*********OFFICIAL DEBATE THREAD #1**********

[Starbucks Anarchist]

[OhioChick]

1. Which channel is it on? n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

ABC.

[OhioChick]

6. Thanks. n/t

[Radio_Lady]

44. Thanks so much, SA. Appreciate your help. RL

[Subdivisions]

37. Aren't we still boycotting ABC? Why didn't I get the memo? n/t

[EFerrari]

I can't get in. Hope someone blogs it.

:(

[Starbucks Anarchist]

112. Try abcnews.com.

[EFerrari]

That's where I went. They have a link to the stream and it just sits there. nt

[RiverStone]

188. Guess it is not live on the west coast - not on ABC in WA??!

[CADEMOCRAT7]

west coast did u find it

i am looking at ABC and i can't find it online ??? i am in the bay area ???

[EFerrari]

202. I find all this fluff but no live link. n/t

[CADEMOCRAT7]

205. 8:00pm west coast time ABC

I just found out.

[tekisui]

2. knr n ohhhhh yeahh!

[Bucky]

46. A Haiku upon the occasion of tonight's debate, written in tribute to my beloved DUers

Clinging to bitter
screws, the inexperienced
candidate gets drunk

[Aloha Spirit]

66. awww

[SharonRB]

3. What about this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5534623

[bigwillq]

5. That one discriminates (nt)

[muryan]

7. This is the inclusive thread i believe. nt

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

4. K&R

[Phoonzang]

8. BLOOOODDD!!!!!

Well maybe not, but probably some bruises.

[McCamy Taylor]

9. I brought the gumbo!

:dem:

[rocktivity]

10. Live stream (ABC Philly affiliate)

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/politics&id=5901553

:headbang:
rocknation

[Leftist Agitator]

Is there some reason why the video of the debate won't play?

I tried your link, with no success.

Do you have another?

[Radical Activist]

201. Nothing happens for me either

oh well

[Leftist Agitator]

210. Weak!

I was really trying to watch this!

Oh well, I guess I can watch the Simpsons and laugh my ass off.

Probably not as funny as Hillary's pandering and spin, but what are you going to do?

:shrug:

[intheflow]

200. Thanks for posting.

It doesn't start here for another 45 minutes. :hi:

[tekisui]

11. Obama gets to set the tone.

[knixphan]

12. I'm making martinis...

[Phoonzang]

19. I have a 12 pack of Guinness

[sniffa]

61. I'm on my 2nd

It helps me listening to HRC's turn. :o

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

13. Hillary gets claps, Obama gets woo hoo shouts. Hee.

Hillary looks great in that color.

NO YELLOW.

[crispini]

14. Yay, an inclusive thread!

FUCK that Candidate supporter segregation. THAT'S BULLSHIT.

[Tatiana]

15. Obama wastes no time pressing the frustration of the American people issue. n/t

[crispini]

16. Smart.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

17. Recs, Folks. nt

[crispini]

18. Nice suit, HRC.

Sounding good too!

[babylonsister]

I like it, too; good color. nt

[bunnies]

She looks great in that color.

Good on her that she didnt wear yellow. ack!

[Lisa0825]

64. She has a LOT of great suits!

I have suit envy!LOL! If she ever donates to Goodwill, I want pickins! :rofl:

[NDambi]

20. I got margaritas for everyone...Go Bama

[Tatiana]

21. Hillary agrees with Obama in opening statement.

People feel as if government is not providing solutions for the problems they are facing.

[crispini]

26. Gets in plug for website right off! LOL

WTF ... Commercial already?

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.

[jgraz]

22. What is she looking at?

Her eyeline seems a bit high

[PresidentObama]

28. She seems rehearsed and is looking around like she'll forget her lines.

[Adelante]

23. Anyone who can give some detail

Appreciated :)

[crispini]

33. Introduction, then went to commercial!

How lame!

[NJSecularist]

24. Hillary's opening statement was much better than Obama's. n/t

[jenmito]

42. I disagree. Obama put the issue of the day out there and tied it to HOPE, so he's no longer NOT the

candidate of hope. And mentioning your website in your opening statement doesn't seem really powerful to me.

[NJSecularist]

79. Oh give me a break, not this question. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

25. They should be running together against McCain, not against each other.

[Tatiana]

27. OMG... Hillary just referred people to "hillaryclinton.com"

Didn't she try this before with the townhall thing?

[Phoonzang]

34. That kind of ruined her opening

Which I have to admit was fairly good.

[Tatiana]

45. Totally. She was on a roll until she made that plug. n/t

[Adelante]

36. She needs $ nt

[tishaLA]

40. looking for donations

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

29. Commercial then back to 90 min. of debate.

[jgraz]

30. Jesus, commercials already?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. Hillary: "I was saying Pennsylvanians were bitter before Obama was saying it."

I kid, I kid.

[CherokeeDem]

32. A Commercial??? Already!!!

Well...this is going to be fun.

[The Ghost]

35. I like the theater they are in!

n/t

[crispini]

43. It's very small.

Why are they giving us Constitution quotes? Weird!

[rocktivity]

38. PREAMBLE: OBAMA.

His was a little more focused, did not back off from frustration people are feeling, mentioned the control of interest groups.

She alluded to the fact the a black and woman were running.

:headbang:
rocknation

[jgraz]

39. Obama totally should have worn a t-shirt saying "I'm with Bitter"

[crispini]

47. SNORT! nt

[babylonsister]

54. LOL! nt

[CherokeeDem]

81. Love It!!!! nt

[sniffa]

100. Does everyone have me on ignore?

I AM NOT BUTTER

:x

[jgraz]

149. Yes. It's a conspiracy

Time for you to post a creepy poem and start your own forum. :hi:

[jgraz]

153. wrong spot

[Hardrada]

211. Not I. I don't have anyone on ignore.

[NewHampshireDem]

196. Alright. jgraz, the jig is up!

I know you are really the David Letterman of DU ... no one man can be that funny. It is obvious that you have an entire room of writers locked in a room somewhere feeding you lines.

:rofl:

[jgraz]

212. A room of writers? Is that where all these voices in my head are coming from?

[high density]

41. Ads, ABC is so wonderful.

What a bunch of jerks.

[uponit7771]

Good question....reasonable

[crispini]

48. Question re: Unity Ticket

Moment of silence, gets laugh.

[crispini]

56. Obama says VP spot is premature right now.

Still trying to figure out who the nominee is.

Dems will come together in August. (you're more optimistic than me, dude)

[Radio_Lady]

57. Startling... it's what I would most want... but won't happen. Too much friction, etc.

[OzarkDem]

62. Obama dodges the question

and lectures again. Boring.

[bagimin]

Boring for you and 2 others here

[bagimin]

134. OOOOH she admitted she isn't inevitable

[rocktivity]

99. ROUND 1: UNITY TICKET: OBAMA

Is confident that Dems will come together despite Dem Nominee contest because beating the GOP is too important.

Hillary: I will do everything I can to make sure a Dem is president.

:headbang:
rocknation

[tekisui]

49. Starting with politics. States won, and "dream ticket"?

Not addressed to either. Gibson is an idiot.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

I liked the awkward silence.

[spanone]

50. the first question is a fucked one

[spanone]

start off with a 'gotcha' question ..

[McCamy Taylor]

I like that idea about the unity ticket !!!!

[NJSecularist]

Me too. n/t

[Tatiana]

51. Charlie asks about Unity "Pledge"

BOTH of them are initially SILENT. (Laughter)

[Subdivisions]

What a stupid, loaded goddamned question! Fucking idiots.

Will you pledge right now whoever wins will choose the other as the VP nominee?

Phuck you, Charlie!

[matcom]

55. beat me to it

:eyes:

[AlinPA]

59. Gibson is a jerk.

[NDambi]

52. Ha Ha..a moment of silence on the VP thing..lol

[NDambi]

120. She didn't answer the question

[jgraz]

53. Gibson is an idiot

[Radio_Lady]

68. I think it is a perfectly reasonable question. It is still on our minds.

Colonial times and bright minds.

Appropriate response from Hillary... whatever we have to do.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

84. That's a given. Hillary looks itti bitti on that stage tonight.

I'm pro- Obama, but she looks fabulous!

[crispini]

58. Obama is wearing a nice blue tie. And is that suit navy?

Good choice.

[Tatiana]

60. Is it me, or does Hillary look almost wistful tonight?

For some reason (this may change later), she seems to be showing a little vulnerability.

[jgraz]

76. The last two or three debates have seemed like a farewell address for her.

[crispini]

63. Ahahaha, citing the 'second place guy gets the VP spot' from constitution.

Gibson is teh funneh. :D

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. I remember Cheney placing second in the primary.

:rofl:

[crispini]

77. SNORT! nt

[muryan]

65. Important to be addressed

but not by an idiot like gibson.

[spanone]

72. it's an obvious answer does he really think that one of these would support mccain?????

[Radio_Lady]

88. Muryan, he's a respected ABC news journalist and personality. Get a life...

Sincerely,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[muryan]

136. Did he expect to get a real answer out of that question?

Either he did and hes naive or he didn't and I'm really not sure where he wanted to go with it.

[babylonsister]

67. She's going to do everything she can to make sure one of them

takes the oath of office; yeah, right. :eyes:

[PresidentObama]

71. Which is code for "Vote for me in 2012"

[AlinPA]

74. After she trashes him to the end.

[Tatiana]

70. "I will do everything to make sure the people who supported me will support the nominee."

Was that an admission from Hillary?

[Adelante]

80. She's got her work cut out for her there nt

[crispini]

85. Indeed nt

[crispini]

73. Hillary says if it's Obama she will do what it takes to make sure her ppl support Obama.

Says she will go anywhere, do anything. :wow:

Talking about the pain of the Bush years, how much Republicans suck. Yay Hillary!

[MadBadger]

75. Don't Focus on Chelsea BOOOOO

[Bucky]

87. I would vote for a Barack-Chelsea ticket

After all, she has the experience. She lived in the White House for 8 years!

[tishaLA]

78. Cuomo...pledge to take the other as running mate

Obama: extraordinary journey that we have been on, but it's premature to talk about VP candidates because we still don't know the Pres nominee. We will be united in Denver. We see people's economics (sic) falling behind and McCain wants to continue them. I'm confident Clinton and Obama supporters will support the nominee

Hillary: I am going to do everything I can to make sure one of us will take the oath of office in January. We are still contesting to see who will be the nominee, but we will close ranks and become unified. I will go anywhere to make sure the party is unified. I have seen the damage of the Bush years and I have seen the extraoridary pain of those who have lost sons and daughters in Iraq, and sons and daughters who didn't have health insurance. So we will make sure we get a Dem in the WH in January

[crispini]

82. And it's RIGHT to 'bittergate' LOL! nt

[jgraz]

93. And he'll give Hillary the last word on it

:banghead:

[anonymous171]

83. GHasiodghlasj gBITTERGATE! @$#!@$!

[shadowknows69]

91. Nice way to editorialize on that question Gibson you asshole

[AlinPA]

86. Guess what? Bitter shit (Gibson).

[crispini]

89. O totally pointing out the fact that economy grew, ordinary ppl got squat.

Hopefully by the time fall rolls around everyone will realize that and VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

[aaronbees]

95. Important part of his message

Now talking about wedge issues and the way they divide and distract.

[Tatiana]

90. Obama gets a Bittergate question. Says it's not the first time that he's made a statement

that was "mangled up." ONCE AGAIN CLARIFIES what he meant.

This is the first economic expansion that we just completed, in which ordinary people's incomes have gone down when adjusted for inflation.

[uponit7771]

92. He'll knock this one out of the park, too

[uponit7771]

O God, now she's going to try and play common

[crispini]

94. Wish they would let the audience clap.

It's way more fun that way.

[tishaLA]

96. Bitter Question

Not the first time I made a mangled statement and it's not going to be the last. People are going through very difficult times right now, and that was true even before the crisis from the mortgages. The point i was making was that when people feel Wash isn't listening to them, they focus on the things that are constant like religion; they end up being more concerned about guns. And wedge issues, hot button issues, end up taking more prominence. And we never get....what people need relief on. And yes people are frustrated and people are angry.

[NJSecularist]

97. Very nice answer by Obama. He hit that one out of the park. n/t

[MadBadger]

98. Obama just knocked that out of the park.

[jenmito]

104. Now Hillary is STILL sticking with the answer that got her booed before!

[anonymous171]

101. omg Clinton grandfather

:rofl:

[Subdivisions]

119. delete. wrong spot. n/t

[grantcart]

102. I lived my whole life in Scranton except when under sniper fire

[Inspired]

lol!

[Adelante]

131. Haha

:D

[crispini]

She's hammering on 'cling' of course.

She's going to hammer that one into the ground. :eyes:

[oviedodem]

103. Hilliary really does not want to talk about faith with Obama

[oviedodem]

125. That is not the question Hilliary. How long did it take for her to say yes

[jgraz]

105. Bite me, you disingenuous scumbag.

[fishwax]

106. They just ran an Emergency Alert Test here in the middle of the debate

:wtf:

Great timing, folks ...

[AlinPA]

107. Her usual "hunting, guns, religion, my grandfather, Scranton...blah")

[Colobo]

108. Hillary sucks.

[babylonsister]

Here she goes; shame on you, Obama, for mentioning guns,

religion and anything else I can nail you with! :spank: But she can think why people might be offended by his remarks? Is that why she blasted them all over the country? Oy.

[MadBadger]

109. Call him elistist...I dare you

[Tatiana]

110. Obama's Bittergate answer KICKED SERIOUS ASS!

Hillary is sort of backpedaling on her initial Bittergate attacks.

[The River]

111. Here Comes The Grandpaw Story

the mill worker with a lake and ducks!
Who does she think she is with this grand daughter of a mill worker speech?
Is she channeling John Edwards?

[Tactical Progressive]

113. Obama talks all around bittergate

"I made a mistake and I'll make more..."

Probably his best option.

Hillary was pretty soft in pointing out her perspective on it.

But the moderators aren't letting it go.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

& She goes off the rails on Religion.

You are better than this, Hill.
Who the hell is advising her?!

[tishaLA]

114. Hillary didn't say "Lancaster" like a Pennsylvanian

We natives put the emphasis on the first syllable.

[Adelante]

167. How else is it pronounced?

If not, LANcaster?

[MadBadger]

It was a simple yes or no Hillary.

[NJSecularist]

115. Stephanopolous, you are an idiot. nt/

[NJSecularist]

148. Great answer by Obama right now. n/t

[Tatiana]

116. OH SHIT... Georgie asks Hillary whether she thinks Obama can beat McCain.

Hillary looks PISSED.

[jenmito]

121. And she praised MCCAIN!

[Thepricebreaker]

130. AGAIN!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

135. Asked her again.

Giggle time.

[anonymous171]

Where are the fucking issues?

[The Doctor.]

117. Dodge!

Not answering the yes/no question.

Oh Hillary...

[crispini]

To Hillary: "Do you think Senator Obama can beat John McCain"

We have to beat McCain, we'll do everything to make sure it happens.

Hillary saying McCain will be formidable candidate.

[The Doctor.]

129. She won't answer that.

ever.

[AlinPA]

133. Yes, yes, yes! 2nd time around.

[jenmito]

137. When pressed, she said YES. Loser.

[Joe the Revelator]

118. Why wouldn't she just say "Yes! Barack will beat McCain, there is no doubt" instead of parsing

her language.

[crispini]

124. Indeed!

And then George beats it out of her. :eyes:

[Thepricebreaker]

122. There goes Hillary talking highly of McCain again..

[DerekJ]

123. Boooorrriinnngg

[Life Long Dem]

126. What does she think that eople literally cling to guns? Damn!

[rocktivity]

127. ROUND 3 "BITTER" QUESTION: OBAMA

Stuck to his guns, admits he misspoke but sticks to his story about what he meant.

:headbang:
rocknation

[crispini]

139. What was Round 2? LOL nt

[MadBadger]

128. Thanks George...Good job getting that out of her.

[shadowknows69]

138. I'm impressed myself

[grantcart]

132. so thats where she learned to hit with negatives

[aaronbees]

150. Exactly

Learned from those who bashed her and Bill. Barf.

[The Doctor.]

140. Obama - UNITER, not divider.

Sid Hillary could beat McCain.

There's a class act.

[Tatiana]

141. Started a new thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5535232

[high density]

142. Wow this is about the most substanceless 'debate' I've heard so far

Horrid.

[oviedodem]

154. 20 minutes of total crap!

[babylonsister]

156. Yep. They're discussing their personal 'issues'. nt

[tekisui]

169. All petty politics, no issues.

It's what the race has become.

[peoli]

143. Coalition!? Coalition!? I dont see no stinkin Coalition!

[anonymous171]

144. He's attacking her on her elitist comments

[crispini]

145. Obama rebuttal re: faith, gun owners supporting him. nt

[OzarkDem]

146. Clinton did very well on the last question

Watch the live link for audience response...

[The Doctor.]

except for the fact that she didn't answer it.

[OzarkDem]

178. Audience thought she did well

[The Doctor.]

207. Ummm... she DIDN'T answer the question.

She's trying to imply that Obama cannot beat McCain. Obama said either of them can beat McCain.

Who has more class?

No, don't answer... I'd hate to have to ask you to lie. ;)

[grantcart]

147. head on great job

[Tinksrival]

159. WOW

He nailed her!!! SPIN HILL

[uponit7771]

151. Thank you Obama, this needs to be said. The gotcha shit isn't helpful

[anonymous171]

152. Oh he's shaming her to death with her cookie comments

[PresidentObama]

GREAT rebuttal!!

[Adelante]

185. What did he say?

[AlinPA]

168. She said R's jumped on his comments re:bitter. As if she didn't.

[crispini]

155. "you take one statement improperly phrased and you just beat it to death"

it's not helping that person who's sitting at the kitchen table who's just trying to pay their bills.

Obama talks about the "at home making cookies" comments that were made by Hillary YEARS ago in the original campaign; says he's certain that's politics BUT.....

"SENATOR CLINTON LEARNED THE WRONG LESSON FROM IT" SCORE!!!!

[uponit7771]

165. Yeap, her Rovian tactics STINK

[crispini]

170. He totally took a chunk out there.

Ain't nobody listening to her 'rebuttal' LOL

[McCamy Taylor]

157. Nice guy Obama called Hillary a dirty trickster and elitist at the same time.

Good one. Not quote a tko, but close.

[jgraz]

158. HAHAHAH -- brings up the cookies quip!!!! WAY TO FUCKING GO BARACK.

:rofl:

[muryan]

161. brilliant.

[crispini]

162. he totally scored LOL nt

[McCamy Taylor]

171. Yep, it is cool when Obama uses the low blows and dirty tricks esp from the GOP playbook

[anonymous171]

190. No he was warning Clinton not to go to far.

[blonndee]

175. What did he say??

I don't get to start watching for another 30 minutes (Mountain Time here).

[McCamy Taylor]

He said that people called Hillary elitist over her "cookies" remark.

[crispini]

160. oh she's MAD NOW ZING!!!!

[babylonsister]

163. She's full of it: she created this 'bitter'gate. nt

[McCamy Taylor]

176. No. Obama said it. The press reported it.

[anonymous171]

183. Clinton pushed it.

[McCamy Taylor]

191. Obama pushed Sniper-gate to discredit her accomplishments in N. Ireland and other places

[anonymous171]

192. Don't start with that.

[yourguide]

164. She is such a liar.

Talking about the manufactured outrage. She makes me sick.

[Colobo]

166. Hillary looks annoyed. Looks like a defeated candidate.

[anonymous171]

172. OMG She's pulling that 35 years BS

[uponit7771]

173. O GOD!! Something ELSE that wont help anyone !!!!

[crispini]

177. Trivia and BORING can't believe they're chatting about this. nt

[caseycoon]

203. I wish they'd stick to the issues! n/t

[crispini]

174. hey -- time for a new thread? nt

[anonymous171]

179. OMG PASTORBATING!

[jgraz]

180. FUCKING WRIGHT. FUCK YOU CHARLIE GiBSON!!

Go crawl up your own fucking ass you worthless hack!

[GodlessBiker]

194. He's trying to look like Ben Franklin with those glasses.

[AlinPA]

181. Pastorbating. (Gibson)

[nashville_brook]

208. i am so totally writing this down. Pastorbaiter. Accckk!

[crispini]

182. NEW THREAD HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5535232&mesg_id=5535232

[uponit7771]

184. THANK YOU OBAMA!! Prove that these people don't pay a BIT of attention to reality!!

[spanone]

186. why charlie gibson?

[uponit7771]

189. Really, I'm disgusted with that question. He's addressed it sooooooo many times already

[DUyellow]

187. this is boring. About to watch American Idol

[countmyvote4real]

206. You're right. Thanks for the reminder. n/t

[anonymous171]

193. They're just fanning the flames!

[DerekJ]

195. Oh - for the love of GOD

[OzarkDem]

197. Obama doesn't do well on Rev Wright discussion

If nominated expect the GOP to go after him heavily on this . There's not much he can say that the audience likes.

[babylonsister]

199. He's doing just fine imo; Clinton's own pastor praised Wright. nt

[OzarkDem]

204. Watching live feed w/ audience response

[anonymous171]

198. Steph is playing the "love america" shit

[keep_it_real]

209. Obama give her a break and all but defends her and she

Returns the favor by attacking him. But he is looking good and way, way ABOVE Clinton's tactics and setting himself apart from the old style attack politics as he continues to say that he is.