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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:34 PM
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Bitter as hell in Pennsylvania - - Chimpy voter / Limpballs listener says..."It's fucking true"
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:35 PM by jefferson_dem
Bitter as hell in Pennsylvania
Folks agree with Barack Obama in at least one Pennsylvania trailer park. But will angry voters help or hurt Democrats in swing states this fall?

By Mike Madden

April 16, 2008 | EXETER, Penn. -- Shawn Erfman lives in a trailer park, listens to Rush Limbaugh and voted for George W. Bush -- twice. Over the weekend, he heard all about what Barack Obama had to say about "bitter" Pennsylvanians like himself. And he's mad as hell.

Not at the guy you might expect, though. "It's fucking true," he said Monday night. "Everybody's bitter for one reason or another. So they're crucifying him because he spoke the truth? Cause he's not saying something that's going to suck up to people and kiss ass? Because, what, he slipped and accidentally spoke the truth, instead of kissing butt?"

A 37-year-old mechanic for a construction company, Erfman won't be voting Republican this time around. While he isn't a registered Democrat and can't vote in next week's primary, he'd be happy to go for Obama in November. (Or Hillary Clinton, for that matter.) "I do like him, I think that he would be a change," Erfman said. "Believe it or not, I voted for Bush. See where that got me?" But when you get right down to it, Erfman -- like many of his neighbors -- doesn't see much chance of any politician really doing a lot to help the dwindling middle class in northeastern Pennsylvania. "It doesn't make a difference who I go vote for, whoever gets in is going to see fit to try to make it go their way," Erfman said. His wife, Heidi, felt the same way. "Can I vote for Mickey Mouse?" she asked.

By the time Obama and Clinton sit down for Wednesday night's debate in Philadelphia, the question of whether people like Erfman were insulted by Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser will have dominated nearly a week of news about the campaign. White working-class voters -- the ones Obama said "get bitter" and "cling" to guns, religion and nativism -- are, without a doubt, the key to winning the Pennsylvania primary next week. If Clinton holds on to a big share of the blue-collar Democratic vote, as she did in Ohio last month, she'll win, as polls show she's on track to do.

But they're also the key to November's election, which means this won't be the last you hear about bitter Pennsylvanians. Either Obama or Clinton will have to keep John McCain from trouncing them among white working-class voters (as Bush did to Democrats in the last two elections) in order to win Rust Belt swing states. The first step could simply be convincing those voters, after years of hard times, that it's worth paying attention to either side. If Democrats are going to take back the White House, their biggest enemy might not be whatever Obama says to California donors next. The biggest hurdle might be bitterness itself.

"I'm just not crazy about politics," said Mary Perno, 47, an apprentice baker who lives around the corner from the Erfmans. She hasn't voted since backing Ronald Reagan in 1984 and doesn't sound like she'll get around to trying it again any time soon. "Most of the politicians that I've known in my life are nothing more than liars, and I don't like liars." That was a common sentiment in Exeter, which sits between Wilkes-Barre and Scranton in what used to be the heart of Pennsylvania's manufacturing and coal country. No matter who was in power, factories kept closing or moving offshore, mines kept shutting down or laying people off and wages kept sliding down. "None of 'em ever do anything," said Perno's neighbor Tom Sciandra, a heating and plumbing repairman. "All they do is yap a lot."

<SNIP>

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/04/16/bitter/
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:36 PM
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1. very interesting.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:38 PM
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2. This is interesting...people are responding to the truth...
who knew that this strategy could be effective?:sarcasm:
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:45 PM
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7. it must be a trick
:tinfoilhat:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:38 PM
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3. "Clinton doesn't enjoy 'bitter' bounce"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-uscamp0416,0,5168270.story

(Aren't they a right-ish outfit that would be supportive of Clinton?)
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:39 PM
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4. This Is Why Obama Continues To Climb In The Poles
The truth is the truth is the truth.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:00 PM
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13. How about the Slavs? Is he climbing them too? No keeping him down apparently!
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:11 PM
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15. oh man, I ALMOST SAID SLAVS but it's already been established that the Irish are bitterly
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:09 PM
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14. The Poles are bitter too? I knew the Irish, but
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:40 PM
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5. Whadda ya know...turns out Obama was really
listening to the people he encountered on his campaign stops..those comments on the cnn blog were priceless too in regards to "Bitter" Americans.

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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:43 PM
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6. IT'S HARD OUT HERE FOR FOLKS!
These millionaire trust fund babies in Washington have no fucking idea how hard it is for people living paycheck to paycheck just trying to scrape up a few dollars to put in the gas tank to get to work to make a few more dollars to put back in the gas tank just to get to work again to make a few dollars to put back in the gas tank. It is HARD out here. Food prices are up. People can't even get work at Walmart! These retail places start hiring and they get HUNDREDS of applications...people with college degrees. Kids are graduating from college and can't even get a job in their field and if they do, the salary isn't enough to pay the student loans off. These universities are raising the tuition at astounding rates each year! The dollar can't stretch as far as it used to. Kids want more and the money just isn't there. People can't even take family vacations anymore at $4.00 a gallon gas. That's goddamned UNAMERICAN!

Hell yeah these politicians will SAY AND DO ANYTHING to get back to Washington just to do NOTHING.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:48 PM
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8. as the last sentence says
"A lifelong Democrat, White says she'll vote for Obama next week. "It's a bad time in the world," she said. "People are bitter.""
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:50 PM
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9. These people have given up hope.
Obama has stirred that hope up in so many, I hope, when he becomes Prez, he'll be able to give these people hope again. :hug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:54 PM
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10. It's all been for the investor class
I don't know why these blue collar voters think Hillary is going to help them. I hope some of them start to see that Obama is talking about policies that will help working people.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:07 PM
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11. Here's where the genius of Obama is going to show in the fall
He is going to have voter registration drives all summer long in these trailer park and urban areas. All summer long.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:14 PM
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16. you know it's true! I totally agree with you.
:toast:

and it wouldn't surprise me if the Obama volunteer corps would be all over the place all summer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46RzolCHBGY



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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:40 PM
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12. This statement HIGHLIGHTS exactly what Obama was saying!!
"Believe it or not, I voted for Bush. See where that got me?" But when you get right down to it, Erfman -- like many of his neighbors -- doesn't see much chance of any politician really doing a lot to help the dwindling middle class in northeastern Pennsylvania. "It doesn't make a difference who I go vote for, whoever gets in is going to see fit to try to make it go their way," Erfman said. His wife, Heidi, felt the same way. "Can I vote for Mickey Mouse?" she asked.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:21 PM
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17. Exactly! Show just how "IN TOUCH" Obama is......
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 11:22 PM by FrenchieCat
and how "OUT OF TOUCH" The others are.

""Believe it or not, I voted for Bush. See where that got me?" But when you get right down to it, Erfman -- like many of his neighbors -- doesn't see much chance of any politician really doing a lot to help the dwindling middle class in northeastern Pennsylvania. "It doesn't make a difference who I go vote for, whoever gets in is going to see fit to try to make it go their way," Erfman said. His wife, Heidi, felt the same way. "Can I vote for Mickey Mouse?" she asked."

Obama needs to let them know that "they are the ones that they have been waiting for".....they can make the difference, not so much some pol.
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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:32 PM
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18. this is great!
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 11:33 PM by bonzotex
These are exactly the people that Democrats should be bringing in the tent. It shouldn't be so hard but we are fighting against years of mindless domination by corporate media.

Democrats and liberals in general discount how pervasive the wingnut radio talkers are on our airwaves. We know it, but because we don't listen to it, we forget this constant distorted, misleading, conservative drone is out there all over the country, most of the day. Working people listen to it for hours and hours every day.

People have been lied to and conned. They are beginning to feel enough pain to listen to alternate voices. It's up to us as individuals to be those voices.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:34 AM
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19. mornin' kick!
:kick:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:37 AM
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20. It is true and it is time for Change!
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