Don't call ABC. Call a WAAaahmbulance!

[TheDebbieDee]

They're being mean to li'l ole Barack! By the look in his eyes he looks like he's been hurt.

Listen, Hillary's been getting dumped on everyday by every pundit on every network since the second week of January. It doesn't get any easier to take, but at least most of us have stopped crying about it. (That's cause we are all cried out!)

You Obama supporters gotta stay strong and stop freaking out! If Obama wins this nomination, you my all be basket cases too sick to vote in November!

[saltpoint]

1. We're a tough bunch. And ABC is a gaggle of Puke tools.

[tekisui]

2. Obama has held his own.

He is just fine, thank you very much.

The media wants ratings, let them have it. I want a President.

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[Jamastiene]

32. Are you in second or third grade?

Grow up.

[Cha]

35. Why? He's right..

hilary is pathetic loser and an inveterate liar..

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

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"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."


<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[NDambi]

4. Yawnnnnnnnn

[uponit7771]

5. lol....whatevah, the moderators were unprofessional

[Markosito]

6. Obama has actually won this debate

his performance has been great.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. We should have used pots and pans instead of a phone and words

[crispini]

8. Eh, the mods were sucky to both, and didn't you want to hear about the issues?

I mean, 40 fucking minutes on fluff? I thought I was watching Geraldo.

[Dawgs]

9. And Hillary admitted she is a liar.

And you, apparantely, are okay with that.

[LSK]

10. did you read Assault on Reason?

:shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

11. But they were supposed to demand that she explain "screw 'em " for half an hour.

Didnt they get the emails from the Obama camp?

[LSK]

12. 818-560-1000 go to #2 then #6 then # 639

[LittleClarkie]

13. We would, but they've been monopolized by y'all

.

[C_U_L8R]

14. A stacked deck and Hillary still couldn't win.

no worries here.

[Fox Mulder]

15. That's a nice thing to tell your fellow Dems.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

16. I agree.

They're acting like a bunch of crybabies.

[AtomicKitten]

17. Hey, we are done with your kind of politics and we are now the majority.

Take that weak shit to the park where maybe the squirrels might care. Seriously. How low can Hillary's negatives go? I think you are about to find out. No worries; we'll show proper respect by applauding her every step of the way as she collapses under the weight of her own hubris.

[rgbecker]

18. BITTER DEBATE WATCHERS FOR OBAMA!

[2rth2pwr]

41. LMAO!

[SoonerPride]

19. Pardon us if we'd like to see someone discuss some MOTHERFUCKING ISSUES

LIKE HEALTHCARE AND THE GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING WAR.

[2rth2pwr]

42. Even after tonight, Wright is still an issue.

[cali]

20. what a silly post. what's sad about this debate is not so much that

Obama is being attacked, but that the audience deserves a real debate on issues. Clearly you don't give a crap about that, but most people do. Folks where I live are hurting and they're scared. Scared because they don't know how they'll keep their families warm next winter, scared because when they go to the grocery store, their dollar buys less each week. Scared because gas is so high.

Oh, and I don't worry about Obama. He's not like that perpetual victim candidate, hillary dearest. He's unflappable. He deals with the shit being flung at him, instead of whining incessently. He has the qualities we need in a President. Hills? Ack. She's just pathetic.

[rocktivity]

21. This had nothing to do with Barack. This had to do with the moderators WASTING TIME

with fluff questions and GOP talking points. This is the worst thing ABC has done since that phony 9/11 miniseries.

:headbang:
rocknation

[anonymous171]

22. I guess you didn't care about the lack of questions on issues?

[ProSense]

23. Call ABC and a Waaahbulance for Hillary "Shifty Eyes" Clinton.

Despite the ambush, he owned this debate.

[high density]

24. Please lord, restore the ignore list

I can't believe how shitty this place becomes without it.

[Torgo Johnson]

25. No Kidding.

I am this close to taking my fist and putting it right through my monitor.

[2rth2pwr]

43. Oh, now you're clinging to the religion thing.

[thewiseguy]

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[quiet.american]

28. Stephanopoulous and Gibson were a disgrace all around. They should be embarrassed.

But they're paid too much to comprehend what total fools they made of themselves. I often wonder how it feels to sell your soul to make a living.

[GoldieAZ49]

29. No pillow tonight

poor baby

[AZBlue]

30. I was horrified by the questions they asked both candidates.

And if you were a real Democrat, you would be too.

[Hepburn]

33. I agree...

...it was a REPUKE hit piece.

I am sorry that some can only see if from one side ~~ it clearly, at least to me, was an assault on Dems. We should all be outrages that ABC would have this little control on the contents of what is basically programming to educate the public. Absolutely disgusting.

:hi:

[AZBlue]

37. I've emailed all over ABC and I was completely non-partisan.

And you're right - I think this was a right-wing assault on both candidates.

[stillcool]

31. Bitter?

[SOS]

34. This isn't about Clinton or Obama

It's about ignoring the issues while wasting an hour on gutter gossip.

[cui bono]

36. You've completely missed the point. The "debate" was full of tabloid questions

for the first hour. Is that really okay with you?

Geez. It's not all about a particular candidate. Can't believe you didn't notice that.

[igor2008]

38. Think Wright, Rezko, Ayers every single day in the GE. Barrack is unelectable

[quiet.american]

39. Because goodness knows, there's not much the GOP can dream up against Hillary! (It's "Barack" btw)

[Lilith Velkor]

40. I'm just gettin my schadenfreude on

Oh yeah. :popcorn:

[cooolandrew]

44. Wait wait wait. Randi, Ms Power several others no-one has been above a reaction here...

I mostly called for a calm response myself to the ABC THING.