Barack Obama would never run a Bosnia-gate hit ad against Hillary Clinton

[rhombus]

That folks, is the difference between one candidate who is thinking long term about the Democratic Party and victory in November, and another candidate who will do and say anything even at great cost to our party and our chance to defeat McCain.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. No

because he's smart enough to know that's a non-issue that doesn't affect voters. But many here urged him to, though. NOw those same people are pretending to be upset that clinton's running an ad against Obama.

[jenmito]

2. Wrong. He just has too much class. Lying like she did is a MUCH bigger issue than saying

something truthful in a clumsy way.

[Tellurian]

13. A picture is worth 1000 words.. You call this class?

I call it what it is: ARROGANCE!

[smiley_glad_hands]

25. What do you call it when a dem uses republican frames

to attack a fellow dem and damages the party and the progressive movement at the same time? Traitor? Republican? Freeper?

Mind you these aren't just any old republican frames, these are the ones responsible for the mess are country is in now. Denial is not a river in Egypt. Repugs have been dividing the working and middle class since the 60's to the benefit of the true elite in this country.

[Tellurian]

26. Practice!

[smiley_glad_hands]

28. So its true then, Hill will destroy the party in order to win the nomination. eom

[Tellurian]

31. If thats what it takes to save the country!

so be it!

You are aware the DNC has NEVER WON and election?

And you are aware, the Party never dies?

Good! You've just been promoted to Poly102..

[smiley_glad_hands]

35. How republican of you. At least you are honest. Disgusting, but honest.

On edit, i feel like i've just met karl rove. I need a shower now.

[Tellurian]

41. It's got nothing to do with being Republican..

Or haven't you figured that out yet?

The entire DNC is Supporting Obama...

[bvar22]

39. "SIR! ...WE had to destroy the village....

...in order to save the village". :nuke:

Please Hillary, don't try to "save" the Democratic Party.
We'll muddle through.
Go "save" the Republican Party. They NEED you.

"And you are aware, the Party never dies?

Good! You've just been promoted to Poly102."---Tellurian

Phone up the Whig Party or the Bull Moose Party.
When you get back to me, YOU will be ready for promotion to Poly103.




"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Tellurian]

42. Oh, my... throwing a tanturm are we?

[InfiniteNether]

27. Lol, tool. Is this all you got?

[movonne]

30. Maybe he's smelling something bad....

[jenmito]

32. Yes. He has more class in his little finger than Hillary has in her entire body.

[rhombus]

4. people are rightfully upset with Hillary right now

How is she not damaging a likely nominee? This attack ad is beyond the pale.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. All the attacks on Clinton

thus far have been attacks on a possible nominee. Obama doesn't get immunity by being slightly ahead.

This is politics. Obama said something I'm sure he regrets, and it's being used, properly, against him. She's trying to win. She doesn't owe it to Obama to excuse his fuckups.

[rhombus]

9. to put up an ad over this? C'mon.

No one is asking that Hillary go soft on Obama or vice versa. The question is -- To what degree are you willing to go to damage your opponent on the Democratic side, who's going to face McCain in the fall?

This ad coming from Hillary is way beyond the pale.

[MercutioATC]

Actually, "snipergate" speaks to Clinton's honesty and judgement.

If she had really just "misspoken" once, as she and Bill claim, I agree...it would be a non-issue.

However, she completely fabricated the story, told it FOUR TIMES, and then lied about the reason for telling it.


Calling her on it is absolutely fair game, in my opinion...and it wouldn't be a "non issue" to a lot of people...

[gabeana]

12. Her lying is a trend its who she is as a politician

that is an issue, but he has too much class

[tabasco]

34. Integrity and honesty. Non-issues.

Typical pap from a Hillbot.

[ingac70]

3. And that pisses me off...

you can't win by being nice.

If it was me I'd show that sound byte over and over until that heinous witch dropped out.

[oasis]

6. He would, however, empower his surrogates to play the race card prior to the SC primaries.

:think:

[Quixote1818]

21. You have it back-wards. The Obama campaign doesn't want to go near race baiting

because then he gets labeled the "black candidate". Time and time again, Hillary's campaign has been caught race-baiting and it's been documented each time.

I use to like Hillary until she started the race-baiting crap.

[Quixote1818]

23. .

[bvar22]

40. Like Hillary, you have "misremembered".

It was Bill Clinton who played the Race Card in South Carolina.

This correction of your post is FREE.
No Charge.

[cornermouse]

7. You have got to be kidding.

:rofl:

He was ridiculing Hillary about her statement that her grandfather took her out behind the barn and taught her to shoot. Those of us who live in the midwest (again) are frequently taught to load and unload a gun, how to aim by a parent and engage in target practice when young whether we go hunting later or not. He's not going to score any brownie points in the midwest on this one either. I'm starting to think he has no idea who he's talking about or to.

In fact, I'll go further. He has "misled" people about his maternal grandmother, about his childhood and poverty, about his experience.

[Arrowhead2k1]

15. He wasn't demeaning people who use guns at all.

He was mocking Hillary for spewing this story about her shooting a duck in an attempt to impress the blue collar voters like she was one of them. It was transparently laughable.

[cornermouse]

44. I know exactly what he said.

I watched him say it on tv and you're wrong.

[Mags]

8. what are you smoking? He would do or say anything to beat her.

It is politics, remember.

[LSparkle]

11. Why has he not spent more of his VAST war chest on negative ads, then?

He CERTAINLY has the money to do it -- why have we not seen some of
these negative ads on "Hardball" or Fixed Noize or elsewhere? Had
he done them, I'm sure we would have seen them nationally, thanks to
the pundit shows. Haven't seen one.

[Bensthename]

18. Pull the needle out of your arm. Drugs are bad.

[Mags]

22. so is following false Gods.

[anonymous171]

10. Now he should. I don't give a shit anymore. He needs to get fuck her up.

[cali]

20. I know just the ad for him to run

"Hillary Clinton says she's against the Columbia Trade deal, but how can she exercise independent judgment on trade when she's benefitted from nearly a million dollars in personal family income from President Clinton promoting that deal? She said she was against it as one of her closest advisors was working with the Columbian Government to pass this damaging trade pact. Hillary says she's not a free trade proponent in spite of her history of promoting NAFTA. Can you trust her?"

[tblue]

14. So maybe MoveOn ought to. I am so fed up with Hillary, I could spit.

[Bensthename]

16. And that is why will voted Obama and never Hillary.

[Coexist]

17. I'm beginning to think he should

I'm so pissed at her right now.

[elocs]

19. I think the difference is that Obama is not willing to throw anything and everything at Clinton.f

Hillary wants to join herself at the hip with her husband--all of his experiences were evidently hers also (well, most of them), but she cherry picks only the good experiences and disregards anything that is even remotely questionable. I am sure that Obama would have a ton of stuff to bring up if he wanted to do it, but I don't think that he is willing to win at any and all costs.

After Wisconsin, Obama was clearly in a commanding position and on his way to the nomination. It was Clinton who has did and said everything she could, trashing and throwing mud at every opportunity. Obama was faced with either allowing himself to be swiftboated or to answer the charges and to fight back. So I think it is clear that it was Clinton who chose to take the low road in this campaign. They are like 2 quarterbacks competing for the starting position on the same team, but Clinton is willing to break Obama's legs to get the job, even if it hurts the team in the regular season (the general election).

[Quixote1818]

24. I am an Obama supporter, however Obama must be careful attacking Clinton

and he knows it. He needs Clinton voters in November and if he attacks her too hard he will lose them.

Obama is in between a rock and a hard place. She can attack him constantly and he basically has to take it or let his surrogates attack for him.

[RBInMaine]

37. BULLSHIT ! She drew first blood ! You never, ever allow yourself to get swiftboated!

He hits her in an ad on NAFTA, LOBBYIST $, etc. etc. and knocks this issue right back down her throat.

[Quixote1818]

38. I agree to a point. It's too bad Hillary is pulling this crap. It is certainly going to

hurt us in November. Clinton and Obama supporters are beginning to despise one another and their candidates with such disdain, there may be no way to patch things up.

[KaptBunnyPants]

29. Obama would have quit a long time ago.

ANYONE would have quit a long time ago, except for everyone's favorite power couple. Anyone else would have too much respect for the people, and themselves.

[Tribetime]

33. I agree for the good of the party...Edwards did.

[RBInMaine]

36. Yeah, but he needs to BLAST her as the REAL "elitist" in an ad about NAFTA, Lobbyist $, WalMart, etc

I think she is going to screw herself in the end by overplaying this hand.

[RiverStone]

43. I disagree

There come a point in time when you can no longer ignore a bully.

Obama has taken the high road, but Hillary is throwing wild punches and Obama is in a position to deliver a knock out.

This battle needs to end - he has already won - but the MSM wants to keep it going.

If going negative ends it and allows the healing to begin, millions of dollars and volunteer hours to be saved - and our focus to shift to the GE - do it!

Enough already!

In fact, I suggested fighting her negative PA ad with:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5505814&mesg_id=5505814

[AtomicKitten]

45. He could rub her face in that and NAFTA.

But he won't. He has run a spectacular campaign and doesn't need to match her ugly with more ugly. He just tells the truth and, so far, she hasn't quite grasped what's hit her.