John Kerry = Elitist who could not connect with voters.

[MessiahRp]

Hmmm... I believe that....



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1029-03.htm

Rp

[Clintonista2]

1. John Kerry is worth between 150-200 million$

And Obama supporters claim that Hillary is elitist because she's worth 100mil. Therefore, by using Obamaton logic, Kerry was in fact an elitist.

[anonymous171]

5. Kerry never accused anyone else of being "elitist and out of touch"

That's because he was smart and knew that it would backfire, like what's happening to Hillary.

[Clintonista2]

7. No, but Obama supporters have called Hillary that SOLELY due to her income

Therefore, you fail, hypocrite.

[anonymous171]

8. She's accusing a man whose net worth is 100x smaller than hers of being "elite"

All the while lying about her love of guns. Whose the hypocrite?

[Mooney]

12. It's 100x smaller.

[anonymous171]

13. Whoops. I'll add a zero.

[sudopod]

15. What's an order of magnitude between friends?

amirite? ^_^

[Texas Hill Country]

14. she said the comment was elitist, not that he was.

[Mooney]

10. Get it straight.

We call Hillary a hypocrite, not an elitist. A hypocrite is someone who calls someone else an elitist when their own personal worth is 109 times what the person is worth whom they are besmirching.

[MessiahRp]

11. My personal opinion is look who they worked for

Kerry went to fight in a war voluntarily that he didn't have to go to, was a hero who saved the lives of his crew, came back and fought the Vietnam War and was instrumental in ending it, fought crime as a district attorney, volunteered for a humanitarian organization, and became a Senator who had a strong record of fighting corruption.

Obama came out of law school and instead of taking a big money job, worked with poor people before embarking on his political career.

Clinton worked for Sam Walton and defended Wal-Mart's empire and then while first lady supported her husband's policies of NAFTA (thus taking jobs from blue collar workers away), Republican Welfare Reform (discrimination towards poor people), DOMA (discrimination towards Gay People) and corporate deregulation (giveaways to the corporate elite).

It's not just their net worth that establishes if they are an "elitist". It is their actions and who they fight for that determines that.

Rp

[Bake]

16. Obama came out of law school and let his wife take the big money job

As a corporate lawyer at Sidley & Austin, as I recall ...

Bake

[anonymous171]

19. Good thing Michelle isn't running for president.

[Bake]

25. And yet there's a thread just today about how she is breathtakingly beautiful

And how great it will be to have her in the White House.

She's out on the campaign trail for Barry, making speeches and personal appearances. Funny how nobody asks her about her corporate legal background.

Chelsea Clinton isn't running for Prez either, but I've seen plenty of attacks on her, here on good ol' DU.

Bake

[MessiahRp]

28. Being "beautiful"and following a money trail and accomplishments are two different things

Just because some consider Michelle Obama beautiful doesn't mean that they want Obama to win because of it. They want Obama to win because of his temperment, his positions, his much more honest demeanor and yes because he isn't Hillary who lies, panders and slanders to destroy anyone in her path including the entire Democratic Party.

Rp

[anonymous171]

29. I see. You think that a First Lady actually runs the country

and just uses their husband as a front, just like Hillary implies she did?

[Bake]

34. Of course not.

You just like to have it both ways.

Bake

[fedupinBushcountry]

24. No HE isn't

Get your facts straight, Teresa happened to inherit the Heinz business after the tragic death of her husband John Heinz. Please show me where her money is his? He mortgaged his house in'03 to give money to his campaign, if he had $100 or $200 million, he would have been able to give cash like Hillary did in the amount of $5 million out of her bank account.

[blm]

46. Kerry UNCOVERED the crimes of the powerful elite - Clintons protected the powerful elite

who were running those illegal operations with GHWBush.

You REALLY want to compare?

Big difference between coming from privilege like Kerry and serving your nation honorably and advocating for its citizens' right to an honest and open government and the SERVICING of the privilege of the powerful and protecting their secrecy from the American citizenry as Clintons did throughout the 90s.

[rurallib]

2. It was the voting machines he couldn't connect with.

[Leopolds Ghost]

41. Best. Post. of the Day.

[anonymous171]

3. I can't believe she said that. Everyone knows that it was FEAR that won Bush the election.

Fear of gay terrorists getting married and blowing themselves up in front of the WH on their honeymoon.

[rockymountaindem]

6. Couldn't have said it better myself

Plenty of people actually believed their very lives depended on reelecting Bush and defeating Kerry. Maybe some people in the bluer areas of the country can't comprehend that, but I saw it every damn day. No Democrat could have won in 2004.

[bklyncowgirl]

4. An honest election in Ohio and he would have sent the Shrub back to the ranch

Sure there are things the man could have done but he tried and I have no doubt that he would have been a good president.

[undeterred]

9. Ouch, I'm in that crowd. That was such a day.

It was so powerful. I spent 3 hours loading the front section where everyone was screened, and then I went out into the main area and someone told me to turn around. People were there from Iowa and Illinois and Minnesota and all over Wisconsin. The governor said there were 80,000. (And the crowd was not there for Springsteen.) I remember thinking what a dignified, intelligent, good man we have to lead us out of this mess. We can't lose. And we won Wisconsin...

[Bake]

17. John Kerry, who rolled over and gave up the instant the polls closed?

THAT John Kerry? Yeah, I remember him. He quit on us. I guess he had to go windsurfing. Or maybe skiing in the Alps. But he quit on us. Sold us out.

I'll never forgive him for that.

Bake

[ProSense]

20. I think you just debunked Hillary's point and validated the OP:

Kerry won.

In fact, you validate Obama's point: some people are bitter.

[Bake]

22. You're damn right I'm bitter about Kerry.

That sorry fucker sold us out. I supported Kerry's bid in 2004 even more than I did the Big Dog's in the 90s. So yeah, damn right I'm bitter about it. But you go ahead and sing his praises, since he endorsed your guy. Oh by the way, he voted for the war, too. I guess he was for it before he was against it.

Plus, he ran just a sorry campaign. S.O.R.R.Y. He didn't respond to the swiftboaters. He didn't respond to the flipflop charge. He basically ran a shitty shitty campaign.

So yeah, I'm bitter. But it doesn't have me clinging to God, guns, and xenophobia. (By the way, I had my faith and my Smith & Wesson long before then ... and I've never been a xenophobe).

Bake

[MessiahRp]

26. You should redirect. It was JAMES CARVILLE aka CLINTONITE who sold us out

Kerry had a legal team ready to fight in Ohio when Carville called his wife who was working for the Bush team and leaked his strategy. They call Blackwell and he locks it down so Kerry has no real option.

Kerry was and has been a hero for this country. What happened to his was pure theft by complete criminals. But of course you'd take the side of the criminals because you don't have your facts straight.

Rp

[Bake]

36. Everybody knew what the strategy would be, for chrissakes.

It didn't tatke a rocket scientist to know that you go in with lawyers and challenge the count, etc. What, did the Bushies think he was going to call in a private army or something?

Blaming it on Carville, as reprensible as his actions (if true) may have been, is bullshit.

Kerry ran an awful campaign. Oh, but don't forget, Obots, that BILL CLINTON came off open heart surgery to campaign for Kerry ... maybe a little respect is in order for the former POTUS.

Bake

[MessiahRp]

39. LMAO

And he gutlessly told Kerry to pander AGAINST his principles and come out AGAINST Gay Marriage. Yes that wonderful man Bill Clinton who hardly campaigned for Kerry at all was so kind as to give the advice to Kerry to become a BIGOT.

What a terrific guy good ol' Bill is.

I'd rather have Kerry stand for his principles than be a shameless, pandering coward like the Clintons are.

Rp

[ProSense]

32. I know we've had this conversation before. Kerry "ran just a sorry campaign" and won

four years ago.

Engaging in a conversation of contradictions and BS RW flip-flop spin. Like I said before, enjoy your bitterness.

[Bake]

35. He got more votes in spite of such a sorry campaign.

It shouldn't have even been close enough to steal. And then he refused to fight for us. Quit on us.

Bake

[MagickMuffin]

30. Once again I'll ask this question How Could Kerry Contest Paperless Ballots?.?.?

I ask this question every time some jerk brings this up. I have yet to get an answer.

So, go ahead dbaker41, answer my question.


HOW COULD KERRY CONTEST PAPERLESS BALLOTS?.?.?

[MessiahRp]

40. Thank you.

They can't answer that and if Obama loses in the same fashion these people that apparently are ignorant enough to believe the RW talking points will say he ran a "sorry campaign" as well. If Hillary lost the same way though you'd better believe these people would get their pots and pans and protest! :)

Rp

[MagickMuffin]

42. It amazes me that I have asked that question every time I see someone post

that Kerry conceded the election, and didn't fight for the voters.

Again, CRICKETS from the poster dbaker41.

They can't answer it, because they KNOW there was no way Kerry could protest paperless ballots.

Not to mention the countless people who weren't allowed to vote. They waited for up to 10 hours to vote, standing in the pouring rain. The youth voters were also disenfranchised by Blackwell. It really pissed me off that an African American could disenfranchise so many people.:cry:

Ken Blackwell had it all set up to make sure the heavy Democratic voters didn't have enough machines at their precincts. The rethuglicons didn't have to wait at all.

Fake "terror threats" so the rethuglicons could count the votes in secret, with no one watching over them.

Rp, you're spot on about the possibilities of the different scenarios that could play out. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the shake down will play out this November. I do believe Obama could beat McCaineyBush, if it's a fair election. Hillary not so much.

[Quixote1818]

18. Obama connects with voters much better than Kerry and Clinton. nt

[BigDDem]

21. "Elitist who could not connect with voters."

How'd that election work out?

[MessiahRp]

23. He connected

The usually accurate exit polls indicated landslide but still Bush had enough people in enough key places stealing, not counting, vote switching or outright denying voters to prevent the inevitable win by Kerry.

And those usually accurate exit polls predicted a Gore win as well. Funny how they only failed under Rove's watch when his candidate was involved.

Kerry won and no it wasn't even close.

Rp

[BigDDem]

38. "Kerry won and no it wasn't even close"

someone should have told him that

[MagickMuffin]

27. These people don't think Kerry is "out of touch" and cannot connect with them

Kerry in Portland, OR




Las Vegas, NV




Raleigh, NC

[fedupinBushcountry]

31. Great pics

I was at the rally in Raleigh, N.C., I drove 200 miles to hear him speak, he was the first candidate since Bobby Kennedy who inspired me and made me an active citizen again. It was over 100 degrees that day.

[MagickMuffin]

33. I bitched a lot because he wouldn't come to Texas, I would have LOVED to see him

I watched every Kerry Rally that C-SPAN covered, and every one of them had wall to wall people. Kinda like the crowds Obama generates.

I'm glad you were able to see him, and braving the heat.

I :loveya: John Kerry

[eridani]

37. I really wish people would focus on the actual issue

People who get to the final stages of running for president are almost always in the upper 1% financially. This is not what this "elite" bullshit is all about. It's about repeating and agreeing with a GODDAM RETHUGLICAN MEME ferchrissakes! The meme is that ALL Dems are out of touch "elitists" and the Bushco haves and have mores are the true populists. Any Dem who says that about any other Dem is a traitor, period. The meme damages all Dems, including the ones who invoke it.

[beachmom]

43. John Kerry is the first politician in my Gen X life who I really connected with.

Sure, Bill was quite charismatic and I was excited when he won the presidency. But John Kerry, for me, was a once in a lifetime presidential candidate. Thinking back, the moment I connected with him was in the first debate with Bush, when he related a story of when he was a kid and rode his bike to East Berlin -- and got in BIG TROUBLE afterward. I also was touched by his concession speech, and unlike a lot of people, admired him that day for his grace and classiness. Two weeks after the election, he went right back to work in the Senate. God the pundits were nasty to him that day -- I thought, man does this guy have heart! So, I guess I don't understand the elitist stuff -- who you really are is when life is the toughest and you show your real mettle. Not what car you drive or the size of your bank account. Kerry showed that, and I will always be a Kerry supporter first and foremost.

[Unbowed]

44. His only mistake was having a brain at a time when voters didn't think that was a requirement

for the Presidency.

I'd like to think the "morans" have learned their lesson, but we still have quite a few who don't understand the concept of learning.

[ralbertson]

45. You know, JK didn't draw those huge crowds...

...just because nobody thought he was worth coming out to look at and listen to...