is trashy and despicable.

I have lost all respect I ever had for her. :-(

[onefreespiritedchick]

133. Oh my, another new low...

And, to think I used to revere this woman.

[williesgirl]

140. Bush-lite in a skirt. I've been saying this for months. rec'd

[proud2BlibKansan]

180. No she is Bush in a pants suit

She doesn't wear skirts very often.

[Name removed]

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[adoraz]

143. WOW. And to think people are defending this shit.

that was lower than low. That would be low even for Republicans.

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[Bonobo]

190. Yes, you're right. Even low for Republicans.

[TragedyandHope]

146. Put down the pipe, it's over.

[thewiseguy]

148. 101 DU members: Hillary sucks!

[MH1]

499. 345 now!

I have NEVER seen that many recs on ANY DU thread before.

:wow:

[LSK]

150. Obama should just run an ad of the previous sentence

The one where the Clinton admin did nothing for people in these towns. Except for NAFTA.

[Bensthename]

492. Haha.. That sounds like a good idea.

[TankLV]

154. GREAT ad by Hillary!!! - hurts, doesn't it!!!

obama just keeps on opening his mouth and sticking his FOOT in it - so much for his "stirring words"!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

He sure knows how to insult the common man, doesn't he?

just like he does gay persons...

[Kurovski]

166. NAFTA hurts more. (nt)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

173. And her supporters are hypocrites who heart John McCain.

Hillary's Donnie McClurkins

I know. When Her Royal Entitled Sniper Fire Dodging Majesty does it, it's different.

[ampad]

316. Don't forget her throwing San Fran under the bus

last night. You know San Francisco is code speak for gay folk in the context in which she brought it up. She wasn't fooling anyone with that crap she pulled with San Francisco last night. She makes me sick.

[TankLV]

578. Just like the obamababies support of McCain if HE doesn't win, huh?

[LSK]

182. NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA

But I suppose you do not get bitter when you loose a job?????

[DrZeeLit]

228. Oh, and Bill's complete, utter betrayal by signing "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

was quite the HERALD of gay rights, huh?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

265. It's always different when the Clintons do it to Their Royal Majesties' loyal subjects. nt

[Kurovski]

370. Did anyone yet mention the Defense of Marriage Act?

Boy, those Clintons sure know how to "gay" a joint up, don't they?

[TankLV]

577. You don't even KNOW what the fuck you are talking about!

You obviously don't even know that among the FIRST things that Clinton did after the swearing-in is to move to ELIMINATE THE PROHIBITION AGAINST GAYS SERVING OPENLY IN THE MILITARY.

and that DADT was the result of REPUKES insisting on officially BANNING Gays from serving in the military, and basically DADT says it's NOBODY'S BUSINESS IF YOU'RE GAY - right?!

LEARN THE HISTORY BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR IGNORANT TRAP...

BILL AND HILLARY ARE THE BEST FRIENDS GAY PERSONS EVER HAD IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

while obama STILL won't accept FULL EQUALITY and just REPEATED his opposition to gay marriage THIS PAST WEEKEND...

[Hepburn]

257. Welcome to my INGORE list...

....if you support Hillary, you are supporting McCain IMO.

[KaptBunnyPants]

339. How did I miss putting you on ignore?

[YOY]

459. My god, you people have no idea what you are doing anymore.

You are destroying any hope of a Democratic win in November.

You should take no pride or happiness in this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

156. Can't see it

Is there another link?

[Skip Intro]

159. LOVE that ad, and it only uses Obama's own words. Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?

They're his words, not hers.

[Kurovski]

176. Can I offer you some more sleaze to go with your cliche?

The perception created in the ad is hers. And it is fresh from the brothel, political whore that she is.

[juno jones]

221. Hardly a direct quote.

But then it wouldn't be contraversial would it?

[earthlover]

279. Bull. Shit. There was a lot of phoney actors talking too. And a misrepresentation of Obama's words

Up is down in Hillary Land. Orwell would even be embarrassed by this ad.

[Mags]

160. I love it. It shows what Obama is all about. Belittle, degrade and get his big bucks from

the San. Francisco elite. Just the truth.

[Name removed]

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[XOKCowboy]

183. The "San Francisco Elite"??? How NeoCon of you...

Where did you get this truth? From Karl Rove?

[KAZ]

184. Wow, an emoticon, and a noun describes the sub-OP. :puke:

[Hepburn]

204. How cute...NOT!

San Francisco....nice little code word for gay? You are just like Hillary...and that is NO compliment!

:grr:

[dana_b]

215. I think you just said what Rush Limbaugh stated this morning.

I had the misfortune of hearing the idiot when I was tuning the radio and he said something so similar it's eerie. By the way, most of us here in San Francisco are NOT elitist snobs. We're working class people who ARE bitter. But please, keep clinging to your delusions. I can see they make you comfortable.

[uponit7771]

222. Troll much?

[aaronbees]

237. San Francisco elite??

Even if there were such a thing, I'd take it over your candidate's DLC/Beltway elite any day of the week.

[mhoran]

269. Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to put someone on ignore?

Mags earns the honor of being my first ignore. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

[Oilwellian]

306. A belated welcome to DU, and.....

Right beside the name you want to ignore, you'll see a little icon that has a red X on it. Just click it and voila! They disappear into the ethers of the internet. :D

[mhoran]

313. Thanks!

I feel empowered!

[earthlover]

280. Imagine that. A Hillary/Sniper supporter talking about "the truth"....irony unlimited

[Scurrilous]

163. K & R

:thumbsup:

[BeyondGeography]

167. Nice ad...if you're a Republican

[ashrob123]

186. Is it November already?

I thought that she couldn't go any lower but I was wrong.

She's so fucking foul that I can say right now that I will never, ever in my life vote for anyone whose name is Clinton.

If there were ever any doubt about it in my mind before it is gone, she is a Republican.

Is there really any difference between her and McCain?

[eridani]

365. Yes. She won't appoint whackjobs to SCOTUS. n/t

[Catherina]

171. ROFL! She can't stop hurting herself

:rofl:

That's the silliest political ad I've ever seen. No voter is going to take that seriously and she just left a huge door open for Obama to take her out in PA using NAFTA, Colombia, Free Trade, lying about her experience etc...

Hillary, if the loons working on your campaign are anything like the loons saying this was a brilliant ad, get new friends, FAST. They're burying you sister.

[ima_sinnic]

179. MOLEHILLARY is a despicable, disgusting sack of shit

that is my name for her from now on, Molehillary, the corrupt, LYING sack of shit who is destroying the Democratic Party with wedge issues, molehilling the Democratic candidate while falsely running as a "Democrat."

what a piece of human garbage. Why doesn't she make it official and just switch over to the repuke party?

[CakeGrrl]

187. Time to put the boot on her throat, Obama. Enough of this disingenuous bullshit. n/t

I don't know how much Gore, Dean, Pelosi et al are going to let her do to trash Democratic chances, but she's nothing but desperate and toxic and destructive. They need to figure out a way to put her out of the Democratic party's misery sooner rather than later.

[RBInMaine]

191. Obama needs to hit her HARD in an ad RIGHT NOW with NAFTA, her PAC and LOBBYIST $, WALMART, and

every other piece of anti-worker crap she has chewed on throughout her entire career !

[odelisk8]

194. her whole life

yes...in korea...running from sniper fire in her diapers...

[yardwork]

195. That is disgusting.

I can't believe I used to support Hillary for president. Ok, it was a brief support, after my first, second, and third choices dropped out.

But this...this is just awful. This sounds like something Jesse Helms would have aired in North Carolina in the 1980s.

Hillary. How could you? Go to your room!!

[kimsterdemster]

198. being relentlessly determined

Her bitterness is making me Bitter! Any body got a bat of bitter butter?

1bit·ter

Pronunciation: \ˈbi-tər\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English biter; akin to Old High German bittar bitter, Old English bītan to bite — more at bite
Date: before 12th century
1 a: being or inducing the one of the four basic taste sensations that is peculiarly acrid, astringent, or disagreeable and suggestive of an infusion of hops — compare salt, sour, sweet b: distasteful or distressing to the mind : galling <a bitter sense of shame>
2: marked by intensity or severity: a: accompanied by severe pain or suffering <a bitter death> b: being relentlessly determined : vehement <a bitter partisan> c: exhibiting intense animosity <bitter enemies> d (1): harshly reproachful <bitter complaints> (2): marked by cynicism and rancor <bitter contempt> e: intensely unpleasant especially in coldness or rawness <a bitter wind>
3: expressive of severe pain, grief, or regret <bitter tears>
— bit·ter·ish \ˈbi-tə-rish\ adjective
— bit·ter·ly adverb

[rhombus]

199. She would be a perfect GOP candidate

Rove could be her apprentice.

[SunDrop23]

200. Hill must know she really sucks since she has to resort to stuff like this.

She knows she's not going to get the nom, so I guess she figures she'll do what she can to support the McCain campaign.

[KAZ]

202. Suck, GOP Synonymous.

[SunDrop23]

212. And where did she find those actors?

Acting school drop outs?

The second snippet, the lady in the red shirt looks like she's trying hard to keep a straight face and the fourth snippet, the guy in the glasses looks as if he is reading his line for the first time ever.

What a sham.

[bevoette]

344. they went to the same acting school she did,? (nm)

[Cameron27]

206. How typical,

"Wow. She's trash," says the Obama supporter with the sticker of hope.

[KAZ]

214. As far as Dems are concerned, yes. She can shove her ..

.. "bitter" stickers. GOP is persona non grata around here.

[earthlover]

283. Sad. Hillary could have made a better ad. Here is what she could have done.

She could have picked up on the bitter thing and chastise McCain for attacking Obama. (this would show her as a fighter AGAINST McCain). Then turn it around on Obama by showing how Hillary would be better suited to make government more responsive to the people, with health care, etc. This is a tack she and her multi-million-dollar aides COULD have taken. Imagine...a Hillary ad that actually promotes Hillary instead of ganging up on Obama with her buddy McCain! I know it is hard to imagine something like this, but this is an ad she COULD have made.

Sad thing and very revealing is that Hillary at NO POINT says any reason why she is better....it is 100% dirt.

So much for a town called Hope.

[TexasLady]

295. you are right. That would have impressed the hell outta me

and others I would wager.

[XOKCowboy]

307. Has there been such an ad by Hillary?

That well thought out "3AM" ad really turned out well for her, didn't it? Same MO as this ad. The only times she's talked about us little guys was the hospital speech. Oh that went well too didn't it? Should I mention the Bosnia speech? Ouch..

From what I've seen she's either lying, praising the Republicans and attacking her fellow Democrats. Oh I forgot her ties to Corporate America and the DC elite. Just what I want in my next president.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

[ima_sinnic]

208. I am sending a link to this thread to Howard Dean, Al Gore, and Nancy Pelosi

please join me in complaining to the party elders about this traitor. Let them see firsthand, by reading this thread, what she is doing to the soul of the Democratic Party.

[Laurab]

209. Trash is too kind. K&R n/t

[windoe]

210. Enough pettiness

and picking over minutiae. I am more impressed with a candidate that can rise above small minded attacks and move on to more important issues, we have so many of them. Senator Obama speaks in very clear terms and is very consistent in his ability to communicate. I would like to see Democrats holding both candidates feet to the fire about more important issues and not be derailed into these dead end issues.

[Vattel]

218. amen! n/t

[KAZ]

241. What country do you live in?

OK, just snark, but we've been through 3 months of hell here.

[BklynChick]

213. randi rhodes was right

[Vattel]

216. What I find odd

is how mild the ad is. She leaves out Obama's suggestion that some poor rural voters cling to antipathy towards memebers of other races, cultures, etc. ("antipathy to people who aren't like them") as a way to explain their frustration. (I know, I'm taking him out of context: Obama was just sympathizing with these people. How could someone be insulted by the suggestion that because of the failures of government, he is not only bitter, but clings to antipathy towards people who aren't like him as a way to explain his frustrations? ) It seems to me that Hillary is just unwilling to do what it takes to win.

I wonder if Obama should just have been honest and admitted that what he said was not flattering, but nevertheless it is simply true that some people resort to religion and antipathy towards others and anti-immigrant sentiment to rationalize their troubles, that he certainly didn't intend to suggest nor does he believe that all or most poor rural voters do this.

My own view is that criticizing Obama for saying something true is ridiculous.

[CakeGrrl]

225. He's already said he could have made a better choice of wording, and

he stuck by the point he was trying to make.

The MSM, who has been strangely accused of being pro-Obama, has failed to report his responses as breathlessly as they do the faux hand-wringing over the impact of this nothingness on his campaign.

[Kurovski]

233. Cognitive dissonance on your part.

He also said it's "not suprising". Which means it's justified.

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. ... And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising..."

Another good line Clinton ignored: "they fell through the Clinton Administration".

She's playing old time politics. Millions are sick of it. this may be the end of this kind of crap in presidential elections.

[Vattel]

245. I disagree

"Not surprising" doesn't mean "justified." It means "predictable" or "to be expected" and perhaps suggests "understandable."

[Kurovski]

255. Good enough.

He got that people are in a world of hurt, and that it has lasted for decades. Including through the Clinton years.

[Kurovski]

277. And by the way...I made an error with that "cognitive dissonance" comment.

Your comments were too nuanced for my full comprehension as I jumped around in a state of bitter anger. Oh, the irony.

Please accept my sincere apology.

[NatBurner]

584. her target audience would need to have "antipathy" explained to them

slowly, with monosyllabic words & such-

she doesn't have that kind of money

[GoldieAZ49]

217. Good for her!

BTW those were people in PA saying that.

[KAZ]

219. ..FYUnD

[GoldieAZ49]

224. FOAD

:rofl:

[KAZ]

231. Bzzt. Wrong. But you can do that too.

[earthlover]

288. Good to know PA has some good actors and/or Hillbots

[uponit7771]

220. I will pray for her, she HAS to be hurting and that hurt HAS to be tearing her and her own apart

[mtnsnake]

223. Barack Obama only wishes he had half the class of the Goddess of Peace. Maybe someday he can try

but for the time being, he's just gonna have to set his goals a little higher if he wants to attain Rock Star status like Hillary and Bill someday

[anonymous171]

227. Rhodes was right about the GOP

:puke:

[mtnsnake]

250. Rhodes is a has-been. She's just another drunk who's obviously jealous of Hillary

[bagimin]

342. Randi WAS one of senator Clintons biggest supporters.....

wasn't that long ago.Just like most of the rest of us.

[mcollier]

272. The Obama Campaign

Needs our support. Volunteer, contribute time and money if you can. We can be the differnce. Our voice is more powerful that the powerful special interest and the few connected. Yes we must hope and believe in that hope that we are taking our government back our country back. As the non-Obama supporters to check out Obama's document "Blueprint For Change"... It is an impressive outline of change that we can believe in... If you want to know about Obama's "Agenda", this document is where you will learn the truth and you will likely be pretty surprised. If you continue to allow the media to brainwash you with garbage about who Barack Obama is and what he stands for, without having the thoughtfulness, judgment or character to find out for yourself then your probably an old fool who has been so condition to be suckered you just take it naturally. Young people are taking more responsibility in this election like never before as they see their parents and grandparents hurting and struggling and bitter and feeling nearly helpless due to the harse economic strain.

Home work assignment:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

[juno jones]

232. Wasn't Obama the rock star a few months ago? And that was a bad thing?

Now it's Hillary and Bill. And that's good.

Rock star is a pretty stupid analogy for either of them.

Although she could go and bite the head off a bat onstage and it still wouldn't make her any less elite.

[shadowknows69]

262. Wow, you really need help don't you?

[PaulaFarrell]

548. Half the class of the GOP?

ummm, OK

[thereismore]

230. Bottom sucking scum carrion eater. nt

[uponit7771]

239. To watch someone ripp their name to shreads with the help of the GOP is horror.

[ecdab]

243. It's really sad watching Hillary pick up decade old GOP talking

points and throw them around. From a short term political stand point - her ploy has stopped the media conversation about Columbia, Mark Penn, trade deals backed by Bill, etc., but at what cost. She has completely sold out - she doesn't even remotely sound like a Democrat at this point.

[Barack_America]

249. Lol! That is the most pathetic ad I've ever seen.

It puts the 3 am ad to shame as far as total lameness goes!

:rofl:

[Roxy66]

253. I'm the last person I thought would say this......but I completely detest this woman

and I used to hate it when I saw negative posts about her on this forum....I always have loved her, but she has driven me 180* degrees away from her.

[woolldog]

270. You mean 180 degrees.

;-)

[Roxy66]

291. LOL....thanks. I guess I was blinded with fury

[Cali_Democrat]

256. I don't even want to watch it

I'm afraid I'll hate her too much.

[AtomicKitten]

258. I dream of Obama hitting her on NAFTA.

[shadowknows69]

260. That's not even well made

The production budget must be hurting too. And I'm sorry, I know you're not supposed to judge a book by it's cover, but that lot sounded like it had a collective IQ of about 60.

[ForeignSpectator]

432. "And I don't mean averaged"... n/t

[countingbluecars]

264. She is such a disappointment.

I'm not even sure I can vote for her should she be the nominee.

[Colobo]

268. Clinton = McCain = Bush.

[woolldog]

271. My thoughts on what Obama can do about this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5504412

[KAZ]

285. I',m going with the "gained" answer. People I've talked to are really pissed.

[woolldog]

302. Good to hear.

I'm not a rural PA voter. I don't own a gun and I'm not religious, so I have no idea how these people think. Still, it couldn't hurt....

[Name removed]

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[noel711]

275. I have a migraine; they've filmed this in front of my church!

And no one asked me!

Oh god, I'll have an answering machine full of
angry parishoners tomorrow....

I need to run away...

[Kurovski]

292. LOL!

Please post a thread about it if you do.

[woolldog]

375. are you a priest, noel711??

[noel711]

454. Hi Woolly..

I'm a pastor in Allentown.
Which could be contrued as Hillary turf,
but I see more Obama yard signs than Clintons.

I've been meticulous in keeping on an even keel
politically in the congregation..
which I need to do.. gotta be objective,
I have many in membership who are strong republicans,
and I don't want to alienate them.
Just gently make them think about the issues...
you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar...
something the Clinton campaign has forgotten.

[disndat]

276. HC wants to destroy Obama's candidacy,

help McCain run in '08 so she could run in '12. Or she just want to destroy Obama's chances for the WH even if she has no chance to get the Democratic nomination, ever. Probably, all of the above. HC is showing what she is showing her true hard-as-nails, ruthless self.

[juno jones]

337. This looking ahead to her chances in 2012 sticks in my craw.

Her supporters hold the supreme court and women's rights over us as a form of blackmail to assure our votes for 'a dem' (preferably Hillary) in the fall no matter what. But Hillary and her supporters seem to be making it abundantly clear that if she doen't get the nom this time, her supporters, especially that traitorous 28% or so, will be more than happy to allow McCain in so Hill has a shot at 2012.

Whatta strategy. What hypocrisy.

edit to add a hearty WTF?, should anything they say matter now? Where's her 'feminist base' in all this?

[mhoran]

278. It doesn't matter.

She keeps trying the same old tactics, and they just keep coming back around to bite her in the arse. Personally, I find the experience of watching her self-destruct tragic and sad.

[DerekJ]

282. is this ad running in PA now?!

[PA Democrat]

304. Yes, saw it twice while making dinner.

:puke:

[Left coast liberal]

286. I know, it's pretty pathetic. I am going to start feeling sorry for her soon.

[Quixote1818]

287. Maybe Mark Penn was smarter than we thought. Even he woulden't pull this kind of crap. nt

[AtomicKitten]

289. Pretty soon she'll be getting drive-bys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G0aemJnlyU

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

290. now I see how to get lots of recommends

you gave at least 171 people a reason to recommend this thread!

[Bonaparte]

294. I wasn't expecting Hillary to stoop this low

Seriously, her tactics are reminiscent of Karl Rove's plots to destroy Democrats.

[erasmus]

296. The mainstream media have scraped every barrel

to tear Hill down. A blind eye has been turned by them to Barrack 'bitterness you can believe in' Obama's serial 'gates'. She owes it to the American public to cast a light on this silvery tongued pseudo-messiah seeing that nobody else will.
This add is AWESOME!
I am overjoyed by the WHINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE from the BO camp.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, and take your pillows with you!

[TML]

298. A Sad Caricature Of Herself

[bagimin]

300. This doesn't resemble any Democratic ad

that I've ever seen. Despicable.

[Name removed]

301. Deleted message

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[AZBlue]

305. She's now lower than Bush on my list.

[truebrit71]

308. What a fucking scumbag...

Have you no decency, at long last ma'am, have you no decency?

:grr:

[mod mom]

309. I wish Move On would do an ad w Clinton choking when questioned about Bill's $800,000 from Colombia

Free Trade advocating. I know Sen Obama wouldn't stoop so low but her harping on this issue was an obvious way to distract on a REAL issue-that she is trying to convince voters she is AGAINST free trade while her chief strategist (at the time) mark Penn and her own husband are advocating for the passage of free trade w Colombia. Her damning choking response has been largely ignored by the media, while they focus on a out of context soundbite of Obama's for the last 3 days.

[DangerousRhythm]

570. Completely agreed.

Why has that footage been buried? I never ONCE saw it on TV... only online. Surely this Obama bitterness thing isn't more riveting than actually watching Hillary become... hysterical. There's just no other word for her response to that question. Stammering and hysterical, arms waving, stuttering and wildly searching her brain for a reply. HARDLY presidential, in my opinion. Seriously, as I said above, that, if they didn't have the bitterness bone to chew on, really smacks of "Dean Scream" to me. Does it not? I actually felt embarrassed for her watching that non-answer. Embarrassed and well... I guess sad would be a kind word for it. Unbelieveable. To me, the Colombia thing is very MUCH a real issue while this "bitter" thing... I get the impression nobody cares but the MSM. They're trying to make people care but I really don't think it's working. People seem sick of the distraction but they just don't care. They'll run that word into the ground. BAH!

[erasmus]

310. ''Wow. She's trash.''

Why don't you add the adjective 'white' and finish off the quote that was on the tip of Barrack's tongue in San Francisco.

[Kurovski]

319. Okay, so you missed your stop off the freeperville trolley,

and this is the presumptous racist crap you greet us with? :shrug:

But I have to agree, it's not so much trashiness on Sen. Clinton's part as it is good old-fasioned political whoring.

[GoneOffShore]

483. I was just about to click Ignore

But I clicked young Erasmus profile and found a lovely granite cookie.

Erasmus B. Dragon - RIP

[woolldog]

378. I don't use the term "white trash" erasmus. I think it's a racist term.

[PaulaFarrell]

549. it is - not many people get that

'white trash' so as to differentiate from 'black trash' - and 'trailer trash' is just a continuation of the theme. I hate when people use these terms without understanding their etymology.

[Kajsa]

311. I don't think she is trash, but this ad sure is sleazy.

Re; what Obama REALLY SAID.

Here is the direct quote from the transcript,

"And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families
and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington."

Not even close to the garbage her team has spun it into.

This is low- the lowest I've ever seen her go.

;(

[Vattel]

327. That was his attempt to spin what he said,

not the original quote that got him into hot water.

[Kajsa]

471. Ah, NO!-youtube links to Obama's speech and Hillary's reply.

Here's Hillary's "take" on what he said
and what happened.

She's not commenting on any spin here.
This is in direct reference to the speech I
linked below it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxWSZIDld1A

here's Obama's speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

--- not even close!

[Downtown Hound]

312. I won't vote for her now even if she is the nominee

That ad went too far. I can survive four years of McCain if that's what it takes. I've survived eight of Bush. But that ad was beyond the pale. Hillary will never get my vote. Period.

[Holly_Hobby]

314. Hillary needs a stiff one n/t

[dailykoff]

315. She's disrupting poorly.

[donheld]

338. Just noticed. That tombstone is sexist

:D

[Kurovski]

374. IT IS INDEED!

It assumes only men are disruptors! :D

[donheld]

413. Should I alert on the sexist tombstone?

:D

[Kurovski]

415. Let's express our outrage for 30 more posts, first.

WHY is this STILL here?! I thought this was a PROGRESSIVE board!

[Wizard777]

321. If they weren't bitter before. They will be by the time Hillary's done with them.

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

325. Talk about selective editting!

Taken out of context much? Wow, how much lower can she go? I actually can't believe that she has continued to pursue this attack.

[Danger Mouse]

326. it won't play for me...can someone summarize its content?

[DerekJ]

331. See post #128

[Danger Mouse]

335. oh, that's just GROSS>

anything to win, huh hillary?
i'm getting so sick of her...if she wins the nomination, she will have to work HARD to get me to want to vote for her.

[Duder]

332. "Hillary's campaign has no conscience"

Edwards was right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeyjmvlkvWM

[Fox Mulder]

336. I have as much respect for HRC as I do for Dubya and McCain.

None.

[GarbagemanLB]

343. 213 recs...doesn't look like Hillary's fauxtrage is working.

[Postman]

347. Who needs context? Hillary is a cheap shot scumbag.

n/t

[Bonobo]

356. 220 recs, wow. Lotsa bitterness here.

[Dystopian]

357. K&R She sucks!

She's repulsive.

[Daphne08]

358. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

I lost all respect for her long ago, but this is beneath lame.

[WillyToad]

393. I think the reaction by most in this thread is far lamer than any stupid ad

Obama supporters have degenerated into pure hatred

I will never join people who spew such filth

The democratic party is finished

[Kurovski]

411. Thank you Nostradamus.

Thanks for stopping by.

[workinclasszero]

364. She trash and shes working for the Republicans

I guess Hillary was sticking up for the middle class when she sat on Walmarts board?:puke:

Or maybe when she helped shove NAFTA down our throats?:puke:

[Zachstar]

367. Atleast she wont get the nomination at this rate.

I give Obama a 85 percent chance at getting the nomination but that is taking into account the power of the people!

If anyone has any free time and supports Obama PLEASE phonebank!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

[cui bono]

372. There's some REAL people in this video clip telling their reactions to Obama's words:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24118002#24117005

[BlueJac]

376. The NAFTA twins Bill and Hill should leave the party........

They are so Republican!

[Drunken Irishman]

377. The ad makes me laugh.

Clinton grew up in an upper-level middle class family. Heck, her family had a vacation cottage. She never worked on the streets, never lived on a working-class budget and yet she knows how it feels to be one of them. What a crock. Clinton is and always has been the true elitist in this race. At least Obama grew up with working-people and went back to the streets of Chicago, helping those same working-class citizens Hillary says he's out of touch with. Hill, baby, you're the only one out of touch with reality. Until you face the prospects of getting your job outsourced because of a trade agreement your husband signed and you supported, don't act as if you're a common folk. You're anything but common, you're cut from the same upper-class, stick it to the poor cloth as the Bush family.

[Writer]

379. Can someone please give me, in a simple sentence, what exactly is wrong about this ad?

:shrug:

[DaveT]

386. It is dishonest and stupid by misconstruing Obama's words

while offering an idiotic rationale for voting for Rodham Clinton.

If your attention span can stand a brief explanation of the sentence you asked for -- Obama did not suggest that there was anything wrong, weak or bitter about anybody's faith. For you and your ilk to claim otherwise is a lie. A big smelly lie.

And assuming for a second that he might have mispoke and inadvertently suggested something like that, (which he did not) these participants in the commercial offer absolutely nothing of substance as to why such a comment should turn a vote. The ad is content free sneering and geering.

That is why hundreds of DUers are disgusted by this ad.

Why aren't you?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

429. Anyone who makes an ad like this against a Democrat is a Republican. End of story. nt

[Danger Mouse]

500. Like any explanation would satisfy YOU.

You clearly see no problem with Hillary siding with the republicans against Obama, so you're beyond help.

[TheDonkey]

381. Fuck you Hillary. eom

[Califooyah Operative]

391. WOW. NT

[anonymous171]

395. Wow. 250 recs!

[Swamp Rat]

396. Bitter sucker

:D

[fortyfeetunder]

401. Swamp, you da man!

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

404. Funny, I just found forty 'bitter' threads in the first few GD-P pages when I signed on this evening

Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter!!! :D

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:



:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Major Hogwash]

421. There's a song in that post of yours, it almost writes itself, but it's a bitter song.

It's weird seeing how bitter they are, complaining about the comments about being bitter, denying that they are bitter, and making thread after thread, post after post about it.

[Kurovski]

402. Stylish.

The nipple-headed look, just in time for summer! :D

[Swamp Rat]

405. Hee hee!

I wagered that YOU would be the first to notice that. I owe myself a treat now. :D

[Kurovski]

409. Awww...

Look, Bush is regressing...again.

He's the cutest little murderous political/corporate whore I ever did see.

What a shame it would be if we didn't put yet another political whore in the White House. :-( Gosh...I sure wish there was some way to keep a whore in charge...SAY! I know what, Swamp...let's vote for Hillary Clinton!!!

[Swamp Rat]

412. "The Cutest Little Murderous Political Corporate Whore From Texas." - Great movie title!

:D



umm, let's not vote for Hilbo. :yoiks:

[Kurovski]

414. Only if the bunny signs on.

Babs Bunny, is it?

Ok. Let's not vote for Clinton.

It won't ever be necessary to do so.

Joke just heard on Colbert: Obama engaged in dirtiest campaign trick ever: winning 12 primaries in a row.

(or something like that.)

[Swamp Rat]

418. Let's vote for Baracko! ... He's got electrolytes!

:D

[Kurovski]

420. I could swallow a dose.

But I'd still have to vote for the mighty Wetzelbill.

[WillyT]

455. ROFLMAO !!! - You Owe Me A New Keyboard !!!

:rofl::yourock::rofl:

[bobthedrummer]

403. K&R

neocon moles in The Democratic Party also made me bitter

[Ellipsis]

406. Kickin' for 260 votes in seven hours n/t

[concerned canadian]

408. it's strange that Obama inspires and brings out the best

in people, whereas Hillary brings out feelings of hatred and divisiveness. She will get her comeupence because

(she has claimed to read the bible every day) 'you reap what you sow'. She must know, as Obama said "She knows better"

than to do this kind of conniving shit again and again and again. Not only is she a pretend Democrat, she's also a

pretend 'God fearing' woman.

[defendandprotect]

416. SAD . . .!!! And, it's time for HRC to rid off into the sunset . . . she's hurting the party --- !!

[defendandprotect]

417. Push and recommend ---

[kwenu]

419. Shame. She must of bought them before she experienced the boomerang effect.

[judasdisney]

422. Hillary Kissinger

What an uplifting ad. Realpolitik.

[Kurovski]

426. Kick for goal of 422 recommends.

C'mon, let's go here, what's the hold up? Are we waiting to get more bitter?

[FrenchieCat]

427. I'm not even going to watch it......

But based on this thread, that might be better for my blood pressure.

She can't win, one way or the other.
Someone ought to tell her she loses now or later,
but she loses regardless.

[Zachstar]

436. Yes I suggest you don't watch it unless you are healthy.

It is pure garbage in my view. 100 percent grade crap attack ad.

[suzie]

465. Hillary Attack Ad

As a Florida Democratic voter, I don't think the attack ad compares at all to Hillary's comments on the Compassion show. You know, the ones where she threw Al Gore and Kerry under the bus by describing them as elitists who didn't respect common voters.

And here I was thinking that Al Gore won in 2000.

[mahina]

439. What is this vid, "gorilla-butt ugly Pennsylvanians for Hillary?"

DAMN. My eyes.

[stevenleser]

442. K&R

[GoesTo11]

444. Isn't that Drew Carey?

Playing 2 roles. The guy without the beard, and the guy with the beard.

Does she think all Pennsylvanian men look like Drew Carey?

Wasn't he from Cleveland anyway?

HRC - Out of touch with Pennsylvanians.

[Zachstar]

445. I hope everyone shows their support for Obama against this outrageous ad. Please Phonebank!

The link to the phonebank page is at http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

[Vinca]

448. Can't wait to see Obama's ad. Maybe he'll interview duck hunters.

:rofl:

[spinbaby]

450. I saw it this morning

This thing was showing about every five minutes in Pittsburgh this morning. It reeks of desperation.

[Tarc]

451. Another shining example of why recommends should be banned from GD-P

A 306 tally popularity contest,

Great ad, btw. :thumbsup:

[Bonobo]

453. Wrong. If that were true, other OPs would get that. I never saw anything NEAR this number!

[Tarc]

456. Some flavors of kool-aid are tastier than others

[Bonobo]

457. I give you good grades on the extended metaphor, but that's it.

This has touched a HUGE nerve.

[Danger Mouse]

466. Too bad, so sad.

DUer's have made their voices heard...that this kind of gutter politics is unacceptable.

[YOY]

458. Way to steer the public towards a Republican win from seemingly impossibility

and exactly how he is more "elitist" than she and McSame I fail to fathom.

[Independent-Voter]

461. What a fucking idiot. This is the most tone-deaf, ham-fisted campaign I've ever seen

Anyone still supporting Veruca after this campaign needs their heads examined.

[GoneOffShore]

462. They look like actors to me - with scripted lines

I call bullshit on HRC.

K&R

I don't know why she doesn't change change her initials to DLC.

[lazyriver]

464. That is really beyond despicable.

She reeks of desperation.

[DeschutesRiver]

467. If I didn't already know she wasn't presidential material,

this low rent ad shot would have pushed me in that direction. My goodness, what is she thinking? I actually laughed out loud when I saw it, and thought "desperation makes some people act out in stupid ways." And then I remembered she isn't the smart woman I used to think she was, just another power hungry technician type. She can't run a campaign, she barely ran her senate offices, she could no more run a country than she could her own budget. Buh-bye.

Somebody get this woman something else to do - some routine job, far away from real responsibility. This is getting embarassing to watch. The only consolation is that I am certain Ms. Legend in her Own Mind is just gnashing her teeth and raging over why otherwise stupid voter base is getting smarter on the issues, and turning away from her.

[uponit7771]

469. K&R

[EnviroBat]

472. I was listening to the asshats on the Bill Press show this morning.

Continuing to bring up this bullshit. Saying that the concern now is that Barack can't "close" the deal. How the fuck can he "Close the Deal" when this loser of a republican refuses to go away with any dignity left intact? Any little shred of speech, (taken once again out of context), and the Clinton camp is on him like rabid dogs. She is petty and small, and NOT fit to lead this country.

[George II]

473. Why do people here have to start their post subjects with the frantic "OMG", or "Oh. My. God,"

Do they REALLY think it will cause more people to read them? I think not.

[AllexxisF1]

474. My God.

How on Earth could any self respecting Democrat support an ad like that in the primary election period of their own party member.



Absolutely, positively despicable.



When our presumed Nominee becomes the nominee their had better be some knee groveling apologies from many in the Hillary camp.


Despicable.

[helderheid]

476. Holy shit.

[DevonRex]

477. Yep, she's trash alright. And she's an asshole. nt

[K Gardner]

478. Rec #327 for "Hillary is trash". Wow.

[Bonobo]

484. I've never seen anything like it. Bad ad idea. It will hurt her.

Her "bitch" side may appeal to her supporters, but it makes everyone else like her less and less and less.

[parkeradison]

480. Regarding Hillary ad

Look out, here come the Clintons.

[ToughLuck]

481. DESPERATE HILLARY STRIKES AGAIN..and she thinks Obama is bitter..LOL

Hillary still can't get over the fact that she is being challenged, I can't wait for this freaking primary to be over.

[Yael]

482. She is a whore and I officially hate her

Just to put that on the record.

[disndat]

491. counter-productive

A dirt throwing ad, shows she's desperate, and won't stick.

[toys4kitty]

493. Wow -

Every time I think that the lowest point has been reached, she is able to dig down in the chasm of her humanity and pull something more vile and just dumb out. :puke:
How in the world does she think this is going to help her?
I too remember a time when voting for her wouldn't have been a bad thing for my conscience. If it somehow manages to come down to a possible vote for her now, I don't know if I can
convince my conscience or my soul that I won't rot in eternal purgatory for selecting her.

I'm also scratching my head in amazement that there are still some Hillary supporters that don't think this kind of thing is out of line. And if this one instance doesn't light the fire in you, what about looking back at all the times she has
employed the more Republican-esque type of attacks/messages (3:00 am and the one in the op)
or reversed her stances on issues now that she's a candidate (NAFTA/Iraq war)
or her willingness to openly alienate the states that she knows she's not going to win (Bill didn't win that one either)
or alienate the types of voters she's not going to have big numbers in (prius driving, latte drinking, trust fund babies?)
When has it ever been respected to join the opposing side in destroying a member of your own party? AREN'T WE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE FIGHTING FOR THE SAME THING - TAKING BACK THE WHITEHOUSE?

I for one am now through the hate and anger stage of my grief. I now pity her. I feel sorry for her that she apparently has no idea what she is doing to herself or this country.

The positive side is, the longer she continues this frantic desperation, the more people see what she is truly capable of and she is losing credibility every day.
She now has no-one to blame but herself- Others may come up with the ideas to produce these dumb-ass ads or to have Republican-eese in her speeches, but she's the one who makes the judgment calls on what to include and if she's going to run with the ideas or not.

This is NOT what I or anyone else I personally know wants from the Commander in Chief. Have we really learned nothing in the past 7 years?


:kick:

[mdmc]

495. kick

for the sig!
RIP JERRY

[snooper2]

496. Hillary Clinton..

Is a fucking bitch....

[Exultant Democracy]

503. She is trash tht is right.

[cyberpj]

511. FYI - The clinton clip doesn't play. but the others do. (for me, anyway.) nt

[Fyddlestyx]

512. K & R

And particularly vile,repellent trash at that.

:puke:

[paulk]

513. this ad will resonate with a lot of people

and that's the truth of it.

[GihrenZabi]

519. But with which kind of people? N/T

[paulk]

535. Democrats who don't see Obama through the rose colored

glasses that most here on the Obama Underground use. Democrats who take their guns and their religion seriously and won't appreciate Obama's belittling remarks on the subject.

Democrats who see the left wing of the party as a bunch of elitist out of touch snobs.

[JimGinPA]

514. I Normally Don't Recommend A Thread When The OP Shamelessly Requests It...

But I did anyway because that ad is trash.

[Maddy McCall]

515. It's a good ad.

When your political opponent fucks up, you use it to your advantage.

Nothing new about this....nothing disgusting about it.

I'm guessing that there are 350 people on DU who've never been involved in politics before--first elections for y'all?

[GihrenZabi]

518. *rolls eyes*

That's Machiavellian logic if I ever heard it...it's not new, therefore it's not disgusting?

No. It's disgusting. It was disgusting the first time it was done, and it'll be disgusting the last time it is done. By anyone.

[gdurfor]

520. How dare she

Tell the truth in an ad. That's totally unacceptable. She should lie about building villages for the children and not knowing her husband is a philanderer

[Kurovski]

521. We're tired of it, Maddy.

We'd like all this to change. This is the kind of crap Al Gore talks about. It is old politics.

Many young people reject it. Can we finally grow up politically and put an end to it?

It is indeed disgusting and it won't end until people call it what it is, and call out the candidates who engage in it.

It is a dishonest ad, and Clinton is whoring. She is whoring when she pretends to be church-going, gun-shooting bar fly. She's getting called-out.

[lutefisk]

539. Tired of it. It's unacceptable and more than a little discouraging...

...that someone representing my political party is taking the win-by-any-means approach. Her campaign is doing what Republicans are known for, only less skillfully.

It's getting close to the point where I honestly don't know if I will be able to hold my nose and vote for Clinton if she is the nominee.

[Kurovski]

547. I definitely will be voting Dem.

but it looks like she's out after PA.

Party heads may have to step in after PA. This is a nightmare.

[madwivoter]

517. IF I was a Hillary Clinton supporter who has donated money to her camp...

I'd be pissed that she's burning precious dollars putting together and airing yet another completely negative ad which does nothing positive for her (only makes her look bad and, wait for it...bitter).

Both of the Clintons can PUAR. :mad:

[mcollier]

522. Our Future First Lady...

I just attended a Michelle Obama Campaign event in York, Pa... It was incredible the number of standing ovations she received. She was magnificient... She

spoke like "real fokes" speak. I was impressed by her ability to speak to issues that were spot one with regard to the challenges that my entire family

faces, from my grandparents, to my parents, to my self and wife, down to my kids...

After the event while standing in the lobby, a teary eyed senior couple walked up to me, grapped me by the hand and said, "I am so glad I am hear today, so

glad"... They had just learned who Barack and Michelle Obama are, not by the media pundits, but by Michelle Obama herself.

There was applause after applause after applause throughout Michelle Obama's 60 + minute speech where she called for change and described the lack of

empathy in our government officials... What a leader our future first lady promises to be.

[FOS]

523. I agree

Her ad reminds me of the Anti-Harold Ford Ad. The setting is similar.
I am so pissed off at her .


:grr: :mad:

[meow mix]

524. K&R

[Spoonman]

525. After reading most of the above responses,

I have to agree with the likes of rush limpdick and shawn calamity.

DAMN all of you for that!

We are tearing ourselves apart, and the CRITICAL (can't win without them) swing voters are turning away from this chaos.

Mark my words and remember this day - We will lose in November, and will have no one to blame but ourselves.

[K Gardner]

526. We have no one to blame but Hillary "ITS MINE AND IF I CANT HAVE IT NO ONE CAN AND I"LL

TAKE THE WHOLE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOWN WITH ME", attitude.

She's done in this party.

[uponit7771]

529. After they get a TRUE wiff of bomb bomb bomb Iran McSame they'll turn back quickly

[Kurovski]

537. Swing voters are losing jobs, going hungry,

can't pay for gas, heat their homes, losing houses, and on and on it goes.

They can't afford to turn away from any little chance for survival they have. The days of being a political fussbudget are rapidly drawing to a close for many Americans.

New voters are registering in record numbers, and Obama is a big reason for that.

Mark these words: If we will lose again in '08, it will be for the same reason it's been since 2000: Electronic election theft.

People are hurting out here, and well, I say "Damn you" for being so cold and clueless and trying to suppress the expression of legitimate anger and frustration.

And finally, there is nothing...and I repeat NOTHING more right-wing and "Limbaugh-like" than saying "We will lose in November, and will have no one to blame but ourselves", with no explanation of WHAT that means and HOW exactly that works. It's positively troll-like. And I'm sure you didn't intend that.

[Spoonman]

544. Positively troll-like?

No I didn't intend that.

But sorry for offending you BY EXERCISING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FUCKING SPEAK!

And thank you for so clearly illustrating the vile anger and division that has developed within this party, and is turning voters away from it.

By the way did I mention ANY candidate in my post, NO.

Why, because both sides are guilty of the same shit!

I vote a straight "Dem" ticket anyway, so I really don't give a fat rats ass who gets the nomination!

[Kurovski]

546. It is not turning voters away.

The trend is MORE voters signing up and they are signing up as Dem. It started in the '04 election and continues. But I'm not going to pretend that the new voters are signing up because of all the arguing. :-)

I'm voting straight Dem as well. I do care about who gets it, but I will definitely be voting Dem.

[Kurovski]

530. Kick.

:kick:

[BearSquirrel2]

532. It's a misquote ...

It's a half misquote taken out of context to boot.

Hillary may not be bringing health care to the entire nation, but she certainly is taking the southern strategy to the entire nation.

[David__77]

538. Oh wow this is terrible...

I'm so glad she won't be on the ballot in November. The good thing is that we can really seal the coffin on the Clintonite "Third Way" for good.

[ElboRuum]

540. Once again she proves whose side she's on...

...her own. No one else's.

Oh, the lies... those painful lies she keeps telling. Oh, sorry, I forgot, a sin of omission is not a sin.

[ElboRuum]

541. Once again she proves whose side she's on...

...her own. No one else's.

Oh, the lies... those painful lies she keeps telling. Oh, sorry, I forgot, a sin of omission is not a sin.

[uponit7771]

543. People need to see this

[Az_lefty]

545. the people in that add are pathetic...

their too stupid to be bitter or concerned, probably supported bush's war.

[RobertSeattle]

555. Clinton/Liebermann 2008!

[Kurovski]

558. Kick.

:kick:

[Kurovski]

559. Kick. (nt)

[K Gardner]

561. See your kick and raise you one. Can we get 400 recs?

[Kurovski]

562. It's too late now. The rec period is over.

I did my best, and everytime I kicked it, it got more recs, but I just couldn't manage to stay awake all night. :-) :crazy:

I wrote some awful goofy crap in here just to keep it kicked! :hi:

Now I must go have a rest. My seething, elitist and bitter Hillary hate for the day is done.

[Kahuna]

564. Wow! 381 recommends. Too back I didn't get to recommend it too.

x(

[Zachstar]

573. Looks like Clinton completely failed with this ad! Yet do not assume anything!!

Please Continue to phonebank as we move forward towards may!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

[meow mix]

575. she has no morels

x(

[TankLV]

580. She's RIGHT on this...face it obama LOST this one in the ENTIRE COUNTRY...

He's lost this one just like the ASSHOLE BIGOTED preacher scandal...

and REZKO...

and all the others...

only YOU obamabots don't/refuse to see it...

[anonymous171]

582. And yet he's beating her the national polls and HER negatives are higher than ever.

[GarbagemanLB]

583. Apparently the polls don't see it either. Obama 51, Hillary 40....

[Kurovski]

585. It's a case of the old

"who should we believe? You, or our own lying eyes?"

We know that the old republican playbook says this should have worked in her favor, but it has done the opposite. The old way of politics is dying along with the Clinton campaign. And it looks like Obama will be able to handle the similarly styled and filthy, phony campaign that war-whore McCain is likely to run.

[DemGa]

589. After months of systematic character assassination from St. Obama's campaign -- one word

Hypocrisy.

[Yes We Did]

590. I don't think her campaign can help that they're so stupid n/t

[academico77]

592. her advisers should tell her this is hurting her, not Obama

Poll after poll show Obama surging not only against her, but against the other candidate who bashed him: John McCain. She's playing a losing game.