ABC picking up hillarys "Screw 'em" comment...

[george_maniakes]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/clinton-on-work.html

you reap what you sow

[ampad]

1. Oh Oh

Not good, not good at all.

[SwampG8r]

71. hey dude mind if i squeeze in? i brung ya some popcorn

gonna need it
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[NightWatcher]

2. YAY!!!

I hope she reaps the whirlwind of her words and actions

[anonymous171]

3. Sweet. I wonder if it will get mentioned in the debates.

[PoliticalAmazon]

29. Say, ABC is hosting the debates. Tres convenient. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

4. She is being called "Sen. Hillary Rodham Mellencamp" ?

:rofl:

[krkaufman]

88. Doubt if that's anything more than Tapper trying to start a meme

Tapper seems, of late, to be trying to make a name for himself, trying to break into the next level of faux journalism... the TV pundit shows... where opinion and name calling count for more than objectivity, but where loads of cash can be made by anyone willing to leave their journalism creds at the door.

[tekisui]

5. I'd rather be bitter than screwed!

[msallied]

28. Although I have to admit... if I were being screwed more, I'd be less bitter.

Hey-OH!

lol

[chknltl]

76. ahhhh....If only I was younger.....

...but then I'd be too tongue-tied to even say "hey". Welcome to the DU msallied. :hi:
chknltl, in Tacoma

ps: Have you ever considered frisbee disc golf? 90% younger folks, mostly in shape guys and there are plenty of courses in our area to include one in Oly frequented by students from Evergreen.
The downside: true disc golfer fanatics tend to put disc golf fairly high on their agenda list...generally higher than their S.O.s would prefer.
c

[LaurenG]

6. I think I may have said the same thing if I were her

let em go, and keep on keeping on. This is just a reverse "bittergate" and about as dumb.

I don't care if she said "screw em" and I don't care if Obama said people are frustrated/bitter in their lives.

I wish this was over, I'm getting sick of it.

[DaveT]

31. Thank you.

This is all the result of the party fixers arranging Super Tuesday. When 20 odd states all moved their primaries up to February 5, it left this anomolous six week gap between the Mississippi and Pennsylvania primaries. With no actual election returns to provide actual "news" to change the subject every week or so, the media have endless hours of screen time to fill with shuck and jive served up Barack and Hillary's respective covens of media wizards. It is all worthless crap -- Ferrarro, Wright, Tuzla, Bitterness and now, maybe, Screw Em. Stupid, worthless crap.

Our democracy was never all that pristine and nostalgia for the Good Old Days is a notoriously stupid game to play, but I can not remember any other election season playing out in such a trivial fashion. Sure, the Gore sighs and wardrobe choices of 2000 offer a precedent for this season -- but we are only in mid April and look at how much of this garbage was floated down the main stream so far.

It seems to me that the seriousness of our national problems regarding two indecisive wars and the cratering credit markets is so depressing to contemplate that, collectively, the performers and the audience all tacitly agree to stay focused exclusively on Stupid Shit.

It is a really weird season in America.

[BeyondGeography]

7. She's been on all sides of every issue

So confusing...

[cui bono]

8. oopsie...

[backscatter712]

9. Yep, it's time for her to get roasted.

I know that blogs aren't "real news" but don't tell me that nobody in Pennsylvania has heard this story yet.

The word's spreading. Eventually, the news is gonna look bad for being scooped (again) by the blogs and they're gonna have to cover this.

Think Olbermann will cover this? If this gets top billing tonight or tomorrow night, she's gonna get eaten alive.

[Bucky]

10. The first person who says "Screwgate" is gonna get rickrolled by me!

[Quixote1818]

47. Holy Jenna Jamison Batman! It's Screwgate!

Can I get rickrolled now? :bounce:

[Bucky]

61. For you, it's true, this bitter screw...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3vek-CVNFg

And leave me alone!

[Arrowhead2k1]

11. I loved reading this typical Hillbot's all-caps panic comment:

IF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA GETS THE NOMINATION,IT WILL BE THE END OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS WE KNOW IT.....
THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS LOST IT AGAIN..

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER....

DEMOCRATS NEVER LEARN.THEY DESERVE TO
LOSE IN NOVEMBER.

SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.....

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

12. See that blinking red light in the corner of your eye??

That's your career's 'empty' light. YOU have just self-destructed.

[sunonmars]

13. Funny this came from someones book and no witnesses to back it up

[tekisui]

15. Has she denied it?

:shrug:

[george_maniakes]

18. To be honest, i dont even know if whoever wrote that book is a credible source...

or not. Good point. i'm being lazy, and im hoping these journalists aren't.

[MadBadger]

24. Not true, Ben Smith is reporting that Religion Scholar Alan Shore remembers it the same way

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Wolfes_version.html

[cali]

43. nope. there were 2 other people who back it up and

they were witnesses. And if hillary hadn't tried to destroy Obama with bittergate, which was far more benign, I wouldn't care. But she did and now she's getting some instant karma.

[LibGranny]

89. There are 3 witnesses - can't give you names

but I read there were other witnesses - comment was made at Camp David to her husband - then pres - re Southern voters.

[UALRBSofL]

14. OP, thanks for posting the link from abcnews

I need to go reply to the article and post several paragraphs from Obama's book that will liven up the article a bit. Be Right Back.

[george_maniakes]

25. Oh God, you know how much crazy shit is posted in those comments?

Makes this place look like a polite forum.

[indimuse]

16. Did somebody say...

Hear - say..? BS and ANOTHER PERSONAL ATTACK ON HILLARY!!! CAPS LOCK!! FUCK YEAH!

[dionysus]

72. posting truth is a personal attack?

my my how thin skinned you little bots are....

:rofl:

[sniffa]

17. Ha ha!

Another Rec.

[malik flavors]

19. If they brought this up in the debate it would be crazy. I don't think they'll do it.

[tekisui]

20. They won't, at least Obama won't.

He has the luxury of being able to kick back and wait for Hillary to step in it. He doesn't have to swing. She does.

[WCGreen]

21. Something she said 18 years ago...

Hmmm...

And just a few days ago, I thought we were suppose to hate ABC...

I just can't keep up with all this blather...

[Hugabear]

26. 18 years ago?

Having trouble with that math thing again?

And if we shouldn't pay any attention to something she said 15 years ago, then I guess we shouldn't pay attention to anything else she did during her husband's reign. You know, all that "experience" stuff she's claiming while she was First Lady.

[guruoo]

51. You both failed this math exam

:dunce: :dunce:

Here you go...
http://www.calculator.org/jcalc98.html

[WCGreen]

87. I really think that this comment and the Bitter comment are

both silly...

Sure I am positive that some people will be offended...

But I truly believe that more people are offended by the actions of the republican party than will offended over some off the cuff remarks made by politicians behind close doors...

[Dr.Phool]

22. Was she on the Crown Royal again?

[Hugabear]

23. Bring out the pots and pans brigade...

The media is being mean to Hillary again...

[Arrowhead2k1]

30. Oh yeah, remember that?

I was snooping the Hillaryclintonforum.net forum leading up to their cute little protest when I saw some posts whining about people here. That's how I discovered the DemocraticUnderground. Thanks Hillaryclintonforum.net! :rofl:

[SoonerPride]

35. Welcome to DU

Hi there

[L0oniX]

58. Greetings and welcome to DU

[Tatiana]

66. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Arrowhead2k1]

69. Thanks people!

:loveya:

[Lucky 13]

27. Oopsy daisy!

"Screw 'em" vs. "Bitter"

Guess who wins?

[ralbertson]

40. "BITTER SCREWNS for OBAMA!"

I'm just sayin', is all...

O8)

[Chisox08]

32. Oh she just mis-spoked

She was drunk and she was sleepy and it was late at night and did I mention she was drunk.

[L0oniX]

59. Hmmm ...let me guess ...it was 3am?

:evilgrin:

[Chisox08]

81. No it was 3:01 am

Because we all know that she is ready at 3am but 3:01 am that's a whole different story.

[EFerrari]

33. For the love of Gawd. How much worse can this get? n/t

[MidwestTransplant]

34. Are the super delegates paying attention??? She is unelectable. Simply unelectable.

[Quixote1818]

36. Holy Shit! If they thought "Bitter voters" was bad, this is 1,000 times worse

She is in deep shit on this!

[Quixote1818]

37. And right before the Debate. Everyone will be tuned in and watching her defend this. nt

[Kber]

38. Maybe her thinking has evolved since then?

Mine has - I believe I'm a better, more generous and open minded person than I was 12 years ago thanks in large part to meeting and becoming close with people who I just didn't have the opportunity to know growing up.

Maybe?

[EFerrari]

45. So, do we subtract those years from the vast experience she claims?

Or?

I'm all for being a life long learner but saying a whole group of Americans should just get screwed is a little extreme. How steep would your learning curve have to be to overcome that?

[Kber]

55. I know.

I didn't vote for her in NJ. I really struggled with my decision b/c I thought I was choosing between 2 great candidates. If NJ were voting next week, it would be an easy choice.

I'm really trying to maintain an argument for voting for her in the General if it comes to that.

[EFerrari]

63. I hear you. n/t

[guruoo]

39. I pretty much felt the same way at that time ...13 years ago

[Eric J in MN]

48. I also don't want Democratic officials to make policies for the sake...

...of Republican voters today.

[guruoo]

62. For Republican citizens yes, for Republican "ideals" no.

You must understand most rank and file Republicans base their votes on
lies they've been told regarding the outcome of their leader's policies,
i,e,, that these policies will result in an outcome that
is in their best personal interest.

[OzarkDem]

41. Rumor, heresay

Did anyone really think some Obama/GOP supporter wouldn't try to dig up some unsubstantiated story about Hillary in an attempt to make Obama look better?

There's a recording of Obama's remarks however.

[MadBadger]

46. Ben Smith is reporting that somebody else is backing the story up.

Wolfe's version


My own judgment on the newsiness of Clinton's reported 1995 quote aside (and thanks for all the comments!), the religion scholar Alan Wolfe just wrote up his own account of the meeting, which me remembers the same way:

“Screw ‘em” was the term of art she directed--shall I say bitterly?--against white working-class Southerners. Harry Boyte, who was there, has also chimed in, pointing out, along with Barber, that Bill, by contrast, talked about the need to reach out to them.



A lot of people compare Barack Obama to Bobby Kennedy. To me, he most resembles Bill Clinton, at least the Bill Clinton I knew then.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Wolfes_version.html

[OzarkDem]

77. Got a recording?

If not, it would be very easy for someone to take remarks out of context, even if there are two people who say they "heard" it.

[guruoo]

83. In case you missed it....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5533705&mesg_id=5534906

Same OP also started another thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5534211#5534526

[cali]

50. doesn't matter- though it appears to have happened.

three people have said they heard her say it. And Obama's comments were awkwardly stated but empathetic. Hard to spin screw 'em. Tough shit for hillary and tough shit for the likes of you. you loved bittergare, suck on screw'em-gate. enjoy.

[tishaLA]

42. So close to the debate, too. So sad

I hope this doesn't hurt her.

[Arrowhead2k1]

53. Me too. I'm beginning to feel sorry for her.

NOT! :rofl:

[guruoo]

64. Timing is suspect, for sure.

[Eric J in MN]

44. If anyone else said that Democratic officials should appeal to the base...

...instead of trying to appeal to Republican voters, most people here would be applauding.

[EFerrari]

49. You may be right about that, but the problem is, in view of her latest

obvious pandering to the right wing, it's just dissonant.

[Kber]

73. Eric - that's a good point

just like Obama spoke a truth in an inartful way, Clinton may have been expressing a legit opinion, but in an inartful way.

However, her opinion on reaching out to traditionally repub voters seems to have evolved since then. This could be a great opportunity for her to explain how her thinking has changed in the past decade and why.

Is she up to the task? Can she turn a negative into a positive like Obama has demonstrated that he can. It will be critical in the GE.

[Quixote1818]

52. If she hadn't screwed Obama over on what he said, I wouldn't care about this

Things like this should be irrelevant in deciding a President. But since she took the low road I hope it blows up in her face and ends her run.

[nuncvendetta]

54. Obama could very easily bring this up while taking the high road

After Hillary inevitably bashes him for the "bitter" stuff, all he needs to do is say, "well Hillary, apparently in the 90s you once said _________ about Southern whites," but the fact of the matter is that I realize that people sometimes misspeak about stuff and am I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on it because you obviously don't hold this view. I only ask that we be professional and courteous enough to not assume the worst in each other whatever chance we get.

This 1) makes people aware that she is somewhat hypocritical and 2) contrasts her opportunism with his reasonable forgiveness and coolheadedness. High road while dishing the eye-for-an-eye dirt at the same time!

[BlooInBloo]

56. He won't bring it up at all, I wager.

[Quixote1818]

60. She won't want to touch bitter-gate tonight with this looming over her

She is totally between a rock and a hard place. If bitter-gate is brought up, she now must play it down which will make her look weak. If she runs with it then screw-gate will blow up in her face with the power of an atom bomb!

[guruoo]

74. Maybie not...

Hillary's good enough to turn something like this 13 year old 'screw em' into an opportunity.
Might this have been part of the plan all along... hmmmm?

[L0oniX]

57. SNAP

,snip>

Southern working class whites? Screw 'em

Black people? Screw 'em

States she didn't win? Screw 'em

Caucus states? Screw 'em

A candidate with hope and vision? Screw 'em

[msallied]

65. Okay, this seems like really small potatoes.

This was 14 years ago. Who cares? Man, if I ever needed a reminded to never run for President so that even two words I uttered over a decade ago wouldn't be regurgitated by a sensationalist media...

So says this Obama supporter.

[guruoo]

75. So, how good is Hillary... really?

Might she be good anough to turn this 'screw em' into a scandal of opportunity?

[msallied]

80. Only if Obama tries to use it against her.

And I doubt he will.

[guruoo]

85. Or the moderator brings it up.

[Bigleaf]

67. You know, as angry as I am at Clinton, the media is fucking all of us over big-time. Never a fuckin

peep about McCain, but anything and everything either Obama or Clinton says or does is gone over like CSI Miami at a fucking crime scene. Fuck them!

[rucky]

70. That's exactly why we need our nominee ASAP!

[Kber]

78. Too true!

Time to dial back the mud fest.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

68. I'd rather be called bitter than screwed, Just me... n/t

[oviedodem]

79. Her campaign had no comment on it when reported.

[guruoo]

82. Well, well, just take a look at what we have here.....

What made you wait so long?

Clinton on Working-Class Southerners, circa 1995: "Screw 'em"
ABC News ^ | 4-16-08 | Jake Tapper
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:37:09 PM by kingattax
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2002605/posts

ABC picking up hillarys "Screw 'em" comment...
Posted by george_maniakes (537 posts) Wed Apr-16-08 05:47 PM


:rofl:

[tabasco]

84. Hillary had the audacity to launch the "kitchen sink" slime strategy thinking her shit don't stink!

Too bad, Hillary.

[guruoo]

86. She just handing your own sink back to you

quid pro quo, baby!

[tabasco]

91. Wrong answer, Sparky.

Who the fuck do you think coined the term "kitchen sink strategy?"

It was the scummy, desperate Clinton campaign, genius.

[guruoo]

94. So you say

I first saw it used by an Obama supporter here on DU.

[JasonHill]

90. Hillary's shortsighted attacks

She and Bill have both made comments echoing Barack, so all this does now is hurt the entire Democratic/liberal movement.

[Markosito]

92. There is no audiotape, video tape, or confirmation

This is a rumor, unlike "bittergate".

[AtomicKitten]

93. Do tell - looped over and over again on tee-vee. Karma demands it.