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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:15 AM
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Nativism in the 2008 Election
There has been some confusion about Senator Barack Obama’s comments on rural culture which I would like to address this morning. He had commented on a concept known as "nativism," which has a interesting history in the United States. In general, nativism is defined by the tensions that are created when a population with historic roots in an area believes that their culture is threatened by people who are "different" moving into the area.

I live in rural, upstate New York. Nativism is part of our history, and something I came to experience first-hand growing up. And because nativism has closely connected to economic stress, I am aware of it today in the area where I live.

One of the problems with some DU discussions about Obama’s comments is that some people incorrectly interpret them as saying rural people are racist. But nativism and racism are not the same thing. Let’s start by taking a look at an interesting historical example that shows the differences.

In the late 1800s, the dominant culture in this area was defined by the "Protestant work ethic," which held the promise of success for those who were devote Christians, dedicated to hard work, and disciplined in "saving for a rainy day." However, the final quarter of the century was marked by national economic shifts, and unemployment, poverty, depression and despair became very common in this area.

Pre-Civil War farms in the area were self-sufficient units; the war created a dramatic shift to larger dairy farms, which exported milk products to cities. The banking industry began to have a hold on the farms in the region. Farmers had to deal with issues including the weather and market prices in order to make a living on the land that their father and grandfather had handed down to them. The banker did not have the same emotional investment in that soil.

It wasn’t just the farmers. In 1893, more than 1200 area residents were employed in factories in the largest local town, Norwich. The industries were located along the transportation routes, which included the canal and the railroads (which were putting the canals out of business). In 1894, a national economic depression caused large cut-backs in employment in the four largest industries. This then caused other smaller businesses to close.

1894 also saw national labor strikes, including the Pullman’s (or Deb’s) Strike. This meant that the Pennsylvania coal that our region had come to depend on was not being transported in the same quantities to our area. In that era, coal was as important as oil is today: industries used it (wood fires do not allow for metal work in industry), and many homes had changed from wood to coal for heating.

The loss of jobs, bank foreclosures, and related economic stress leads directly to increases in depression, suicide, and a spike in the local homicide rates. This is not the promise held out by that Protestant work ethic. Something else is at play here: someone else must be to blame.

Around this time, what was the first poor people’s march on Washington, DC, was being planned by a Commander Coxey. The participants were known as "Coxey’s Army." Part of the national movement included a group coming from Utica, NY, which would stop in Norwich on the way to Washington. They were hoping to get 200 recruits from this area. The local industry leaders were concerned, because the workers in one industry had gone on strike, and there were more than 600 unemployed factory workers in and around Norwich. They were afraid that Coxey’s Army could create serious problems.

The top local paper, being one of the businesses, began warning the local population to be on the look-out for "tramps, and no-gooders …. Dagos …anarchists, highbinders, and the worst class of criminals." After Commander Coxey was arrested in Washington, and the protest march ended, the newspaper continued to rant about "Jew pack peddlers … thieves, robbers, thugs, escaped convicts, (and) murderers."

Signs reading "No TRAMPS wanted in Norwich" became common, and the homeless men riding the rails were sentenced to 6 months in jail. Curiously, the inmates were used to work on the local business leaders’ family farms.

The local censuses show that there was a growing black population, especially in Norwich, after the end of the Civil War. Yet the nativism was not directed at the black residents of the area. While racism can play a role in nativism, it is important to recognize they are different.

During discussions of the events in Memphis when we discussed Martin Luther King, Jr.’s death, I wrote about the prejudice against Irish immigrant railroad workers in this area. Interestingly, when nativism was high in the late 1890s, a local judge named William Sullivan spoke out against the institutionalized oppression of the poor and non-WASP population here. Soon, there were wild rumors that Sullivan was the leader of a dangerous group of revolutionaries, and that they had a large cache of weapons hidden in the local Catholic church. This is a symptom of nativism, rather than racism.

When I was a small child, my father bought some land and began building a house for our family. We were, at the time, living four miles away; my father and his father had lived three miles away years before. Still, more than a half-dozen neighbors on the rural road put up "For Sale" signs, because they were opposed to having an Irish Catholic family living so close to them. Twenty years later, the same neighbors put up "For Sale" signs when black relatives built on land my father gave them.

In the 1980s, national economic changes began putting local "family farms" out of business. Corporate farms, including the Dream Street farms that John & Yoko made famous, bought out a significant number of family farms. This caused resentments.

The corporate farms were largely a tax shelter. In a relatively short time, they were sold to land developers, and the land that had been family farms for generations was sub-divided into plots that were sold to people from NY City and Long Island. When the new owners put up "no trespassing" signs, and refused to allow local people access to hunt and fish, there was bitterness. Hunting and fishing is part of the local culture, and people who had become used to hunting at a spot favored by their grandfather were resentful when "city people" who used the area for a vacation home denied them access.

The animosity became a part of the issues that divided small communities. It was nativism, not racism. And the sad truth is that it impacts things from local civic groups to town and county government. It isn’t "one-sided": there are "local" people who dislike "city folks" for no reason other than they are from New York City or Long Island, and "city folk" who look down their noses at local folkways and traditions.

One last point: I am not a church-goer. But others in my family are. A few years back, I was asked by members of my wife’s church to do the application to get their church on the NYS and federal register of historic places. No problem – my hobby is local history, and I am friends with people in NYSOPRHP.

No problem! My goodness! The "local" families that have ties to that church dating from 1813 were furious. They blamed the "city folk." Then they were mad at me, and insisted that I wear a name-tag when I attended meetings at the church regarding the application process. The church diaries that I had borrowed as a historian (dating from 1812 to 1920) had to be returned immediately, because I had sided with those "others."

It wasn’t racism. It was nativism. And it comes into play on issues involving local culture – including guns, fishing poles, churches, ballots, and jobs.










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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:27 AM
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1. Thanks for this--very thoughtful essay pointing out the many issues that
go into an area not welcoming newcomers. I really feel for those who are denied access to fishing and hunting spots they've used for generations. With all the varying tensions your area has been through, developers come out as definate bad guys, IMO. Fascinating history there on the situation with hobos in the late 19th C--what a handy source of cheap (free?) labor. Why do people so often go the exploitive route?

Not sure I understand the kerfuffle with your wife's church--do the members object to their church being registered as an historic site?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:24 AM
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8. The people from
this area who are/were members of the church believed that "the government" would place restrictions and/or mandates on what could/must be done to the building if it were on the NYS/US Register of Historical Places. This is a common misunderstanding. It added another layer to tensions between those from the rural background, who often take a slower more laid-back approach, and the newer residents, who wanted to do things at a quicker pace.

As the result, there was a split in the congregation, with some people leaving for another local church; some staying; and others just withdrawing from church. I know from the 200 year history of the congregation that such fractures have taken place almost on schedule every 20 years.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:37 PM
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15. Thanks for the answer--I'm sorry some thought they had to actually leave
the church. Interesting that this happens on a regular basis, for whatever reasons. The "self-renewing church."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:42 AM
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2. Amen.
Growing up Catholic in the south, I'm very aware of nativism and full knowledge of its history as well as having experienced some of it in my lifetime. Thanks for this post. I think the Alien and Seditious Act in our history is very comparable with the immigration crackdown and exploitation of the immigrant situation of today's politics. It's all a very salient echo.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:30 AM
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9. Right.
When my great grandfather brought his family here from the Old Sod, they lived for years near Nutley, NJ. Other family members lived and worked in NYC. They dealt with urban nativism. The stories of the competition that the Irish, Italians, and Jews engaged in while they attempted to secure their spot in the larger society are fascinating, particularly to me in terms of boxing history. It is no coincidence that if we look at boxing today, a significant number of the big PPV fights involve Mexican and Mexican-American fighters.

Certainly, racism can and does overlap with nativism. But, as we know with the Irish and Italians, and the Catholics and the Jews, it isn't limited to racism.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:42 AM
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3. Were The 'For Sale' Signs Just A Protest?
If the same people were still there 20 years later to put up the signs again, they either couldn't sell their places or had no intention of doing so in the first place.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:37 AM
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10. Oh, yes.
They weren't trying to sell their homes. They were simply communicating ignorance and fear.

In both cases, it took a relatively short time for people to become "neighborly." Some of the same people who had at one time use words like "micks" and "niggers" changed. I think that is one of the important things that Obama is talking about in his campaign: we can change, and learn to get along with others who appear to be different than ourselves. Even those people who are stubborn and resist the idea that other folks are going to make good neighbors and community members can change.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:56 PM
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12. It's Pretty Stunning How Suspicious People Are Of Each Other
Here we are, at the beginning of another millennium and people are still carrying on like fools and will continue to do so until we stop allowing ourselves to be persuaded by hatefulness
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:24 PM
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21. True.
It's one of those human problems that we aren't going to "solve" .... rather, it is something that we have to deal with on an on-going basis. The good news is that it is something that we can deal with, and that we can achieve very impressive results with. But it requires a heck of a lot of patience and understanding. I am hoping that this OP might help people to have a better understanding of what Barack Obama was really talking about. I think it is something that Senator Clinton really understands, although I am not as confident that it is an area that John McCain would allow himself to give serious thought to.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:45 AM
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4. Very interesting.
I always learn something when I read your essays.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:39 AM
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11. Thank you.
When DU is at its best -- even on GD-P -- we learn from one another. Hopefully we can all begin to move back in that direction.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:05 AM
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5. I have no real sympathy for nativism
What about the Indians whose blood is soaked deep in the land of the white farmers. What about the girls and women who are told to keep their mouths shut regarding politics and treatment of animals. I have no regard for the serial killers of animals who think they own the land and the animals.

Grandfathers, sons, land. No mention of the grandmothers, some of whom fled the oppressive atmosphere.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:21 PM
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16. I think the point may better be that having a better understanding of it
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 04:26 PM by MissMarple
can help us get beyond it. Any of us can fall victim to it. Knowledge can give us power, if we let it. This dovetails with Finnfan's post today on cognitive dissonance. These are human frailties and like learning disabilities, they are no respecters of intelligence.

on edit: Here's the link if you haven't seen it. It's good stuff.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5513668

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:12 PM
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18. Good points.
To begin, you are absolutely correct that I should have included more on the role/experience of women in this essay. That error belonmgs to me.

The term "nativism" in sociology was first used to describe the experience in the United States, to having immigrant populations moving into the towns and cities. It has come to be used in a more general sense.

In Native American, and indeed, all tribal life, similar patterns may be seen once humans moved beyond the scavenger/gathering phases. Once hunter/gathers in North America, for example, reached a point of river basin parochialism, then losely defined territories are identified by "the group."

In human societies, there has been a couple patterns that are of interest: first, much like the church described in the OP and first few posts, groups reach a point and divide. Thus, groups of men and women venture out for new lands. But even more common is having a male or a couple of males venture out, including for long-range hunting, trade, or simply the human desire to explore. It certainly is in the genes.

When these males meet an unknown group, there are a couple reactions. The females of the unknown group take an interest in the new males, and the group males react in a less friendly way. This has happened from 12,000 bc to the Eagles recording "New Kid in Town" (I think that was the song, anyhow).

In colonial America, the curious dynamics between red, white and black people took a course that Gary Nash described in an insightful way in the 1970s. He noted that whites viewed Indians as "wild animals," and Africans as "domestic animals." The white society felt compelled to pass laws that tried to force Indians to be absorbed by white society, and other laws to prevent Africans from having access to the benefits of the white society. There were (and are still) very odd dynamics in terms of the male-female relationships. Many white people are fully convinced that there was a female Indian -- in the early 1900s, she was identified as a "princess" -- in their family tree. Far fewer whites claim a black, brown, or yellow ancestor.

White men are common in the family tree of African-Americans who have been in the USA since the days of slavery. That is the result of one of the mosst brutal chapters of American history, and our society sometimes seems to have difficulty remembering it. In discussions about the possibility of Condi Rice running with McCain, when people say that racism would prevent the republicans from embracing her, I've reminded them that there is a very real difference between the way racist republicans view black men and women. (Also, in their view of the off-spring of a black man and white women.)

Now, I'm trying to keep this response relatively brief -- which is hard, because I could babble on for hours -- but if we fast-forward, into modern history, in this area, hunting and fishing have been associated with men more so than women. Hence, my reference to people being denied access to the land where they hunted with their fathers and grandfathers. But certainly it would be wrong to suggest that the connection to the land is exclusive or greater in men. My error if my essay implied that. Nor, of course, is nativism exclusive to males. The strange behavior in the church my wife and daughters attend could serve as a case study in that area.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:06 PM
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24. Yes
I think when it comes to romance, people much more easily get along. They don't even need to speak the same language in many instances. The rural area that my mother is from, never had any Hispanic or Black people. And there are no native Indians anywhere around there either.

I went to a hunting meeting last night, 99% males. I feel safe enough there with all the security people from the DNR, but it is surreal.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:14 AM
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6. Reading your essay, the nativism phenomenon rang familiar to me for some reason.
Then it dawned on me that I have observed what I perceive to be a bit of nativism here on DU.


Thanks H2O Man for yet another thought provoking essay.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:18 PM
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20. Right!
We have it on DU, just as surely as in any other community.

I had noticed a few of the Clinton supporters who I believe are sincere and good people, who had posted some things that suggested to me that they honestly believed Obama's comments were racist. And then some of the Obama supporters, who I know are also sincere and good people, responded to the initial error. Perhaps if people are able to put his comments in the appropriate context, we could all have a better discussion about issues that really do exists in our society today. More, it's one of the issues that we really need to discuss, and deal with. It benefits both Clinton and Obama supporters to do so.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:32 AM
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7. K&R....!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:13 PM
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19. Thank you! n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:02 PM
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13. This essay reminds me that fully half of the family owned vineyards
up north from me are for sale. There is no next generation there to take over -- or, willing to take over. It's very sad and in ten years, we won't recognize that whole area as the land will probably be sold much as the farms that you describe were.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:31 PM
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14. We're Going To Be Corporitized
into raisins if we don't do something about it
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:30 PM
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22. When I was young,
there were a lot of dairy farms around here. Now there are but a few. The laws in NYS are being manipulated to allow the huge corporate farms that Robert Kennedy, Jr., has warned about in his second book.

Family dairy farms will probably disappear, which is more of a problem than people understand. Attempts to relocate dairy farming to other parts of the country have and will fail, because of the differences in water tables. We will have a reduced ability to produce a significant part of the American diet.

Family beef farms are rare these days. That is what I grew up on, and I worked on dairy farms as a teen and young adult. I worked on Dream Street Farms long enough to become aware of how their goal was to make a huge profit, without much concern for dairy interests.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:14 PM
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25. Where I grew up in the South of the US...outside Charleston, SC...many Dairy Farms
Tomato Farms, squash, beans, and great shrimping and fishing.. GONE...

Check out Kiawah Island Resorts....Check out Charleston tourist.....check out Development opposing the last remaining Island Farmers.

Oh the wonderful smells of the planting season in March...the onions and earth turnings smells as we rode our buses home from school for miles and miles through the fields. It was wonderful...those smells of SPRING....

They've sold..it's carved up on the "water" golf courses...and nothingness but tourists looking for the "Gullah Slave Tourist Road" for those returning to their "heritage they escaped"...and the "Tiger Woods Crowd" for the Five STAR RESORT...

It's sad...books have been written...I could write one ........Gullah Road and the Agri-Basket of the South...and how we all left it...and how our paths have diverged..and then come back wondering what we lost in it all and the Race thing between it...

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:59 PM
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26. Mega farms are news in Ohio
There are mega chicken farms with hundreds of thousands of chickens. How is anyone supposed to properly care for those animals?

Then there are the mega dairy farms with thousands of cows, and mega pig farms, and mega cattle farms.

It's rare to see a family farm.

Sad.

Oh, and interesting reading about Nativism. Thanks
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:02 PM
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27. When people see film
of what the mega farms really are like, it tends to spoil their appetite.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:41 PM
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28. A mega chicken farm went up in flames
This was maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Appx 200,000 chickens perished. It was very sad.

Our newspaper did a series a couple years ago about mega farms. It was published over 6 days. In Day 6 the articles describe how people from the Netherlands want to setup mega dairy farms. It's not the local farmers who want these mega farms.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/project/content/project/farm/index.html
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:45 PM
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17. A WINNER IS YOU! nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:37 PM
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23. Thank you. n/t
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