Todd: Clinton needs to win NC

[davidpdx]

Chuck Todd pretty much said after the debate that Clinton needs to win North Carolina and pretty much 8 of the last 10 contests to stay in the hunt for the nomination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24167850#24167850

Edit:Just to clarify things, I support Obama. Since the signature lines are off you can't see the logo in my sig line

[MoJoWorkin]

1. Ain't going to happen.

[saltpoint]

2. Senator Obama is gong to bury her alive in North Carolina.

Todd's a pretty sharp analyst -- she would need to defeat Obama in North Carolina, which she will not, and so if Obama continues to surge in Indiana, that is quite a pile of delegate wins on May 6th.

Senator Clinton has lost the nomination.

[quakerboy]

14. She would have to be alive

for that to happen. And her campaign is pretty well into undead zombification at this point, so I do not believe that is applicable.

[saltpoint]

26. LOL. At her political funeral, Howard Wolfson is planning a 21-snow shovel

salute.

[rug]

3. She has a good shot at 6 of them.

[papau]

4. nonsense - NC has the usual AA 95% vote post Obama making the election about race by saying

the Clintons were racist (I know it was campaign spokespersons that said/implied that - and that he just refused to say that such thinking was nonsense - as if he did not control staff during those 2 weeks after the Hill win of NH when Obama had to change the subject to kill her momentum).

[quantass]

5. What are you talking about? Someone get a straight-jacket!

:crazy:

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[Cha]

21. I didn't know that...it's usually

on ignore with obvious reason.

[papau]

37. You didn't know that because it is not true - but no matter - DU atheist love may be gone for me

[papau]

36. Liar - as in Zhade in the post above is an atheist that resented being told he was wrong

[babylonsister]

8. To reiterate: you are usually on 'ignore', and you reinforced my reasoning. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. Papau is a good person, he's just a devout Hillary person

Papau is loyal, and that seems to be the main thing that drives Hillary supporters.

I consider myself loyal too, but its different for me.

[davidpdx]

9. It wasn't the campaign spokesman that said/implied that it was about race

it was Bill Clinton comparing Obama's win in SC to Jessie Jackson in 1988. If it had come from a spokesman, then sure writting it off would be easy (or just plain firing the person), but Bill?

[PM Martin]

20. Obama has to get more than just the AA vote if...

he wants to win the general.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

22. This has been an Obama state the minute Edwards was out

All of the NC Delegation of US Congressmen had endorsed John Edwards.

Today two of our top Congressmen have endorsed Obama, joining one who already did
so a few weeks ago.

The fact is, until Iowa, black people didn't hope that a black person could
get elected, regardless of how great he/she would be.

Then, after South Carolina, many more defected from Hillary.

There are still black people loyal to Hillary, but not so much.

We have a good candidate with a new way of doing things.

Its hard to represent change using the argument of 8 years first lady and 35 years
experience.

[PseudoIntellect]

25. Do you understand the math?

If she doesn't win NC, she'll have to win by impossible margins in the other states.

[TSIAS]

6. From recent polls, this will not happen

She may win Kentucky, but he'll win North Carolina and Indiana is now a toss-up.

[babylonsister]

7. Moving them goal posts - - again? Ha! nt

[davidpdx]

10. Actually I support Obama, the sig lines are off because of high traffic

And it was Chuck Todd who said basically she has no chance unless she wins NC and most of the other remaining contests

[babylonsister]

13. SHE was moving them, not you. No probs!

:hi:

[Adelante]

29. Reading my mind -- again nt

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

11. She needs to win every remaining state 65 to 35 just to tie up the pledged delegates

[McCamy Taylor]

17. Or have the polls show Obama losing Florida and Michigan if their votes aren't counted.

And thereby losing the GE. TYou have got to remember a lot of political shenanigans went on to make Obama the winner including keeping the Mi and Florida votes out of play. If neither he nor Hillary reaches the magic number of delegates and those votes would put Hillary over the top, it is going to get brutal.

[Alexander]

18. Even if FL and MI were counted, Obama would still be ahead in delegates.

At this point the question of seating their delegations is irrelevant. They won't change the outcome.

[cali]

31. sorry. the most recent poll shows Obama beating McCain in MI

and hillary losing to McCain. Try again. And no matter how you slice it, she's very unlikely to get the nomination.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

33. Correct me if I'm wrong

but I believe elections are based on votes, not polls. Keep dreaming.

[earthlover]

12. I get so tired of the goal posts moving....

Hillary has to win PA by 20-25%. Boy has that changed. Given time, now she just has to win PA....

Similar to other goal post movements.

When Obama wins NC, then Hillary will have to win....another state.


All the way to Puerto Rico. Which will decide nothing. Same thing for PA.

[johnnydrama]

15. yup

He'll win the same 5 states that he was predcicted to win a month ago, she'll win the same 5 states she was predicted to win, and it'll basically be a draw.

[McCamy Taylor]

16. Now that would be changing the goal post. They looked shaken up at Countdown Dont know why

That silly prize fight over at ABC looked bloody but it is not likely to have a lasting impact on Democratic voters. It was more of a test run for a Republican debate.

[SoCalDem]

24. Totally Tubular

[MaineDem]

27. She needs to start raising more money, too

I don't think she's going to win NC. Indiana is also looking good for Obama. But Hillary isn't raising the funding she should be. That's going to do more toward stopping her campaign than losing NC.

[Mezzo]

28. No she doesn't. She needs Puerto Rico, and she'll get it. OBama needs to win PA, and I am not sure

HE can now.

[mikekohr]

30. After Iowa She Was A "dead man walking."

Senator Clinton has ran a poor campaign. She had a poor strategy based on big states and inevitability. She did not have a plan "B." She has not resonated with the American People. The longer the campaign has run, the higher her negatives climb among all demographics, including Democrats.

While her personal attributes of tenacity, toughness, and intelligence have kept her in the race, her inability to connect on the intangibles and the flawed management of her campaign have kept her in second place in this race, from day one.

In spite of the shortcomings of her campaign, she may have well won the nomination, given her unprecedented institutional advantages. But the machine ran into a movement. A movement whose time has come. A movement that will not be denied.

Insurgencies can be derailed if the person at the head of the wave is weak, over matched, and unready. Senator Barack Obama is strong, up to the challenge and ready on day one.

mike kohr

[Tribetime]

32. good luck with that and thank's for playing

Vanna has some parting gifts for you on your way out.

[Eurobabe]

34. Clinton won't win NC, it's a non-issue

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. Clinton needs to win PA first. -RiF

By at least 22%.

It's over.

Still.