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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:59 AM
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To Obama Supporters who will not support Hillary
if she wins the nomination:


PLEASE think long and hard about your decision between now and November. As Obama supporters, you KNOW that Barack would not want you desert the party (and the country) and give McCain a better chance at the White House.


I am extremely unhappy at the way Hillary has conducted this campaign. Sometimes it's a real test to keep my blood from boiling over.

When I take a breath and step back, I know that Hillary cannot possibly do a worse job than McCain would do in Iraq. JUST THINK, if your vote for Hillary could save ONE American soldier or ONE Iraqi civilian from losing their life in McCain's 10,000 year war, wouldn't you choose life? By November, we MUST move past the pain and make the right choice.

That's only one example. Supreme Court Justice appointments are another. It's generally accepted and I believe that both candidates acknowledge that their positions are 90%-95% similar on a wide range of issues.


I've really struggled with the question myself. I don't want to send a message that we are rewarding the kind of politics used by Hillary's campaign, but if Hillary wins the nomination we can bring energized Obama supporters to the table as a positive influence. We can still play a positive role in community support and have our voices heard during Hillary's term. There are too many of us for Clinton to ignore. We have an opportunity to play a great role in local and Congressional races and push for progressive change.

As Barack says, "We are the ones we've been waiting for." Just because he's not there, doesn't mean the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of us will suddenly stop doing the right thing. If Hillary wins the nomination and you really follow through with your threats not to support her, you are missing Barack's message.


That said, I am certain Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.


(This was originally posted as a reply to the thread below.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5523969&mesg_id=5523969"> Obama supporters - will you vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee?

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:03 AM
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1. understand this
they HATE HILLARY more than they HATE McCAIN
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:06 AM
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:07 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. That may be true for some
during this extremely heated battle, but no matter who wins the nomination I sincerely hope BOTH SIDES can move past these feelings and find common ground before August and on through to November.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:20 AM
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12. grasp this, genius: More Hill supporters say they won't support Obama
and hate Obama more than they hate McCain. Of course, that doesn't bother fucking asshole hypocrites.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:15 AM
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49. "but Hillary" "but Hillary" "but Hillary" "but Hillary" "but Hillary"
That's the only argument you ever have, isn't it?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:02 AM
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56. ....which isn't what she said
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:27 AM
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58. learn to read for comprehension, dearie.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:43 AM
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52. These idiots are attempting to blackmail the party into the wrong decision
The hillary supporters who are claiming that they are going to vote for mccain are not real democrats in my opinion. They are using their threat to try to force the party to go with their choice and that is simply wrong.

Once the party decides, these supporters need to either decide to support the party or leave the party. If they leave, then they will be responsible for Roe v. Wade being overturned and a SCOTUS becoming a permanent wing of the GOP
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:13 AM
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48. That is simply untrue. However, the hatred Hillary supporters feel and show
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 07:17 AM by Window
for Sen. Obama goes beyond the pale. Hillary has run a terrible, nasty and divisive campaign and deserves the criticism she receives.

The only thing Hillary and Obama supporters agree on is the absolute belief that we must defeat McWar.

For that reason, I believe the supporters of both would hold their nose and vote for the eventual Democratic nominee.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:30 AM
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59. Hillary has insulted us; McCain has not. She has earned the hate. n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:05 AM
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2. I won't support her.
I'll vote for her, probably, in the extremely unlikely event that she gets the nomination; the alternative is still worse, so it's a case of the lesser of two evils. Even voting for her under that circumstance would be a compromise of my principles, and I would be doing it not out of party loyalty, but because McCain would be far worse. But no fucking way will I support her.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:06 AM
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4. The downticket races are more important, and nearly
everyone here has been ignoring them. We need to increase our lead in Congress substantially. The republicans still keep acting like they are in the majority. That has to end.

Local and state races mean a lot, too. We can get a toehold in red areas, and make a difference in at least a few state legislatures.

Everyone has to go to the polls. I've compromised many times in my life to get Democrats into office. It is worth it, considering the alternatives.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:16 AM
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8. McCain is your friend
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:19 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. What in the hell is your problem?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:20 AM
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50. No. McCain is Hillary and Bill's friend, as they so often like to remind us when praising him.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 07:22 AM by Window
I've heard them both state this many times while pandering to their audiences, but I think you know this.

Perhaps, like Hillary, you "misspoke."
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #50
60. BINGO. Hillary would want us to vote for McCain if Obama wasn't the candidate. n/t
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
57. What is the point of this response?
The poster is saying that people need to vote regardless of who wins the nomination to maintain control of Congress, and s/he's right.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:09 AM
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6. Why will Hillary gonna be supported? Is she on her way to winning the nom?
I don't see it. So it is not a subject that I need to discuss.

It is too late for that.

There will be no miracles, only destruction can make that happen. And if Hillary does that, than no, I ain't voting for somebody like that. Why would I? That would make her no better than a Repug, IMO.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
16. Well, you are one of my favorite posters on DU, but
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:29 AM by TragedyandHope
I don't think the country and especially innocent victims of the war deserve pay the price for Hillary's sins. 5 Million war orphans and counting. And again, I don't think Barack himself would want that either.

Of course, I respect your right to make up your own mind. And yes, this is an highly unlikely hypothetical question, but this discussion is meant to give both sides the chance to look forward to the day when the nomination is over and think about building bridges together. For me, Obama's message is one of Hope and Unity and I think we should all consider how we can personally embrace that spirit through our own actions.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:36 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. Well, if she blows him up with dynamite, cause that's the only thing
that could happen, from where I sit, then ye-Ah.....if that happened, I'd be staying home.

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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Well, when you put it that way
I can't disagree! :rofl:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:13 AM
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7. I think Hillary really blew it.
She overplayed her hand and Dems are beginning to see her as destructive.

So I don't envision us having to make this decision.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:47 AM
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27. She blew it. Believe me. She blew it.
Overplaying her hand is an understatement. The way she has selected the personnel for and conducted her campaign has said only one thing to me--she is not suited for the office. Tone-deaf, incompetent, and lacking judgment--all three characteristics we've had in the erstwhile leader foisted off on the nation for the past 7 years. I have no use for her any longer--either in this election cycle or any future cycles.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:37 AM
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62. She's made it clear: our voices, votes and opinions are worthless to her...
...People are laughing at her now. Her campaign is about as well organized and run as a box full of ferets. She is a bad reflection on the Democratic Party and Democrats. AND she and her campaign have insulted Obama supporters on numerous occasions.

She made it quite clear during her years in the Senate that our voices didn't count. She repeatedly voted the neocon agenda, endorsing Bush Jr's most heinous policies, voted to confirm the worst Bush appointments, despite an outpouring of Democrat faxing, emailing and calling her to beg her not to.

When she refused to stand up for our votes in 2000, she made it quite clear that our votes are worthless.

And now she and her campaign insult us.

She's made it quite clear that our voices, our votes, and our voting choices are worthless to her. So I won't bother her with any of mine in the future.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:16 AM
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9. Would Obama vote to destroy the party, and elect McCain, or let Hillary run?
That's the choice we have.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:18 AM
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10. I'm no Hilary fan, but I'll be damned to eternal hell if I vote for McCain.
If Hilary gets the nomination, I will vote for her.

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:21 AM
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13. If Hillary gets the nom...
she didn't "win" it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:23 AM
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14. Hillary lost.
Barack won.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. Is that you Supreme Court Justice Scalia?
:hi:

The important thing to do is stop the voting before the votes are counted.

Ha H2O Man.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:36 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. Now, now.
You know, on February 6, 1967, in Houston, as the clocked ticked towards the start of the 15th round, Ernie Terrell's cornermen told him that he could still win. Ernie knew that Ali had a 14-round lead. But I suppose it was important to let the fight continue, and count up all those score cards. (grin)
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:44 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. And we all remember the Boston Red Sox were down
3-0, and trailing in the 9th in game 4.




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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:03 AM
Response to Reply #26
34. Baseball?
Come on. All historians, great politicians, spiritual leaders, and sociologists of note are in full agreement that boxing is the sport to reference in primary discussions.



"Get up, Sonny! You can still win!"
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:11 AM
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39. HAHA
For a second, I thought you wrote all Scientologists are in full agreement. :wtf:


Sociologists.

Got it. lol
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:18 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. Scientologists .....
never met one who boxed. Never met one who didn't, either.

What do you think of B-Hop vs Calzaghe this weekend?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. It sounds like a great concert.
I like hop hop music.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
68. If the SCOTUs holds a vote and the first 5 vote the same way...
...the last 4 votes are ultimately meaningless.

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:24 AM
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15. Oh now you've done it....just be prepared for a lot of Obama
supporters to say things to you like: "Miserable excuse for a human being," "fuck her to hell," "I'm really beginning to hate her," "I absolutely despise this woman," etc., etc.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5483017

Your points are very well taken, but just brace yourself for the verbal assault.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:28 AM
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17. You just don't get over it, do you?
And you apparently fail to understand how repeated lying and resort to tactics straight out of the Karl Rove/Lee Atwater playbook would ever possibly alienate people towards Clinton. If she is hated, she has earned it through her own actions; she doesn't get a pass on them because she's Hillary Clinton, or because she has a D after her name.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:35 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. That's not the point of this thread Spider....the point is that
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:37 AM by cboy4
Democrats should vote for the the Democratic nominee.

I didn't vote for Hillary, so you're not going to drag me into a debate about her.

But it was a good try.


on edit....typo, as usual
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:39 AM
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24. If this isn't a debate about Hillary...
then shut up with the comments about what some people have SAID about Hillary. If you are unprepared to discuss whether people have any justifiable reasons for being disgusted with the way she's chosen to conduct her campaign, then don't post comments from people that are illustrative of that disgust. And it may not be the point of the thread, but you chose to post something that's not the point of the thread either. So your non-response is nothing more than evasion.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #24
30. I will not shut about what some people have said, which
include: "Miserable excuse for a human being," "fuck her to hell," "I'm really beginning to hate her," "I absolutely despise this woman," etc., etc.

Oh no, I will keep talking about this.

And I will keep going after people I judge cross the line.

And unfortunately for you Spider, you don't get to be that judge.


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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. It's extremely ironic...
that you don't think that Hillary's statements that McCain had 'crossed the Commander in Chief threshold' while Obama had not, her employment of Rovian campaign tactics, and her blatant lies, haven't crossed a line. You have a deeply fucked-up sense of where that line lies, in my estimation.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. Well let's all just hope you don't hold an important job
where "estimation" is a critical responsibility.

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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:12 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. So, you mean you have no problem at all with Hillary's lies and Rovian tactics?
is that what you're saying here? That it's somehow worse for someone to say they hate her because of these things than it is for her to do them in the first place? You have no room to be saying anything regarding anyone else's critical ability if that's the sort of judgment you have.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:24 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. I don't believe she's this horrible monster you're making
her out to be -- or that anyone else is making her out to be.

I voted for John Edwards in the California Primary, even after he'd dropped out.

And I plan on voting for Obama or her .. whichever is the nominee.

Obama should be on his hands and knees thanking me.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #40
63. In this entire conversation
You have been throwing childish, nasty ad homs at cboy, while has has been attempting to keep the discussion focused on the OP.

Can't you even make an attempt to have a dialogue with someone without insulting them?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. He isn't trying to keep the discussion focused on the OP.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 08:46 AM by Spider Jerusalem
And I could just as easily make the lame point he's attempting to make, only inversely, by cherry-picking things Clinton supporters have said about Obama.

Oh, and I wasn't talking to you, anyway, so piss off.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. thanks for proving my point
again.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. In other words,
democrats should be ready to vote for Hubert Humphrey if he wins the 1960 democratic nomination. I surely will make that promise to anyone who thinks it is important. However, most of us know that Kennedy won the nomination and the general election.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. H20 Man, can we count on you to support Hillary
Clinton if she's the Democratic nominee?

I think it's important to get you on record.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. From the beginning
of the primary contest, I said that I would support the candidate who won. Absolutely.

What do you think of Marion Jones?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:09 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. LOL
No comment.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #17
61. Amen!!!!!
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:31 AM
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19. IF a bullfrog had wings....
Hillary doesn't have a chance in hell of getting the nomination anymore. This whole post is MOOT!
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:47 AM
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28. it's a moot point, because she's already lost the nomination
--so it's so hypothetical, I'm not even going to waste my time thinking about it.

no superdelegate is going to commit to someone who is endorsing McCain, tearing the Democratic Party apart, polling below 50% universally, on all questions (except DISapproval), losing to McCain in every poll (as opposed to Obama, who is winning to McCain in every poll), and (to top it all off) having the chutzpah and being embarrassingly desperate enough to go around to the SD's and cajole them to commit to her--it is pure human nature to resist that, because human beings will always want to demonstrate that they can't be manipulated or made to feel beholden to someone.

She is a pathetic clown now, an embarrassment. Even her "great standing" in Pennsylvania is in jeopardy, from double digits a short while ago to about 5 or 6% to even the possibility of losing altogether. She has more than proven that she is just more of the SAME OLD SAME OLD duplicitous, back-stabbing, Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush, backroom-dealing, LYING, cronyist, corporate WHORING, WAR MONGERING, IMPERIALISTIC BULLSHIT. The voters aren't buying her Rovian train wreck of a campaign.

If she had a shred of dignity, she would have conceded a while back, but she is determined to become the Katherine Harris of the Democratic Party. FUCK HER AND ALL OF HER LIES AND GOOD OLE BOY NETWORKING PALS like Rupert Murdoch, Richard Mellon Scaife, Dictator Uribe and Mark Penn, George Bush Sr and Jr. Although it's sad what's she's doing to the party, I'm glad she insists on going for the long haul because every day reveals more and more of what's underneath that botoxed phony front: a mean-spirited, phony, noncommittal LIAR who is a GIANT ASS-CLOWN.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:50 AM
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29. Oddly, the people most bitter about Hillary tend to know doodley-squat about her record...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:54 AM by Perry Logan
Here's her record. Please highlight the stuff that would make any sane person refuse to vote for her:

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:05 AM
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35. Even if I give her all of that
I could list all that and even more accomplishment for Ralph Nader, and he hasn't run his campaign like a combination between Dick Nixon and KKKRarl Rove. Even if Obama was cheated out of this thing, and he won't be, I'll go for the most honest candidate in the race and that by a long shot would be Ralph. It has nothing to do with the man or woman or the party, but with the content of their character. Hillary fails miserably in that regard.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:17 AM
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42. all that to go on, yet she feels compelled to attack Obama w distortions, implying
that she really has nothing to go on. She also said more than once that McCain was superior to a Democrat. She implies that she'd vote for McCain before she'd vote for a Democrat.

If she doesn't feel that her record speaks for itself and is superior, why should I? If her sympathies lie with the repukes, why should I bother my beautiful mind with her?
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:59 AM
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32. Hillary can only win by Supers overturning the will of voters!
Anyone who has had as much education as Jethro Bodine and grateated the sixth grade knows Hillary has no chance to overcome Obama's pledged delegate lead. So a Hillary win can be nothing more than shafting for Barack and his supporters.

I really don't want McCain in the white house, so I'll make you a deal. If Hillary uses the supers to steal the nomination, I'll vote for her. But, while I'm in the booth I'm going to vote straight Republican otherwise. Hear that "Mr/Mrs Super, I'll make you pay for her thievery, so make sure you really like her before you betray the voters, because it's you who will pay!
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:14 AM
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41. Listen to you promising to vote for the Republicans
:thumbsdown:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:25 AM
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46. the only way she could become the nominee at this point is a mathematical miracle, however
if by some meteor streaming to earth sort of thing she does, I'll vote for her in the GE.

BUT I will not assist her with the same level of enthusiasm I would asssist Barack.

She does not deserve any more than that.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:34 AM
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47. There's nothing wrong with Hillary's politics
and I laugh at the obamabot faux outrage every time she says something. I do have a problem with Obama's Pity Strategy. He's trying to get himself elected based on pity from Hillary's alleged attacks.

In any event, should Obama be the nominee, he will not intentionally get my vote. But he will get my vote by virtue of the fact I vote straight party Democrat. He's along for the ride, but at least I won't have to suffer from having to directly select his name in November.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:50 AM
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66. your avatar is highly appropriate
but not in the way you intend.

the one that attempts to play the victim most often is your candidate "the misogynist world done did me wrong" Clinton.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:24 AM
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51. Please don't use American Soliders in this way when Clinton voted for the IWR, voted to
send Americans off to die (and to be horribly maimed) so she could further her political career. I've seen a Clinton spokesperson do this and it truly is despicable (one of those "have you no shame" moments).
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:51 AM
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53. I will vote for the nominee
period.
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:51 AM
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54. Throwing your vote away
I may vote for Clinton; I may not.
I know I will vote for Obama. I am leery of some of the people who stand with him, but the movement to elect him reflects so strongly the desire for change, that it is my faith that our democratic society will temper some of the endemic idiocy of an elected bureaucracy.

If there is anything the past 8 years have taught us, it is that a person should vote the way they want to vote, regardless of so-called tactical voting. A vote is the only constitutionally protected way to force the leaders to change the direction of this country. In our country, it is as if the pilot and co-pilot of a plane have gone insane, and their kids are trying to decide where to land the jet. If two snot-nosed infants are fighting to control a plane before it runs into a mountain, the passengers don't argue with each other about which child is the better pilot. They try to find the best qualified person to take the stick.

I absolutely refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils.

My vote goes to the man or woman who best reflects my positive vision for the future of the USA. At this point, Clinton is very far from that vision, reflecting the same failed tactics, disingenuous rhetoric, and compromised loyalties we have increasingly seen for the past 50 years.

If Clinton takes the nomination, then people might accuse me of wasting my vote on someone other than the Democratic candidate. Heck, my wife, Mrs. 'Droid, has a more positive vision of the future than Clinton, and I might just write in her name. It may not get the Dem to win, but it will certainly send a message to our party.

And when those who voted for Clinton say, "You damn fool. You just threw your vote away," I intend to respond by saying, "So did you."
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:52 AM
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55. We don't need to worry because Hillary will concede soon
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:46 AM
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65. Should I get hired for a job after being caught blatantly lying on my resume?
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:56 AM
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69. She has a lot of work to do to get my vote.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:57 AM
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70. Hoping it won't come to that but if so
Yes, I will pull the lever for my party.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:58 AM
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71. She won't save any lives! Where has your head been?
McCain would be ham strung with Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.
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