Hillary just lost any hope for 2012.

[adoraz]

This woman is a dumbass.

She can't understand very basic logic.

I think its pretty obvious that if Obama loses the General Election, Democrats will be extremely angry in 2012, ESPECIALLY those who strongly support Obama. EVERYONE will blame her. Count on her getting a ridiculously low percent of black voters. She won't get past the primaries.

People have been referring to her as Huckabee. This is a poor comparison. She isn't like Huckabee, she is 100 times worse. Huckabee didn't do the dirtiest tactics possible to bring down McCain.

Really, what the hell is she thinking?

If she didn't do these below disgusting tactics, at least people wouldn't hate her as much as they do now. Thats really the big problem, and not so much her staying in the race.

I'm sorry, but she has lost 2012, 2016, whatever. People will not forgive her.


I know multiple people who think the lady is a psycho evil liar. These same people were originally supporting her. That just shows how low she has fallen.


Sorry for the rant. I will be so damn happy when Obama finally defeats this son of a bitch. :)

Come on Gore, Nancy, Carter, etc... FORCE HER OUT SOON! I can't take this anymore. Now I am always stressed out seeing polls between Obama and McCain. I just hope he survives.

I can't believe how kind Obama has been to her. Any other politician would have killed her by now.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Oh Don't Think She's Dumb

But she is a very, very angry narcissist.

[democrattotheend]

2. The undeclared superdelegates should get together

and tell her that they will endorse Obama en masse tomorrow if she does not get http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Clinton_Pennsylvania.html">this piece of trash off the air.

[Diane R]

5. I agree. Five SD's a day should endorse Obama, until she's flown off on her broom.

[gateley]

3. Once there's just the two nominees,

one-on-one, we'll nail McCain. Don't worry.

[leftofcool]

4. "Any other politician would have killed her by now."

Are you suggesting bodily harm to one of our Senators?

[cliffordu]

17. Get a grip.

If he wasn't absolutely a class act he would have hammered her relentlessly for Colombia, special interests, NAFTA, Bosnia...etc, etc, etc.....

Thanks for the non-sequitur, and the waste of electrons

[babylonsister]

21. You are joking, right? Oye, probably not. Ridiculous.

Think before you type!

[adoraz]

23. yeah it was such a dumb reply...

that I didn't even want to bother.

[krkaufman]

50. a ridiculous statement. n/t

[JackORoses]

51. no, but I wouldn't mind seeing a shit-tossing monkey turned loose on her

[IsItJustMe]

52. A little touchy today, are we.

[uponit7771]

6. Come on...dumbass might be to str....nah....she's a dumbass

[thoughtcrime1984]

7. Yeah, I don't understand why the SD's don't try to preserve the Dems chances in Nov.

Step forward and be counted, this is getting too ugly to wait until June. The states remaining can still vote as they have always been able to in past primaries. This woman has no future in the WH whatsoever. That should be obvious to anyone with half of a brain. Obama has been very soft on her so far, but after her latest shitty ad in PA, the gloves may finally come off. "Annie Oakley" will look like a unicorn compared to what he COULD say.

[IsItJustMe]

53. I think they are scared shitless. No guts. They want to be on the winning side of things, and

until it's truly self-evident of who the nominee will be, they are going to keep a low profile and stay in hiding.

[Median Democrat]

8. That Is A Naive Point Of View

Who is the likely 2012 contender that Hillary could not turn into a pretzel? In a negative campaign, who could out-neg her? In a positive campaign, she would eat the opposing pansie for lunch? Also, if she wins the Democratic nomination, and McCain has bombed Iran and we are in our third or fourth war, would you really vote for Ralph Nader?

No, you are going to suck it up, and vote for Hillary Clinton in 2012 just like I plan to do.

[adoraz]

12. no, you have no idea who will run again in 2012.

If someone like Gore runs, which is very possible, she will have no chance in hell.

Just look at this year though. How many people knew Obama last year? Not very many. He beat Hillary though.

Someone will beat her. Democrats would not elect her, she is way too disliked now.

She will not be forgiven by the majority of Democrats.

[papau]

25. There is a Ridiculous level of Hillary hate on DU so a discussion is not possible - but

thanks for trying to have a discussion - and welcome to DU.

[Liberal Gramma]

26. Over my dead body

If she's playing this game to give the election to the Rep's just so she has a clear field in 2012, she'd better run as an Independent, because the Dems WON'T HAVE HER!

[Median Democrat]

34. So, If McCain Invades Iran . . .

You'd vote for Nader, and hand the election over to McCain just because you are ticked about Hillary? Hillary is a very smart and shrewd politician. She wants to be President,and she is ruthless in her ability to get it. Do you want an idealistic President who can't get anything done or a President who can ruthlessly achieve her goals?

If Obama wins, Hillary has little chance of ever winning the Presidency. Do you agree or disagree?

However, if McCain wins, don't you agree that she is the favorite for the Democratic nomination in 2012? Yes. Therefore, the rationale choice is to implicitly support McCain threw references to McCain's experience and "legendary" status. Do you think that Hillary is saying this on accident? No.

This is why I am impressed with Hillary's strategic approach. She is already planting the seeds for a 2012 win, rathert han hanging it up early for the so-called good of the party. Gore could not win. Kerry could not win. And Obama and his so-called grass roots approach is about to go down in a flame of Fox News/Clinton talking points.

This is the world we live in. You can wish otherwise, but reality will contradict you. You have entire news networks dedicated to pundity, and this idea of a grass roots campaign is anachronistic. You need corporate support to win the Presidency, and Hillary has that. Also, she is shrewd, not war crazy like her Republican counter-parts.

Let me give you another example, do you think that Hillary's comparing herself to Rocky Balboa in PA is an accident? No, she is sending a message to white votes. Now, don't get all indignant. Remember Bill Clinton and Sista Soulja? Unlike Obama, Hillary can offer white voters that wink-wink appeal that she is really on their side againt militant minorities while also appearing at Mariachi festival the next day to stump for votes. Hillary does not need Sista Soulja. She has Barrack Obama.

That's called politics, and only Hillary has the strategy and discipline to take on the Karl Roves of the world in today's political environment.

[Liberal Gramma]

40. If Obama doesn't win in 2008

McCain will be president whether we like it or not. I will campaign for ANY DEMOCRAT except Hillary to take over in 2012. Yes, she's smart. And yes, she knows politics. I require something more from a candidate: integrity. She has proven that she is totally lacking in this characteristic. The wink-wink to this white woman turns my stomach.

[verges]

46. Uh...

Gore did win.

[AllentownJake]

35. Welcome to DU

I for one will remember and hopefully in a higher income bracket as well...so all the money I've given to Obama so far multiply by 50% and add that to her strongest challenger. Multiply me by 1.5 million.

[verges]

43. I plan

on Obama for re-election in 2012.

[CakeGrrl]

9. Maybe she assumes the voters' selective memories will function like hers come 2012

Not this one. Every dirty trick she's played will be well-remembered if she has the nerve to try to run again.

I'd be surprised if she got much comeraderie in the Senate. How comfortable would you be working with someone whom you've seen sink to these depths to try to win?

[AJH032]

10. Everyone will blame her for Obama losing?

outside of your fantasy world, I don't think so.

[adoraz]

15. fantasy world? turn on the news.

Praising McCain while bashing Obama at the same time sounds great for the party, don't you think?

Her ad today was an all time low, and that will hurt Obama in the GE.

She is a Republican. No, she is worse than a Republican.

[AllentownJake]

37. I'll blame her

and so will most Obama supporters...we trend younger so more of us will be around than her supporters in 2012. Circle of life and all.

[AJH032]

49. I won't

and neither will most people, I predict.

oh, and I'm 21. Sorry I don't fit in with our demographic.

[AllentownJake]

54. Well

After this weekend I heard the I'll never vote for her in person from people I respect and know more than I've heard it yet.

[rug]

11. Why? Her reelection is a shoo-in.

[adoraz]

16. just like this year was, huh? edit: nvm

just saw you wrote reelection. nevermind, I thought you meant rerun.

[Rageneau]

13. If Obama's "all that," why can't he put her away himself?

Why can't Obama defeat Hillary fair and square according to the rules? Why does he need all of you people to shriek and stamp and hurl slanders at Hillary in hopes thatr she will drop out of the race and do for him what he cannot do for himself -- win this thing outright.

You people are now trying to preemptively blame Hillary for Obama losing to McCain. That's like blaming one playoff team for not doing all it can to defeat its opponent.

No playoff team should quit before the final gun, and neither should any candidate.

[adoraz]

14. open up your eyes.

I really hope you realize just how low her campaign has sunk.

Why can't he defeat her? Neither can get to the magic number before the Convention, thats why.

Hillary won't quit. It doesn't matter that its next to impossible for her to win. She wants to DESTROY the party.

[verges]

47. People wouldn't be saying it

if Senator Clinton weren't utilizing an ugly scorched earth, kitchen sink, negative campaign. If she were still in and playing cleaner, I don't think near as many folk would object to her sticking it out to the bitter end. She'd probably be doing better too!

[whistle]

18. I'm wondering if there will even be an election in 2012 in the U.S.

[ginnyinWI]

19. You could say that she'll be the new Nader. n/t

[oasis]

20. She's focused on 2008. Moreso now since the breaking of "bittergate".(eom)

[babylonsister]

22. I have to agree with everything you said.

:hi:

[Hamlette]

24. At least we now know it was Hillary and not Penn who was nasty.

My mom voted for her in the primary and is FURIOUS. She'd sent her money since she announced her bid for Senator and we don't live anywhere NEAR NY. She will NEVER see any money from any of us.

She is a monster.

[terrell9584]

27. She never had hope for 2012

This was/is/and remains the only year she can be viable. The only year. It's why she is going for broke. Should McCain win, there will be a whole new crop of potential Democratic candidates such as Henry of OK, Warner and Webb of VA, Wes Clark could very easily do it, this country likes to elect generals, and there are people like Lincoln and Landrieu who will happily take up the reigns as the leaders of women if Hillary blows it.

This is her chance and it is her only chance. One thing about the Democratic Party that has proven true is that they rarely give a requiem to people who have not pulled it off in the past, unless it's a situation where they believe the election will be lost anyway (and that only refers to 1956, when Stevenson was run again even as it was obvious that Eisenhower just couldn't be beat)

In actual truth, this will also probably be the only year Obama can run. Apparently, he does have armor chinks and if he fails to pull it off now, he will have accomplished one thing, paving the way for another black candidate to do well, and if he tries a second time, he may find himself being challenged by candidates such as Artur Davis, Harold Ford Jr., and quite possibly Thurbert Baker, who I really think could become the first black governor of Georgia.

So for both of them, this is go time. They do it now or they don't. Hillary seems to realize this and that's why she is doing everything she can, Obama probably needs to realize it. America very rarely gives second chances. Only reason Gore got one is that there was a belief in some quarters that he would have beat Bush in '88 and because Clinton did tap him to be VP. No one else from 88 was ever again a viable candidate. Candidates from '68 and '72 found themselves swept by Carter, no one was willing to give Humphrey a second go. For both of them, it's go time. The Republican Party will usually bring back candidates who faltered in the past, the Democratic Party usually never does.

[Texasgal]

28. I think you are being purposely nasty.

Sheesh... as an Obama supporter I find this type of rhetoric appaling... We are ALL democrats.. we ALL want the same things...

Stop being purposely nasty. It sucks and it is unbecoming.

[bigwillq]

29. There's no way she should run in 2012

Because if Obama is the nominee, and then president, there's no way anybody's going to support her bid.

If she does not win the nod this year, I don't see how she could ever run again.

[LWolf]

30. "Force her out."

If there's any "forcing" done, I sure as hell it's done to both these candidates, and we end up with someone else in November.

Someone who can win, and someone who would make a decent president.

I don't see that in either of the current two.

[Arugula Latte]

31. The Clinton name is now Mud..

..thanks to the behavior of Hill AND Bill this campaign season.

It makes me sad ... I saw Bill inaugurated in Jan. '03. I stood in the cold, crisp DC air and cheered.

[AtomicKitten]

32. She is suffering from a bad case of dumbassery.

Her hubris and balls-out campaign without conscience give us permission to find it entertaining.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. Wow - you are so right. She will never win again. If she wanted

a fighting chance in the future she would have gracefully bowed
out on Mar 4 evening and kept her (Bill's) word that TX was
the turning point. I, for one, would have given her a second
look - MAYBE. But now, never, ever, never. She is a Machiavellian
shyster.

[AZBlue]

36. She's also lost any chance for re-election to the Senate.

She's done.

[StevieM]

38. Obama hasn't been kind. He has said horrible things about her. And those people you mention

can't force Hillary out of the race. She is entitled to stay on the ballot and to campaign for as long as she chooses. The elections stop on June 3. If Obama wants to end it early he can win Pennsylvania.

Steve

[verges]

48. But yet,

he has never said that McCain was more qualified than her.

And don't be surprised if he does take PA.

[DesEtoiles]

39. .

[workinclasszero]

41. I still think she is going to jump parties

Hell Hillary sounds like your average reich wing thug already and shes helping no one but her good pal McCain.

[IndianaGreen]

42. She is finished in the Senate as well!

I hope and pray for a progressive challenge to her Senate seat in the Democratic primary.

[rodeodance]

44. oh NOZ ...........

not AGAIN!! every week someone says that........

[Archnemesis]

45. She wasn't going to win 2012 anyway

When a candidate loses a primary, it's hard to come back. With the exception perhaps of McCain.