NEW: ABC/Washington Post - Everything Poll - Huge - OBAMA - Surge

[kpete]

NEW: ABC/Washington Post - Everything Poll, Huge Surge
by: ourhispanicvoices
Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:09:03 AM CDT

A everything poll has been released.
The ABC headline is "Obama Surges on Electability, Challenges Clinton on Leadership"

WashingtonPost Headline is
"10 Point Lead Among Dems, Poll Says" Poll: 10-Point Lead for Obama
A new Post-ABC News survey shows increasingly negative impressions of Sen. Hillary Clinton

The poll covers electability, trustworthyness, favorability, etc... its full of good stuff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041503586.html?hpid=topnews

.........................

From ABCnews.com

Obama Surges on Electability,
Challenges Clinton on Leadership
Poll Shows Obama Ahead as Candidate Dems See as Most Likely to Win in November
ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER
April 16, 2008

Barack Obama has knocked down one of the three tent poles of Hillary Clinton's campaign for president, surging ahead of her as the candidate Democrats see as most likely to win in November. He's challenging her on leadership as well, leaving only experience as a clear Clinton advantage in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll.

On the eve of their debate before the Pennsylvania primary next week, Democrats by a 2-1 margin, 62-31 percent, now see Obama as better able to win in November -- a dramatic turn from February, when Clinton held a scant 5-point edge on this measure, and more so from last fall, when she crushed her opponents on electability.

The poll finds other pronounced problems for Clinton. Among all Americans, 58 percent now say she's not honest and not trustworthy, 16 points higher than in a precampaign poll two years ago. Obama beats her head-to-head on this attribute by a 23-point margin.

The number of Americans who see Clinton unfavorably overall has risen to a record high in ABC/Post polling, 54 percent -- up 14 points since January. Obama's unfavorable score has reached a new high as well, up 9 points, but to a lower 39 percent.

more at:
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4658063&page=1
http://www.ourhispanicvoices.com/

[Adelante]

1. "58 percent now say she's not honest and not trustworthy"

That's gotta hurt.

[Windy]

10. Weren't you an ardent HRC supporter awhile back? I'm curious

if you were, what changed your mind?

[Adelante]

11. No, you have me confused with someone else

I had researched Obama very carefully and last summer decided, if Wes Clark wouldn't run, I would support Obama. My reasons for supporting Obama are now solely him and his candidacy, having nothing to do with Clark, but I've never supported Hillary.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

15. You're thinking of Jim4Wes.

I confused both of them before as well.

[Adelante]

26. Jim4Wes is a dear friend of mine

I have him on Ignore for the duration, but he knows it's out of love and so we can do this without damaging our friendship. Tom Rinaldo and a few others, too. I couldn't take the stress of fighting with them. I'm a wimp that way. I can fight as hard as anybody, but with friends it really hurts me.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

39. "Jim4Wes is a dear friend of mine...I have him on Ignore for the duration..."

:rofl:


Thank you kindly for the laugh.

[Catherina]

41. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope it all works out.

I'm sure they appreciate your respect for their feelings.

[Adelante]

42. We're good, thanks

:hi:

[Catherina]

45. Good

I hate to see good friends get mad over politicians. I know people who still aren't on speaking terms from S. American elections 40 years ago :scared:

:hi:

[Zhade]

61. How do you deal with them supporting a proven liar?

Seriously - I've lost all respect for former friends who support her even after her Tuzla/NAFTA/hospital lies.

[madmunchie]

72. It is really terrible how this does affect relationships/friendships

although, on the other hand, it also creates new friends. I have a long long time friend that I have a hard time dealing with since Bush came into office. She has been a long time Repub, but it never really affected our relationship until I just couldn't accept her total ignorance on what was going on and her 2 votes for Bush. I even told her not to admit that to many people., and she asked me why, I told her the 1st time she voted for him was somewhat understandable, but the 2nd vote is inexcusable.....Although she is "sorry" that she voted for him now, she is a true and thru Repub, just waiting for the next Repub to come along and vote for.

[debbierlus]

49. I voted for her, & man, do I regret it

I am not in love with Obama by any means, but, Hillary is just a walking disaster. I cast my vote on Super Tuesday before she unleashed this horrible side of herself. I never would have voted for her after what I have seen these past few weeks.

She needs to go. Personally, I think she will drop out after PA. She is hemmorhaging at this point.

[Zhade]

62. Was it her lies that turned you away?

NT!

[Jackpine Radical]

29. Absolutely disastrous for Hillary, I'd say--

and equally disastrous for the party if we should for some bizarre reason end up nominating her.

Trustworthiness doesn't recover once it's lost.

[earthlover]

59. I am surprised that number wasn't much higher

[bjobotts]

94. ABC created those terms for her themselves. After debate they could have said

do you see her as less electable than Obama or phrased questions in any light that added something negative to her image and people would have agreed with it because she was negative in the debates by attacking him. Obama remained very 'presidential' in his manner and clearly is presidential. This poll is misleading because most people walked away with negative thoughts about Clinton's performance anyway and would have agreed with any negative comments and this poll came up with those 'words' and those questioned were just agreeing with the 'negativity'. Like I said, the ABC pollers could have used any negative frame and got the same response. ABC is fucked all around especially if you ever got to see G. Steph's hit piece on Kucinich where Kucinich made a fool out of him on his own show and really made it obvious what George was attempting to do. George is a back stabbing phony hitman for the republicans. A true snake in the grass.

[MagickMuffin]

2. Well when she's caught embellishing stories it's hard to believe anything she says

Reminds me of someone else, who's approval ratings have tanked within the last few years. Because it was revealed he lied and embellished stories, to take a nation to a War of choice against a nation that caused no threat to us.

[phrigndumass]

3. K+R for the "tent poles"

Senator Clinton's campaign is now like a one-legged dog, going nowhere.

Thanks for your post, kpete!

:hi:

[Leopolds Ghost]

46. Uh, Oh, she's getting up... she's a Yeller Dog, too!

[Zhade]

64. She's Lil Brudder - king of the dregs, minus three legs!

Only not ANYWHERE as cute or sympathetic.

[Voice for Peace]

4. ThanksKPete! ! I'm not surprised by this but love reading it. K&R

[Window]

5. Her negatives continue to rise. Good.

:kick:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. she has herself, Bill, Mark, Patti, Howard, James & others to thank for the tank

[Dr.Phool]

16. Awww, put the blame where it belongs.

Howard Dean :sarcasm:

[Leopolds Ghost]

47. If it Hadn't Been for Howard Dean, she'd be even FURTHER behind!

Clearly Howard Dean's efforts have failed disastrously :evilgrin:

[PoliticalAmazon]

17. And this is among only DEMOCRATS. Imagine what the # would be if it included the GOP voters. n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

30. I think it was among all voters.

"Among all Americans, 58 percent now say she's not honest and not trustworthy, 16 points higher than in a precampaign poll two years ago. Obama beats her head-to-head on this attribute by a 23-point margin."

[LiberalLovinLug]

44. Don't wish a negative

on any Democrat. I actually hope Ms. Clinton has a place in the new Obama administration. Yes she is ruthless but smart, and we need some of that to fight the GOP and their media pals in the next 8 years.

[Zhade]

65. She's a proven fucking LIAR. Fuck her!

We don't need scumbag "Democrats" like her.

[aquart]

92. So, if you caught Obama in a lie.....?

You'd kiss his ass as usual.

[demwing]

95. No. There are Liars

and then there are Damn Liars, and then there are Fucking Liars.

Determine for yourself where Hillary falls into this liars club.

[wryter2000]

73. I'm with you

I hope that the real message of this is that Republican-lite isn't going to cut it with voters any longer. That thoughtfulness and empathy trump "have a beer with" and "I know how to shoot a gun." That playing Karl Rove's game isn't a winning strategy any longer.

I sincerely hope the Clintons go back to their roots and lend their talents to either our next President (if it's Obama) or to the Congress (should the unthinkable happen). We're going to need everyone in the dark days ahead.

[Ken Burch]

91. I think she should be appointed to the Supreme Court.

She'd actually be progressive in a setting where she didn't have to worry about poll ratings. Like Earl Warren, she'd be better on the Court than in partisan politics.

[Zambero]

55. Hillary has taken to cannibalizing her own

If we can indeed consider ourselves to be "her own" anymore! Regardless, any other Democrat that dares to stand in her way must be crushed.

[Zachstar]

7. Just please remember everyone! Clinton can make a sudden comeback!!

So don't be getting lazy!! Please continue to support and phonebank!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

[BumRushDaShow]

8. K&R

:kick:

[kstewart33]

9. Another great post Kpete. Thanks! nt

[writes3000]

12. Anyone see the new Reuters/Zogby poll today? 51% - 38%! Yowza! n/t

[rox63]

13. Woohoo!

:kick:

[Scurrilous]

14. Great news.

K & R :thumbsup:

[book_worm]

18. these national polls are all showing the same trends--double digit Obama lead

Hillary and her kitchen sink have only made her more unpopular.

[RiverStone]

19. Can someone please airmail this to every uncommitted SuperD!

Gawd, what will it take for them to get off their ass and end this thing?!

Thanks for the great news.

K&R!

[BlooInBloo]

20. "increasingly negative impressions of Sen. Hillary Clinton"....

Golly Wally! I wonder if that's linked to Clinton's All-Negative campaign??
Gee I dunno Beave, let's ask Ma!
Ya Wally! Ma'll know!

[DerekJ]

21. Graphs

[DerekJ]

22. Kpete, Edit your post, and include the graphs in my previous post.

[featherman]

23. Politics 101: Don't nominate the candidate with the highest disapproval

rating that a majority of voters view as not honest or trustworthy.

The SD's know politics well enough to know this basic.

[Adelante]

24. Issues and Attributes looking good

But Obama counters with significant momentum on attributes and issues, and he now has advantages over Clinton of 31 points on electability, 23 points on honesty and 21 points as the candidate who would do more to change Washington.

Democrats in the new poll are more evenly divided about which candidate better understands their problems: 46 percent said Obama, while 41 percent said Clinton.

Clinton maintains a wide advantage on experience, but her 24-point edge as the "stronger leader" has eroded substantially in the new poll, to a 49-to-44-percent margin. And Obama is now on par with Clinton on handling the economy (he trailed by 14 points in the last poll) and Iraq (Clinton had been up eight points), the top two issues for Democratic voters. Additionally, Clinton's current 10-point lead on health care is down from 28 points.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041503586.html?hpid=topnews

[Araxen]

25. RIP

The Supers will not let somebody with such a high unfavorable rating be the nominee. It as simple as that. They would be giving away any chance at the Whitehouse. McCain may be an ass, but he isn't hated like Hillary is.

[DerekJ]

27. K&R

[nichomachus]

28. The sad thing is . .

it was hers to lose -- and she lost it.

She made several huge blunders.

1. She assumed it would be over by Super Tuesday -- and she had no plan B.

2. The mood of the country had changed -- and she relied on a guy (Penn) who was unaware of that.

3. The campaign totally misread Obama -- they still do -- and didn't know how to counter his appeal to large segments of the voters.

4. She relied too heavily on tactics that worked in the past, but had begun to turn off large segments of the voters.

5. She underestimated the rebound effect of "Clinton Fatigue."

The last one is a phenomenon that few people have picked up on. I compare it to having been in a relationship that ended. You still have some feelings for the other person, and, over time, you begin to remember the good times and forget the bad. So, you decide to try to "make it work." (Many of us have been there.) It doesn't take long, however, for all the bad things to begin to piss you off again and begin to overshadow the good.

I think that's what's happened with Clinton Fatigue. The absolute wretchedness of the Bush years made us pine for the Clinton years -- often forgetting the things that pissed us off back then. (Hell, the Bush years made me pine for the Nixon years.)

Then, once Hillary's campaign began unraveling and things started to not go her way, the campaign began flailing, and that has led to a series of blunders. That's like walking into quicksand. Once you're in, there are only a few things you can do to get out successfully. Continued flailing only gets you in deeper. I suspect that, like Bush, she listened only to her acolytes and inner circle who told her what they thought she wanted to hear. The fact that the country is headed in a different direction still hasn't sunk in.

[scheming daemons]

31. I wish I could rec this post.... it should be its own OP..

...

[Mz Pip]

34. Excellent anaysis

I think Clinton fatigue is playing a big part in this. Her running and not winning it outright by Super Tuesday allowed for a lot of the old Clinton mess to get stirred up again. Maybe we all forgot about it for a while but then the names started popping up - Monica, Mark Rich, Paula Jones, Impeachment and a return to that divisive time just wasn't that appealing.

She may end up being the candidate and if she is I expect there to be a rehash of every Clinton scandal 24/7. Personally, regardless of whether or not it is her fault, I just don't want to go there again.

[nichomachus]

35. Or as the old Clinton supporter said . .

“She has a very plausible case for president. She had an eight-year super-graduate course in the presidency, a progressive platform…” He paused, and added: “ I’m not sure I want the circus back in town.”

[mhoran]

82. Someone in her campaign should have brushed up on their Darwin

Adapt or perish. She and her team never recognized or understood the change in the temper of the electorate. I'm not sure they do, even now.

She hasn't changed her position on evolution, yet, has she?

[Catherina]

43. Even sadder is that instead of talking sense to her

her supporters enabled and encouraged her every step of the way.

[Zhade]

67. Your forgot SHE LIED and her lies were proven to be such.

NT!

[Kber]

71. Another poster on DU also pointed out how she and Bill never understood

the effect of the internet on today's politics, from fund-raising to fact checking.

Obama's people figured out how to exploit the new media better and faster.

It's a parallel to what Bill Clinton did in 1992, but they couldn't transition to the newer technology.

Personally, we need leaders who can grasp and use current societal trends.

[mhoran]

81. Someone in that campaign should have read Darwin.

Adapt or perish. She and Team Clinton never understood the change in the temper of the electorate. I'm not sure they do even now.

She hasn't changed her position on evolution yet, has she?

[LuckyLib]

87. Very well said. The country is over the Clintons but they don't know it.

Obama appeals to very different demographics in the country -- neither the Republicans (nor many Democrats for that matter) seem to be able to explain it. It's intangible. And a huge force.

[davidpdx]

96. That's it, the name of the yet unwritten book I want to read...

The name of the book I want to read next year hasn't been written yet, but you gave me an idea for the title.

Clinton Fatigue and a Floundering Campaign: Why Hillary Lost in 2008

or

The Clinton Dynasty: Hillary and Bill's Lies

or

The Clinton Legacy: Why Hillary's Campaign Flopped

Any other suggestons...

[cui bono]

32. It couldn't happen to a more deserving candidate.

Hillary's fall that is. She brought it all on herself.

[meow mix]

33. K&R

goodnight hilly

[InfiniteNether]

36. This is great news...for Hillary!

[muryan]

37. Just like when Obama won 12 or 13 in a row

It was all part of Hillary's master plan.

[SoxFan]

48. Idiotic? Is that you???

http://excellentnewsforhillary.blogspot.com/

[InfiniteNether]

98. No. I'm InfiniteNether, and I approve this message.

[Zambero]

56. Yeah, great news indeed...

Pretty soon she'll be able to take a nice LONG vacation.

[Hepburn]

38. GOBAMA!!!

K&R!!! :applause:

[Poll_Blind]

40. K&R! n/t

PB

[rndmprsn]

50. K&R

[stevenleser]

51. Wonder what the stats would be if it only included non-sexists from states that matter?

:sarcasm:

I know the subject of my comment sounds silly/stupid/whatever, but why dont I doubt that I will see some sort of variation of that posed as a serious question or statement?

[stevenleser]

52. By the way, kpete, K&R!!!!!

;-)

:yourock:

[wryter2000]

74. LOL. You nailed it n/t

n/t

[quantass]

53. Impressive!

[Zambero]

54. Some one get Hillary another shot, beer, whatever

She'll need about now! Just don't expect her to pay for it however, as that would be "elitist".

[ladywnch]

58. you don't really think this is going to influence her do you?!!!

she will stay till the convention no matter what....period. :-(

[Zambero]

80. Would that define "tenacity"...

or denial???

[ladywnch]

88. destructive stubbornness

[stevenleser]

57. Kicked!!!!

:kick:

[Zhade]

60. Good, more and more everyday are realizing they don't like a proven liar.

Thank you for the constant, easily debunked lies, clinton - you're sinking so fast it's awesome.

AWESOME.

[liberaldem4ever]

63. k & r!! n/t

[americanstranger]

66. Thank you, Mark Penn.

Reap the wind, sow the whirlwind.

You gotta wonder why she didn't fire that asshole when she had the chance.

- as

[myrna minx]

68. Great! n/t

[L0oniX]

69. K&R ...

but this is just going to make j*cks*n_d*m post another bull shit poll to counter this. Ignore is a wonderful thing.

[Bucky]

70. karma

[mcollier]

76. Watch the Debate tonight

Continue to refer people to www.barackobama.com


Join the movement for change.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

75. The 9% increase in negatives for Obama pisses me off

What could have caused that? It couldn't be Hillary's constant barrage of slime could it?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

77. IF Hillary wins any state next week, we'll have to question or democracy....again.

[ToughLuck]

78. Hillary, its OK..it just was NOT meant to be.

[tabasco]

79. I saw this reported on BBC America.

I wonder if the corporate US media will mention it.

[Major Hogwash]

83. But she's Rocky, don'tcha know? She's gotta get up off a the mat.

Get up, Rocky.
Get up.
Get up, Rocky.
Rocky, can't you hear me?
Get up now, Rocky.
Rocky?
You're not listening to me, Rocky.
Rocky, get up.
Get up, Rocky.
Rocky?

[Jack Rabbit]

84. Mrs. Clinton's negative campaigning has worked as well as it deserved to work

Some polls are showing Obama surging in Pennsylvania and overtaking Mrs. Clinton. Until about a week ago, I didn't think that was possible.

Mrs. Clinton began as a heavy favorite late last year. Not being her biggest booster, I quipped now and then that while she was the front runner at that time, I had faith in Terry McAuliffe to fix that before the first primaries rolled around. Almost as soon as the Iowa caucuses started, Mrs. Clinton no longer looked inevitable. My faith in Mr. McAuliffe to pull defeat from the jaws of victory proved well placed, firmly bases as it is on his sorry tenure as DNC chairman.

Too bad we can't get McAuliffe to run McCain's campaign in the fall. But I think we can win without that kind of help.

In any case, the Clinton campaign threw the kitchen sink at Senator Obama and missed. The opinions of Rev. Wright were those of Rev. Wright, not his best known parishioner. The words of Mrs. Obama were taken out of context, and everybody knew it. Americans weren't offended at being called bitter and angry, they related to that observation. By relating to it, they also demonstrated how absurd it is to call those words "elitist."

Obama has shown how to be a successful candidate in a time of great public cynicism toward politicians. All he had to do with say what was on his mind, with conviction and honesty. He didn't wet his finger and hold it to the wind before giving a speech about race; Mrs. Clinton's supporters at DU were horrified that he would dare to speak honestly. They were reacting as if they thought only what some focus group would say, not how they themselves perceived the speech. And yet, all us White people know other White people who think like Barack Obama's White Kansas grandmother. There was nothing offensive in that speech. It was the truth. The truth may be ugly, but it is never offensive.

Democrats who have been around as long as Mrs. Clinton, and unfortunately this includes Mrs. Clinton, are so afraid of the GOP attack machine that they dare not speak the truth lest they be called "weak on defense" or some such nonsense. For years, Democrats put up candidates who transparently told little white lies trying not of offend voters by challenging them to think about popular myths exploited by Republicans.

Something had to change and that was a good place to start.

What a refreshing change it is.

[aquart]

93. But not nearly as well as Obama's did.

Fucking genius at negative campaigning that man. Well, him or Axelrod.

[TexasObserver]

85. She can't hide ... her lyin' eyes

and her smile is a thin disguise

[crankychatter]

86. kicked and recommended

.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

89. Nearly there

[Postman]

90. So this is why they tried to take him down tonight....

They knew the poll results before hand and tried to take him down a couple of notches with their assinine questions.

I don't know which is sadder. Our suck-shit news media or our stupid-shit electorate.

[smalll]

97. Means nothing. Those are pre-debate numbers.

This debate was positively Wagnerian -- a Gotterdammerung as it were -- the Twighlight of (your strange new) God!