Bill Clinton: Young voters are stupid and gullible. Only elderly Hillarites can't be fooled.

[nichomachus]

Wow -- talk about not alienating people Hilly and Billy have it down to a science.


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/bill_clinton_ol.html

QUAKERTOWN, Pa. -- Older voters gravitate to Hillary Clinton because they're too wise to be fooled by Barack Obama's rhetoric, former president Bill Clinton told Pennsylvania voters today.

Clinton's comments, to a packed high school gym about an hour north of Philadelphia, were one part presidential politics and one part legacy protection. His beef was with Obama's contention that many of the problems facing the country today were simmering long before President Bush took office seven-plus years ago.

"I think there is a big reason there's an age difference in a lot of these polls," he said. "Because once you've reached a certain age, you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years; that there's not much difference in how small-town Pennsylvania fared when I was president, and in this decade."

[anonymous171]

1. What are the odds this gets no play tommorrow?

[catgirl]

28. Wed. morning headline on The Huff Post

Bill Clinton = elitist. What an absolutely stupid comment(s). Bill, time
to retire!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. Is the NY Times or wash Post running this?

[redqueen]

95. Is it a RW meme?

Then forget it.

[awaysidetraveler]

129. Is this like the math odds of HRC losing the primary? I'll take that bet.

Not that I'm against older voters, or even HRC for that matter.

It's just that she's going to lose this time.

[pauldg0]

145. Probably you are true......

..I'm not voting for either one of these clowns. However, Billy finally has enough balls to say it right. Obama plays to the young, stupid and the naive.

Sorry, but it's true!!! Got to give Obama credit. He played his cards right....started out right in Iowa with the Illinois kids in the Iowa Universities. Obama's a very smart man.

Statements like mine and Billy's in my opinion will not help Hillary...it seems they are very desparate.

I think the youngsters just have to open up and listen closely from here on out.

I think Hillary's plan for health care sounds the best, but on the other hand she has failed trying to initiate it before. At least Obama doesn't put the whole shmoo health plan out on a silver platter.....that is he can start with something realistic and make it better.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Well, let's give it some recs......

Liberal Blogs will pick it up.....and it will go from there.

Digusting--Now that's what one calls patronizing.

After the hell he put his own daughter through as she was growing up; the shit she had to deal with because of his horny ass. :eyes:

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Bill is ill

he needs to get laid!

they cut him off and it shows!

[FrenchieCat]

9. And so I have heard this. That he was in rehabilitation, far as I know.

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. He is a major 1st house person

He really has nothing on service unless it goes back to his ego in this first house
it meets his empty house in the fourth.

Now if you want to look at infidelity
I can analyze that too on a chart.

But his has been analyzed in its classic case..


He has almost no oppositions or squares!!

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. Have you seen Obama's chart? It is very dynamic! n/t

[uberblonde]

119. You're wrong...

"Nothing" on service? He's got a stellium in the first house - yes, self, but it's in Libra, the house of relationship. Air is the dominant element of his chart, and as a Leo, he will use his mind to benefit others.

Sun in Leo in the 11th as the apex of a t-square? Leadership and service to the community.

And there's no such thing as an "empty" house. It's still part of an axis, and it's still got a ruler that influences the rest of the chart.

[grantcart]

116. lol

[PseudoIntellect]

3. Wow, Bill, how does that explain how Obama supporters are on average more educated?

[PoliticalAmazon]

50. Note that it isn't Obama supporters who are so gullible as to continue...

...to support a liar, a campaign that uses tactics beyond Rove/BushJr/LeeAtwater, and a campaign that has become the butt of jokes for it's bumbling and disorganization.

That flyer the Clinton campaign distributed in PA yesterday is the fucking end. It is all about how Hillary Clinton will bring jobs to PA.

SHE is one of the biggest proponents of outsourcing jobs, she's already promised India that outsourcing will continue and they shouldn't listen to the backlash from American workers, and she's already promised in a speech at a "gala" NYC $2.5million fundraiser (given by India corporate leaders) that further cementing India-U.S. ties would be her first priority as president.

For information about Hillary's outsourcing ties to India:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5470049

[Lone_Wolf]

91. She told that lie to us to here in NY when she was running for Senate...

She has done nothing of significance for us here in upstate NY. All rural Pennsylvanians need to do is look how "well" their rural neighbors to the north are doing under her stewardship.

[truedelphi]

135. She gave a few speeches down in Silicon Valley to the tune of

Whatever you computer corporte execs want - I'll deliver. Let me know how many HB 1 visas you require. Just don't forget abt my need for campaign funds.

Then she turns around at the end of the same speech and says, "We have to motivate our children to want to take hard subjects like math and science."

What friggin universe does she live in? Over the last ten years, it is precisely the kids of parents who had degrees in the sciences who saw Mom and Dad's research lab position or computer analyst job go over to India or Singapore. Why would they study something that requires hard work, only to join the end of the unemployment line their parents have already been kicked out of?

[Scout]

100. just because one has an "education" does not mean they are

more intelligent and/or less gullible.

After all, W has an education, no?

[nbcouch]

102. No, he has a diploma n/t

[Scout]

103. usually what one gets after getting an education....

:eyes:

[ladywnch]

125. or after paying for it. n/t

[Scout]

132. is that how Obama supporters got theirs? n/t

[ladywnch]

133. now that's the rapier wit we've come to expect from Hillary supporters

Brava!

:eyes:

BTW how did you come by your diploma?

[Scout]

137. don't make assumptions n/t

[PseudoIntellect]

134. Pointing out anomalies does not disprove a broad trend.

There are uneducated people with more intelligence in some cases, obviously. But over reliable polls and millions of people, the people who completed more education are bound to be a more intelligent sample of people than those who are on average less educated.

[smalll]

156. Yep. We need some kind of SAT-score-cutoff to qualify for the franchise. /nt

:eyes:

[Tinksrival]

5. Old white racist need only to apply.

Meet the new boss.......same as the old boss.

[BlooInBloo]

6. Old people telling young people they're being stupid ALWAYS works....

... They're just comical now.

[DearAbby]

7. Bill is really out

to sabotage Hillary's chances. I can't believe that he puts his foot in his mouth again, its like it is deliberate.

[nichomachus]

8. My thoughts exactly

As Richard Clarke said on Bill Mather the other night -- I want to know who kidnapped Bill Clinton and replaced him with this guy. Bill Clinton doesn't make mistakes like this.

It has to be on purpose.

[marshall]

45. He's not thinking rationally

One would like to think it's all carefully orchestrated in Bill's mind, that he's too smart to make foolish blunders like this. But I don't think he is thinking with his head, he is thinking with his ego.

[PoliticalAmazon]

52. He's a way savvy politician. There is something emotional about his actions: JEALOUSY...

...which is making him oblivious to his bad tactical moves.

I believe it's jealousy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5508035&mesg_id=5508035

[marshall]

53. It could be, but he's hurting himself too

Of course he's done things in the past that have threatened his reputation. This is like his last hurrah--I'm not sure he'll live long enough to recover from the public damage.

[PoliticalAmazon]

56. ITA. He has trashed his legacy out of desperation to be in the White House again. n/t

[PA Democrat]

59. I agree. His remarks indicate that he sees a vote for Obama as a vote against his legacy,

He also seems to believe that a Hillary presidency is an extension of his own presidency. He is turning people off.

[nichomachus]

60. I disagree -- he may see it the other way

It could be that, at one level, he wants Hillary to win, but, on another level, he doesn't want her to overshadow him in the history books.

After all, if she is elected, they will always be spoken of together by historians -- first husband-wife team. She will already have a leg up on him for significance by being the first female president. If her presidency is more successful than his, then he, with the impeachment baggage, will always be the Lesser Clinton, the footnote to her presidency.

I'm not saying he is consciously trying to sabotage her campaign, but at a subconscious level that may be what's going on, which would account for all the mistakes and blunders -- 8 lies in 23 words -- that Bill Clinton in far too savvy to make.

[PA Democrat]

67. I see your point. The thing that is most puzzling is why Hillary

hasn't muzzled him, because whatever his intentions, he has become a big liability. It makes me wonder if she has tried and failed.

[nichomachus]

70. I don't think Bill "muzzles" easily

If she tried and it got out, that would give the pundits something to jaw about for a month and a half. The discussion of the "rift" between them would suck all the oxygen out of the room right up until the convention. Nothing else would be discussed.

Or maybe she has tried to muzzle him, and this is his passive-aggressive way of retaliating.

[PA Democrat]

71. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Imagine him in the White House pulling this crap. There would be a lot more at stake than her political future.

[nichomachus]

74. This is one thing that concerns me about her presidency

What would his role be? Would he be out barreling around the world running his own agenda? Could she keep him under control? Would he try to elbow her out of the spotlight?

His antics during the campaign are worrying the hell out of me for a potential Hillary presidency.

[Liberal Gramma]

126. What a good role for Bill Clinton would be,

in any Democratic administration, would be Ambassador to the UN. Massive improvement on Bolton.

[Politicalboi]

127. Or maybe their

In for the donations.

[razors edge]

131. Wouldn't be the first time

he screwed her over.

[grantcart]

117. I think he really liked the life that he had making a few speeches and

picking up a big check. I think he also knows that if she were to win it would be 4 years of contentious hell.

[MadBadger]

10. Bill needs to realize again that this race isnt about him.

He hasnt figure it out yet.

[Zachstar]

20. He needs to be sent home.

He is not helping Clinton at ALL!

[samsingh]

26. yup

[PoliticalAmazon]

54. Oh, but it is. He feels as entitled as Hillary does...

...and he can't stand the fact that Obama is younger, healthier, and has decades of a political future in front of him. Obama is as good of a speaker as Bill is, and is (IMO) more charismatic than Bill is. Most of all, Obama isn't tainted by years of putting the best interest of his dick ahead of the best interests of the country.

Bill felt as entitled as Hillary did to another 4 years in the White House, and he just doesn't get the fact that we have moved on and don't want a repeat of the trauma and drama of the Clinton administration.

It's like the Clintons are trying to grasp the brass ring that has passed them by, and can't understand that we won't stop the carousel and reverse it's movement to accomodate their sense of entitlement.

To put it simply: he's jealous.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5508035&mesg_id=5508035

[blm]

94. It IS about him and why he didn't WANT Gore or Kerry to win., either. His legacy is tied to GHWBush

and the protection Bill gave him and his powerful cronies throughout the 90s. Do you think Bill WANTS an open government Democrat to have oval office access to the documents that the Global Fascist Agenda needs hidden?

[silverweb]

11. This is really sad.

Hill and Bill have become the entrenched establishment, ready to destroy the hope of the next generations in order to regain their own lost power.

Please go back to being the respected elder statesman and former President, and the respected Senator from New York and former First Lady -- and hope that everyone soon forgets this unworthy display.

[Mooney]

12. Oh my god!

Why hasn't Hillary Clinton forbidden this man from coming anywhere near her campaign?

[starroute]

13. So that's why there was more traffic in Quakertown today

I wondered why the streets seemed a bit jammed up when I dashed out after 4 to mail my tax returns, but I figured they were all headed for the post office like me.

Guess I blinked and missed the big excitement.

[TK421]

98. Is the Q-Mart still around? It's been ages since I've been up that way

[Jack Rabbit]

14. Sounds elitist to me

!!

[Ian_rd]

87. Of course it does. But he'll get a free pass - like McCain and Hillary.

The media machine is no synchronized with the Hillary-Rove tactic of smearing the Democrat with the tried-and-true caricature used by the Right of snooty latte-sipping french-loving effete liberals. This is what they love most. It's easy, requires no thought - great for cheap production.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Bill: Her problem is educated voters, stupid

You know, the ones who are inclined to pay attention to what you say and do:

The percentage of white Democrats without college degrees calling Clinton honest hardly budged in two years, while those with college degrees have dropped off significantly on the question (from 82 percent to 53 percent).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041502883.html?hpid=topnews

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. That's been the Clinton camp's contention all along, they honestly

think that there's something defective about people who don't support Hillary. When this is all over, I expect Bill to become a Fox News Analyst, dissing the party from the inside, like Dick Morris & Zell Miller.

[melody]

17. I think Bill has been toking the dandyweed again.

I'm 48 and my husband is 58. We're both backing Obama but then neither of us did drugs during the 60s.

Then again, given the fact he won the youth vote his first time through, it makes one wonder about how he sees
the average voter.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

76. Good point about him receiving the youth vote.

And he ran on "hope."

[SeattleGirl]

18. Why is he doing this?

He's making a fool out of himself, and tell the truth, it bugs the shit out of me. Overall, I've been an admirer of Bill Clinton (and Hilary Clinton), but this kind of stuff just doesn't fly with me.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

19. he sounds like he's selling aluminum siding door to door

or something. yikes.

[nichomachus]

24. Opening the way for a whole slew of "traveling salesman" jokes

[myrna minx]

22. Wow. He apparently didn't feel that way when he played the sax on Arson Hall in 1992

and appealed to MTV for interviews. The 1992 election was the first Presidential election that I was eligible to vote in, because I wasn't old enough to vote in 1988. My gen x friends and I all voted for Clinton, because we thought he was the best choice for our future, because the economy was in the hole and we had just had a war with Iraq, albeit our war lasted 2 months. I guess all of us at that time were too young and too stupid. :shrug: I remember Bill Clinton trying to appeal to the 20 somethings as a cool guy, and he succeeded, so now he's resentful that the youth vote is going to the new kid who is just as appealing if not more then he was, without the saxophone solo. Just more disingenuousness coming from the Clinton camp. The youth vote was good enough for them in 1992 and 1996, but now young people are are casting their gaze elsewhere, they're no good. :eyes:


******To our young voters out there, take note. We Democrats value you and know that you're the future of this party. Your thoughts, ideas, passions, and dreams are needed. While it's challenging to read comments from a former President who dismisses you, when he courted me when I was your age, please know that we need and value you.***********

[BlooInBloo]

23. heh indeedy.

[myrna minx]

27. BlooInBloo , I don't know how old you are, but I was

the "young vote" for Clinton, therefore these comments are sooo offensive to me. I remember juxtaposing Clinton with Old Man Mose- Bush in the debate...it was surreal. Who knew it would be repeated in 2008. Obama and Old Man McCain is a surreal repeat of 1992. Bill Clinton depended so much on the youth vote back in the day, so it's rather disgusting that he dismisses that same demographic 16 years later. (and expecting the former youth vote cum thirty something to stick by them.)

[Mooney]

57. I was 23 in 1992, and I voted for Bill Clinton.

Somehow, I was a savvy voter then. Now, 16 years later, I'm a dumb kid.

Fuck botox. I'm young again!

[myrna minx]

88. No kidding. This is so insulting.

[BlooInBloo]

82. Yup.

[bettyellen]

37. Arsenio

maybe you're too young to remember him, LOL.

[myrna minx]

62. D'oh, over zealous spell check! LoL.

[PVnRT]

42. ...and appearing for Q&A sessions on MTV

I very specifically remember watching those when I was in 9th grade and hoping he would win because he seemed pretty cool. It's sad now that he doesn't realize that the youth vote was one of the things that helped put him in the White House.

[samsingh]

25. bill can really be annoying

[boppers]

29. NAFTA, Bill.

Thanks, and buh-bye.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

152. NAFTA was signed in December 1992 - a month BEFORE Bill Clinton

took office - by former President George W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Mulrooney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas. It was ratified by Congress in November 1993 (the only legislator who opposed it was Byron Dorgan of South Dakota), and signed by former President Clinton in January 1994.

Every former President supported NAFTA, from Ford through Clinton. In fact, with the exception of Nixon (who was dying) and Reagan (who had advancing Alzheimer's Disease), they were in The Oval Office, witnessing Clinton's signature on the NAFTA treaty.

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. I cast my first vote in a Presidential election for Bill in 1996.

And supported him in '92 even though I was too young to vote. I suppose I must've been gullible. Gee, Bill, I'm sorry. I didn't know any better. I'd take it back, if I could.

[Political Heretic]

142. Hey me too! 1996. I'm thirty one, plenty smart and wisened from hard times

and hard work. I don't need to be told by some fucking silver-spoon fed multi-millionare political establishment insider that I'm too stupid to know who to support and why.

[davidpdx]

31. This just in...Hillary's response

Damn you Bill! Damn you!

[quickesst]

32. Thanks............

for the interpretation of what Clinton said: "Young voters are stupid and gullible. Only elderly Hillarites can't be fooled"

Only Obamaniacs can take statements, interpret them to fit their shallow agenda, then expect logical people to suddenly become stupid enough to believe it. Why do Obama supporters have to make shit up, mininterpret what people say, and call it truth? Aren't solid facts good enough to support Obama? Obviously not. Obama supporters believe adults here on DU are in third grade. Elitist bullshit at its best. Thanks again for more insight into the make-believe world of Obalogic.
quickesst

[EnviroBat]

68. Sit down and be quiet old man.

[Petrushka]

144. You -- are -- grounded, young man! Go -- clean up your room -- now! (**grumble, grumble**)

:spank:

[EnviroBat]

157. I been a baaaad baaaad boy....

:cry:

[Perry Logan]

33. Normal readers will notice that the OP lies about what Clinton said.

Logan's Law: all anti-Clinton posts are bullshit.

[Mooney]

58. If all anti-Clinton posts are bullshit,

is there any legitimate grievance that I'm allowed to have with her?

[nichomachus]

61. I believe I posted his quote exactly as it was said

[PA Democrat]

34. So shut up you young people. We don't give a damn that you will be footing the bill

for this war, for the unwise trade policies, etc.

WOW! He has lost it. Seems it's about Bill's ego more than anything else. Check out this quote:

"Because once you've reached a certain age, you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years; that there's not much difference in how small-town Pennsylvania fared when I was president, and in this decade."

So there you have it folks, a vote for Obama is a vote against Bill Clinton's legacy. Sad.

[Darth_Kitten]

39. Well, aren't older people footing the bill for young people?

Most pampered generation ever.

[PA Democrat]

41. HUH? Who inherits the $9.4 trillion national debt?

Who inherits the damaged environment, the shrinking power of the dollar, the unfair trade deals, the growing anti-American sentiment around the world, etc.? I don't envy young people at all.

BTW, those young people will be footing the bill for my Social Security and Medicare, so I really don't think it is a wise move to alienate them.

[PVnRT]

43. How's this?

Care to explain? Debts are transferred to future generations, not the ones that ran them up.

[myrna minx]

65. Yeah. pampered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5513310

:puke:

[depakid]

108. depends on how one defines old

Medicare and social security are subsidized by "younger" workers- though on the other hand, k-12 education is usually taken out of property taxes paid by older homeowners, who may not have any kids.

[Independent-Voter]

35. I'm really ready for both these sociopaths (Clintons) to disappear

Veruca better be watching her Senate seat after this clusterfuck of a campaign.

[Vinca]

36. Guess older Obama supporters like me are on a par with the village idiot.

Thanks, Bill. I agree with a previous poster who noted Bill needs to get laid.

[Kool Kitty]

148. No, no. It means we're young.

Don't you get it? I'm old. I'm supporting Obama. So that means I must be young. If we were old, we would be too wise to support Obama. Therefore, we are young.

[ErinBerin84]

38. I don't neccesarily think that he said young people are gullible,

but I do think that there has been a certain dismissiveness about Obama's supporters from the Clinton campaign, like when Bill Clinton said that the types of people voting for Obama are the type that don't NEED a president, while Hillary's supporters NEED her. Or when the labor union leader introduced Hillary and said "Latte sipping, birkenstock wearing, trust fund babies.", talking about Obama supporters. That being said, the Clintons probably really do think that they have a better chance at winning, since they seem to have a greater majority of swing voters. That also being said, they probably thought that the primaries would be "all wrapped up" by February 5th.

Last week, I said on this board that my former Mitt Romney supporting grandfather is now supporting Obama, after watching a documentary about the war. Last night I had dinner with my other grandfather, who I kind of assumed to have been supporting McCain, since he's a former Naval officer and usually votes Republican. He said "I'll vote for Barack...he's made a few goofs, but nothing big. I figure that McCain is just going to be an extention of Bush." I said "You figure right!" and told him about some of the goofs that McCain has been making, that the media has been ignoring, for good measure.Also, for Clinton supporters, I made both of my grandfathers promise to vote for Clinton if she gets the Democratic nomination.

Here's something interesting that I don't think that I've mentioned here. I saw it on tv, and I don't really remember which writer it was who said it, so I apologize for not having a good source for this. The writer said that many people in the Clinton campaign had assumed that SHE was going to be the one to get the African American/high educated vote, and were forced to become more populist because that was the support she ended up getting. I thought that was interesting, but again, I'm sorry that I don't remember who it was that said it. And remember when Hillary had her "Shame on you!" moment and said "Enough with the SPEECHES and the RALLIES!"? Didn't she sort of try to do the speeches and rallies thing in January, before switching to other mediums that she was more comfortable in? Clinton is extra offended by Obama because he has pointed out things in the administration that weren't neccessarily great or things that lead to further problems down the road, which of course he should do since Hillary Clinton claims to have been a part of the Clinton administration. He has also praised the Clinton administration, but I think Bill goes off whenever his legacy is challenged. He needs to realize that it's not about him, it's about Hillary.

[renate]

124. welcome to DU!

And yay for your grandfathers! :hi:

Your last paragraph has a lot to think about in it... and the last sentence most of all! It's getting embarrassing to watch. It must be fairly excruciating for him, too, to suddenly hear himself criticized for having a tin ear politically, when all his life he's been praised for the opposite. But instead of taking a step back and reassessing his behavior, he just keeps dancing faster, it seems. I feel bad for him but I also just wish for his own sake--never mind Hillary's--that he'd STFU.

[noel711]

40. All Bubba was doing was pandering to his base ...

and in Quakertown that is dubious...a few probably.

All the young folk in this area are flocking to Obama,
and the people present at this rally were probably
knocking on doors for Barack.

[powergirl]

44. President Cinton embraced the younger vote when he ran for president

I guess that doesn't count anymore. Tell the whippersnappers to KEEP OUT!

:sarcasm:

[PoliticalAmazon]

46. ANOTHER insult to the Obama supporters from the Clintons!...

...This is going beyond ridiculous.

This is such a bad political move, and from a man who is very, very good at politics. What is it that is driving Clinton to be so ham-fisted against Obama and his supporters?

I believe it is jealousy. Obama is young, healthy, energetic, at least as good of a speaker as Bill is, and extremely charistmatic, beyond even Bill's charisma.

But this is the ultimate thing that Obama has over Clinton: Obama has decades of a political career ahead of him, and Bill does not.

For a further discussion of Bill's apparent jealousy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5508035&mesg_id=5508035

[ClassWarrior]

48. Old folks aren't as wired, so they can't fact-check as easily.

NGU.

[meow mix]

49. this is more damaging to the party than to any single candidate

having a party elder spout this crap is not going to be very helpful to the democrats in general

[PoliticalAmazon]

51. Agreed. They are making us all look bad, which is bad for the GE. n/t

[tekisui]

63. E L I T I S T !!!!!!!

[Lucky 13]

64. That's ELITIST talk. nt

[EnviroBat]

66. My God! Is the man really that stupid?

This should be elevated to the highest. Begin calling your local media in your area and shouting this at them until they bring it out! This is a huge fuckup for the Clinton's

[Jennicut]

69. Thanks alot Bill. I guess I was a "dumb" 20 year old for voting for you in 1996!

What a dumb comment. Throw it into the pile of all his other stupid comments. I really wish Bill had been impeached now. At least Al Gore would have had his chance at the presidency and Bill would have been humbled. He needs to realize that picking on race, youth, and just those that don't agree with him is not right to do. I hope that after this election I never hear or see of the Clintons ever again. I've had it with both of them. I used to support them in the 90's. But all of their actions during this election have turned me so far off. Bringing down the party to bloody Obama so Hillary takes the nomination or so McCain wins in November (which I believe is their real motivation now as they see the writing on the wall)means they no longer cease to be Democrats. The Clintons are the party of the Clintons and I and many others are becoming increasingly disgusted with them. Meanwhile, McCain is getting a free ride in the media every day. Nice one Bill.

[nichomachus]

72. White-haired women for Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpDTvlSd0x4

[Maribelle]

73. Lying about the Clintons gives some Obama followers that Matthews thing up their legs, I see.

:shrug:

[Pab Sungenis]

75. He might have something there.

It was us young voters in 1992 who put him into office, after all.

[Texas Hill Country]

77. he is just commenting on the fact that many of baracks supporters were 10 when Bill left office and

dont know the difference between the two.


It is a true and valid statement.

[nichomachus]

86. And yet, they try to make hay out of an 8-year-old's comments about HIllary

They can't have it both ways.

[izzybeans]

78. As a younger voter when you were President Mr. Clinton, I say fuck you.

You inspired me to engage politically. My first ever vote was for you. You let me down time and again. Now you are a washed up bitter old man.

[Texas Hill Country]

79. he is talking about people who are 18,19,20 years old....

[nichomachus]

81. How do you know that?

[izzybeans]

92. Which makes his comments deplorable in my eyes.

The elitism and ageism in those comments are what keep younger voters from wanting to participate.

[PoliticalAmazon]

115. Do you mean that Hillary has the "over-21" vote locked in? I think NOT. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

80. So, er, Bill. Old folks also tend to vote Republican. Should we trust their wisdom too?

[Leftist Agitator]

83. Your title is perfect, nichomachus.

:rofl:

Age is not always synonymous with wise judgment, Bill.

I could say that those old voters for your wife are those Boomers who are nostalgic for the go-go nineties, but that would be as equally short-sighted and generally stupid as your contention.

[rucky]

84. What an elditist comment!

[Life Long Dem]

85. Clinton blew it again.

If young voters are fools, what's that make young Clinton voters?

[oasis]

89. Bill's right. Many of Obama's followers are starstruck and will believe anything

their messiah tell's them.

[nichomachus]

101. Not anything -- they don't believe Hillary's "Lie du jour"

Or Bill's

Or Chelsea's

[mkultra]

90. riiiiiiight! this is why my grandma cant set her VCR clock

being old doesn't make you smarter. It makes you stubborn. The number of smart old people is the same as the number of smart young people.

[Scurrilous]

93. K & R

:thumbsup:

[knixphan]

96. Dem youngins don't matter...

Poor Bill

won't see the irony.

[redqueen]

97. So the youth vote is officially under the bus now?

Sad... he used to be thought of as a skilled politician.

[otohara]

99. Wasn't Bill Younger Than Obama

when he ran?

Maybe he's senile and has forgotten.

More disappointing words coming from a couple I used to admire so much and now all I can do is shake my head.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

104. There's already a party for old white hardwerkin' people: the Republican one.

Bill Clinton's foot's been in his mouth all campaign season, it seems.

[TheWraith]

105. Clintonworld: Even a vague hint of sexism bad, blatant ageism and racism are great.

Riiight.

[Swamp Rat]

106. Really bad Straw Man, and just plain wrong.

Adios Hillary. :hi:

[mcollier]

112. So Not True - But what do you expect coming from Bill

No Bill. What would really be unwise, dumb and unintelligent would be to support a campaign that continually lies to the American People. That is why Hillary's poll numbers on the question of trust are almost as low as Bush's. 58% say Hillary is untrustworthy... And we already know where Bill is in the trust category.... I am so glad that I was able to attend a Michelle Obama event yesterday. Now I know who the Obama's really are, because I heard the tell their own story. That's why people listen to him speak and join the Obama movement of change. Not because we are unwise...

[depakid]

107. I don't see anything wrong with what he said at all

Young people ARE more easily fooled- and are far easier to lead down the primrose path than older folks who've been around the block a couple of times and seen these political games before.

Kind of a universal fact of life....

[Vickers]

111. Tell that to all the elderly folks sending checks to religious hucksters.

Seen it with my own eyes...heartbreaking.

[cui bono]

109. AGIST!!! n/t

(that doesn't look right...)

[natrat]

110. carol king supports the hillary monstrosity- i lost all respect for her

[New Dawn]

113. Sickening agism. n/t

[tekisui]

114. The Clinton Bubble Brigade.

It is but the dying embers of a campaign. Why else would the chief surrogate slam such a large and motivated group of voters. It's over. And the Clinton's know it. The only question now, is when and how they exit? I predict it will before June 3rd. To avoid the embarrassment of the Superdelegates ending it for her.

[ExPatLeftist]

118. While I agree that this is a bit of a gaffe...

...there is some spin here and some extension of what he is saying. It is always possible to say that "what he said" is roughly equal to something else and on and on to the point that "basically" Bill said that the voting age should be raised to 60. It might be fun, but it is not logical.

He said what he said, and it was a bit weaselish, IMO. And I am saddened in general by Hillary Clinton's campaign to this point (and this should be the end, IMO). I have fond memories of the Bill Clinton presidency, and though I support Obama, I will not throw away the sum of Bill's years over any poorly chosen words (or other recent disappointing tactics by the Clintons... Tarnished, but not destroyed).

But overall I am tired of the endless "GOTCHA" swapping. Obama made a bit of a gaffe last week as well, and the media rode it and speculated on it relentlessly, turning it into something other than what he meant. People say things that give us an insight into them, and we each make up our own minds. The media wants to make every single word a potential deathknell to one of the candidates. That will not happen.

I really wish that the media, as well as we here, would stop going for the feigned moral outrage and the gotcha of the gaffes and focus on something with substance. (Not holding my breath, though.)

[Infinite Hope]

120. Only Obama never said those things, Bill you lying son of a witch. I used to respect you. n/t

[LostinVA]

121. My trophy wife isn't fooled by Obama's rhetoric

[AZBlue]

122. How to Win Friends and Influence People by Bill Clinton.

Oh, wait....

[Yael]

123. He has become a characture of himself over nothing.

[sofa king]

128. Well, since we're all putting words in his mouth....

Again, here is the quote:

"Because once you've reached a certain age, you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years; that there's not much difference in how small-town Pennsylvania fared when I was president, and in this decade."

And here is what I think it means: people in small-town Pennsylvania fared better under the Clinton years, enough that the people who were around to see it know for sure how fucked over they are now.

Which is a valid and reasonable observation to make, particularly when it comes from the fellow who stood at the helm of eight years of peace and prosperity--both of which you young whippersnappers have yet to see as voters!

As it happens, I'm pulling for the other guy, but I'm still a crotchety old bastard and a stickler for the unvarnished truth.

[Petrushka]

146. While passing through, I noticed that none of the young-uns seemed to notice the quote you posted.

This is just to say "Thank you. I agree." and . . . :hi:

[sofa king]

159. Thank you very much.

Now the rest of you kids get the hell off my lawn!

[BlueJac]

130. Fuck Bill...........he is a fool and an embarrassment!

[lumberjack_jeff]

136. Your paraphrase is a huge stretch.

It seems to me beyond debatable that those who became adults during the GWB years don't have any frame of reference - as far as they know, things have always sucked like this.

The 90's didn't suck, even though the media wanted to convince everyone how terrible things were. The 00's do, even though the media downplays it.

A 22 year old is as ignorant of the 90's as I am of the 60's - worse actually, because I've had 40 years to catch up.

In their zeal to destroy Hillary, Obama supporters are also destroying the legacy of the only successful Democratic president of the last 40 years.

[emilyg]

139. Right on.

People on Du love to type - not think.

[Petrushka]

147. Someone's ignorant of the 90s? Of the 60s? Oh, dear! I'm ignorant of the 20s! (eom)

[eilen]

158. In my town, things have always pretty much sucked since the late 70's

even during the Clinton years. Now we've had his wife as Senator and it hasn't changed, just gotten worse as more employers leave. I am in upstate NY.

I lived in Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh area) during the end of the Reagan years and it sucked there too. The steel mills closed and people couldn't pay their bills. Mellon bank was foreclosing and unemployed mill workers were giving them the big stinky rotting fish in the the drive thrus. It didn't get much better during Clinton, as there was no chance of the the industry reviving itself after Chinese MFN, I believe the mines were laying off at that time too. My Dad ended up selling his home at a loss.

He should be making that speech in Silicon Valley, not the rust belt.

[fortyfeetunder]

138. If I were the Big Dog, I'd choose my words carefully.

Stop alienating people through your words, you may have to rely on those votes in your next GE opportunity....

[emilyg]

140. He's right.

[Political Heretic]

141. Once again, Bill turns it into talking about himself. Bill you're not running for President.

Notice once again we have still more comments from Bill Clinton that really have little to do with Hillary Clinton. It's Bill once again angrily defending himself, his Clinton years, his administration, him. Bill Clinton thinks this is a campaign for his third and "redeeming" term. It has next to nothing to do with his wife for him.

He has become such a joke, engulfed in the bitterness that his presidential legacy was ruined by scandal of his own creation.

[Petrushka]

149. Have you considered WJC might have been responding to that San Francisco "bitter" boo-boo by Obama,

wherein "the Clinton administration" is mentioned?


Obama: "You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration...."



(**sigh**) You'll have to excuse me for not posting the URL where I found that quote. I forgot to write it down, though I bookmarked the website. But, as some Obama supporters seem wont to say, "Google is your friend."


Have a good-un!


(Obama fund-raiser San Francisco bitter Mark Halperin transcript)

[Political Heretic]

151. Of course he was responding to that.

Obama didn't just say they fell through the Clinton administration where you stop your quote. He said they've fallen through every administration for the last 25 years, and he's right about that. He said that working Americans are bitter about that, and that they've lost faith that the federal government can or will do anything to really make a lasting economic difference for them. So they don't vote on economics anymore, instead they find other issues to decide who they will vote for.

The point is, Bill Clinton has a long history in this campaign of making it about him - he uses the campaign as a way to defend his own presidential legacy. This is another example of Clinton focusing more on himself and his legacy than on the actual candidate running for office. It's not that Bill couldn't have or shouldn't have commented on Obama's comments. It's the nature of his comments that are consistent with his past comments and telling.

[Baby Snooks]

143. Possibly true...

Everyone with Alzheimers perhaps will not be able to remember and realize that in fact there was no difference between the Bush and Clinton administrations and while the economy seemed good under Clinton it was an economy that benefitted the crooks more than the American people. And still does.

Odd he has mentioned this. Maybe his conscience is bothering him finally.

He belongs at Nuremberg along with Madeline Albright.

[ShaneGR]

150. Honestly, it's the first good point he's made in months...

Particularly about his years as President vs the Bush years, they should have been screaming that talking point way back in Iowa.

[Ysabel]

153. screw us all what did we ever do for him (n/t)...

[pokerfan]

154. Fuck you, Bill

(Never thought I'd ever be saying that.)

[goletian]

155. haha poor widdle billy got his widdle feelings hurt. awwwwww. - nt