I missed the debate. How did it go? N/T

[panader0]

[Muttocracy]

1. Charlie and George lost! nt

[Brundle_Fly]

9. America Lost.

[bhikkhu]

My bit of response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5542450

[anonymous171]

2. Imagine what Bill O and Hannity would ask our candidates.

That's the debate, in a nutshell.

[laconicsax]

4. So which one pledged to surrender to the 'terrorists' first?

[anonymous171]

8. Only interesting part was Hillary pledging to nuke Iran if they attacked Israel

or something like that.

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14. That is a lie...

Never said anything about physical force, and you know it.

[anonymous171]

16. "something like that" was the key phrase.

I wasn't shocked. The only thing that shocked me was Steph parroting Hannity with the Ayers question.

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19. Oh..come on

They are on competing networks.

[AX10]

3. Obama cracked onto pressure.

Showing that he cannot win in the fall.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Obama cracked and Hillary cackled

Well not really. Obama was fine and Hillary still cackled.

[mcctatas]

6. ...

:spray:

[Mezzo]

65. say whatever it takes to get you through the day. nt

[StevieM]

22. I hope you're right. I don't think the debate will be a deciding moment, except that Hillary may

have re-introduced herself as acceptable. And if Obama is badly hurt by the "bitter" comments then she will finally be able to take advantage. She may not have been able until now due to the Bosnia story. But she might have finally dealt with it tonight. That story is the beginning, middle, and end of why her campaign has collapsed over the past 3 weeks. Her answer was good, but she should have hammered home her point about the fact that she was the one who literally wrote the book that told the story correctly. That's her best defense against the charge that she deliberately lied. But she did mention the book, and that was important.

Steve

[AX10]

29. The "bitter" comment was stupid.

Just because one is a sportsman/woman and/or hunter does not make one "bitter".
She did reintroduce herself to the American public tonight.

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7. Not so good for the pro-Obama folk.

Hillary had real policy ideas and Obama had

Ummmm

Ummmm

Ummmm

...That I have disowned...

Charlie Gibson: "You disowned him?"

[Brundle_Fly]

10. You think Clinton won?

I think the only winners were big oil, pharma, and banks.

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11. Yeah.

I do. She was smart, apologetic about Bosnia,

And she rocked his ass on policy!!!

And by the way....

Obama lied!

The cap on FICA tax is over 100,000. Not 97,000

[lapfog_1]

12. Has does one apologize by saying

"I KNOWINGLY misstated the facts".

She admitted that she LIED. You can't come back from that. That toothpaste is out of the tube now. No amount of "I'm sorry" is going to make it go away.

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13. Right.....

So, who won?

Who looked like a, ummm, ummm, ummm, :crazy: leader?

[lapfog_1]

27. So far, everywhere I've looked... Obama won.

Hillary did not look like a leader.

ABC sucks.

This was intended to promote John McCain by destroying the leader for the Democratic nomination.

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48. Asking your collection of Snuggle Bears....DOES NOT COUNT!!!

[TheDonkey]

17. She appologized for the lie and begged for forgiveness for making a mistake. We all make mistakes

then turns around and goes on a hypocritical lie-fest about Obama and "bittergate" the woman is a liar and a creep. Her apology was about aas sincere as a log.

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23. And Obama said ...

It was alright. It comes with the turf.

Is he right?

[lapfog_1]

28. He knows that 57 percent of voters now believe that Hillary is dishonest.

Which she is, apology or no. And that makes her unelectable against anyone, even John McLame.

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31. According to the same people who brought you the 'debate?'

[lapfog_1]

35. No, according to a CNN poll. Which I'm sure you are aware. - n/t

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36. There were at least 2 nationwide polls today.

They all spelled dire and despair for the Clinton folks.

ABC/Washinton Post had a result that was similar to what you had said.

Let's see where those #s are in a week.

[lapfog_1]

37. This poll was a question about Hillary and honesty... not a "who do you want to win". -n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

38. And I am pretty sure that ....

They quoted their own poll.

If you have evidence to the contrary...well...sock it to me!

EDITED to provide remarks from the transcript...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Clinton, we also did a poll today. And there's also questions about you raised in this poll. About six in 10 voters that we talk to say they don't believe you're honest and trustworthy.

[Window]

63. I absolutely despise her.

[StevieM]

15. Panader, I'll repost here what I wrote in an earlier thread where someone who missed the debate

asked the same question.

Nobody won or lost the debate. There was nothing special or horrible about it. They both did fine. Neither had a big slip-up or a big succusful moment. All this talk about biased moderators and bad questions is silly IMO. To me it was just another debate. This one focused (for the first half) on the candidates being forced to answer questions that they hadn't fully addressed--Bosnia, Wright&Ayers, etc. Their answers were fine.

The only really good/bad moment for the candidates worked in Obama's favor (and I'm a big Hillary backer). He had a great reply to something she said on Social Security and she got 5 seconds to reply before they cut to commercial. That may have hurt her slightly, but it was hardly a knockout. (Although I can't see how Obama supporters are complaining since the big decision by the moderators tonight which may have affected one of the candidates was the decision to go to commercial at that point).

I doubt this debate will change anything, other then Obama looking foolish if he turns down the North Carolina debate after the ratings for this one come out. Any debate on network television is going to get much better ratings then one on cable, I suspect. And I think that will turn up the pressure on him to take the NC debate on CBS.

Steve

[TLM]

51. I agree.... this was a republican style debate.... tabloid

and i think Obama got questioned more aggressively... but this wasn't much of anything new.

Same old hack gotcha non-issues, gaffs and spin.


I do not think either did badly.


But the overall "debate" was just more hostile and smarmy towards both candidates than previous debates.

[Yukari Yakumo]

60. Agreed.

This was an attempt at a slime job by ABC, and neither one fell for the bait. WaPo and Kos so far have already noticed, and they won't be the last to condemn the debate either. The other networks would be totally foolish to pass on an opportunity to discredit a rival and make themselves look good in comparison (regardless if they actually deserve it).

Obama and HRC did ok, given what they had to put up with. However, Charlie and Georgy must die. Make their blogs explode... no, make everyone's blogs explode. MSNBC, CNN, hell, even FOX. Let them all know we weren't fooled.

(edit- damn I hate typos.)

[Zachstar]

18. McCain won

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57. What did he win?

Yet another case of "Tucks" medicated pads?

[EFerrari]

20. . . .

:spank:

:rofl:

[Catherina]

21. Dbdmjs1022 brilliantly summarized "For those who didn't see, the debate in a nutshell"

Dbdmjs1022 (55 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM
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For those who didn't see, the debate in a nutshell

Mod: Senator Clinton, how do you feel about Iraq?
Hillary: I feel we should leave.

Mod: Senator Obama, why do you hate America?
Obama: I love America, it's been good to me.

Mod: Senator Clinton, do you feel that poor people should have more money?
Hillary: Absolutely

Mod: Sen. Obama, when was the last time you and Reverend Wright plotted to blow up an Embassy?
Obama: Can't we just talk about the issues instead of this tabloid stuff?

Mod: Senator Clinton, what is your kitten agenda
Hillary: I feel kittens are soft and fluffy and should be cared for.

Mod: Senator Obama, someone you went to grade school with was arrested 8 years ago for kicking a kitten. Why do you hate kittens?
Obama: How is this relevant at all?

Mod: Senator Clinton, tell us exactly how brave you were in overcoming your husband's adultery?
Hillary: i was very brave. God helped me.

Mod: Senator Obama, it's all over the internet that you are an evil Muslim elitist terrorist. Why are you an evil Muslim elitist terrorist?
Obama: I'm not. And weren't you just asking me about my CHRISTIAN pastor?
Mod: The one you blow up embassies with?
Obama: What? Are you serious.

Mod: We have to take a commercial. Senator Clinton, we realize that we haven't paid enough attention to you and we deeply apologize.
Hillary: Quite alright.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5541695

If you like, go recommend.

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24. That is not very nice...

[Catherina]

26. You'll get over it as easily as some people are over the war

If you want nice, go pour yourself a "nice" cup of hot tea. Nice ain't got nothing to do with politics especially not while our tax dollars are being sucked up in two wars to go boom, boom, BOOM on innocent people.

It's accurate. That's all I care about.

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30. I agree on THE WAR

And that's one of the reasons why I am supporting the person that I am.

[Catherina]

32. And her promise to "massively retaliate" against millions of innocent people?

Was that music to your ears?

How about her idea for an "umbrella" of little serf states we'll protect mafia-style in addition to Israel?

CLINTON: Well, in fact, George, I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel. Of course I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States, but I would do the same with other countries in the region.

...we've got to deter other countries from feeling that they have to acquire nuclear weapons. You can't go to the Saudis or the Kuwaitis or UAE and others who have a legitimate concern about Iran and say: Well, don't acquire these weapons to defend yourself unless you're also willing to say we will provide a deterrent backup and we will let the Iranians know that. Yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation, but so would an attack on those countries that are willing to go under this security umbrella and forswear their own nuclear ambitions...

More war. I'm surprised she didn't cackle with glee.

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33. Don't you think that we should ally

With the more reasonable parties in that region?

Like Jordan?

[Catherina]

39. No. I think we need to leave people alone. Quit rearranging

their boundaries for them and governments for them and then acting all surprised when things go wrong. We don't do it out of the goodness of our heart and have no business meddling in other countries affairs the way we do.

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43. That is not how the world works.

[Catherina]

46. We'll see. It's McCain, Hillary and more wars against decent people right now n/t

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47. You forgot Poland!

I mean, Obama. He also pledged a commitment to the state of Israel.

[Catherina]

49. Obama pledged a reasonable committment

for our "interests" which I don't agree with but that's how civilized nations work. Hillary pledged more war.

Judging by your posts, I'm sure you've grasped the difference so quit wasting my time playing dumb.

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50. Right....

... which I don't agree with but that's how civilized nations work

So you know how the world works, but you don't agree?

[Catherina]

53. Could you be any denser?

If following sentences on this board is too difficult for you, stick to http://www.teensforhillary.us/

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56. You are condescending and mean.

And wrong.

Is this how you treat people outside of DU?

[Catherina]

58. Deliberately obtuse people yes.

Especially people who go from thread to thread ignoring all the facts in it. If you donated and any of the Admins here promised you a Rose Garden, demand a refund.

Edit. A better suggestion, donate and then you can put me on ignore. If you haven't noticed, I rarely respond to your posts unless you directly address me. If you don't like my answers, don't address me. I'm here to help my country from stepping off a cliff, not to make friends. Wars tend to take my sense of humor away. Lots of people in this country are bitter remember?

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59. I am honest with you in our little spats.

You are unreasonable and rude.

As far as the debate and politics goes, ...

The US has an obligation to protect Israel. That is not too tough to grasp, right?

Iran is a great country. Unfortunately, a nut is in charge. And..,I actually wish they would take away his White House Press Pass....He gets enough free propairtime.

[Catherina]

61. The US has no obligation to protect Israel or any other country

The US has an obligation to take care of ITS own citizens. Actually, I'm honest with you. You persist in ignoring facts, spinning for your own purposes and being obtuse. That's extremely rude when talking with people. My brother died in this fucking war. I have no patience for bullshit.

The guy in charge of Iran is no more of a nut than the thug in charge of Israel whose Shin Bet wouldn't even provide security cooperation to President Carter's Secret Service detail.

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62. Once again...

I don't ignore facts.

I am honest with you.

I don't spin.

The "guy" who is in charge of Iran is a nut. He threatens war every day.

[smalll]

34. In other words, you're blaming the officiating -- (subtext:

Hillary won!!! )

Booyah! Booyah, indeed!

[Catherina]

41. Keep staring at your pictures instead of the numbers. ABC Poll Results

Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama squared off ahead of next week's crucial Pennsylvania primary.

Who won the Democratic debate?

Sen. Barack Obama
20,604

Sen. Hillary Clinton
7,223

It was a tie
2,157

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/popup?id=4668064

And they're all like that. Well, with the exception of trash sites like HillaryIs44 where polls are the equivalent of an attendance roster for the forum.

How delusional can you get?

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42. They didn't call me!!!

Were they supposed to have?

Well, I hoped the ABCONLINETEEHEEPOLL Respondents remembered to clear their cookies at least 30 mins before getting into the pool. They could get a stomach ache, after all.

[Catherina]

25. Here's the transcript

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=3

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

40. thanks for the transcript link!

peace.

[Catherina]

45. You're welcome. YouTube much of it up already. Peace n/t

[Raine]

44. It was pathetic

the questions were so lame and stupid. :silly:

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52. I know..

It is sad that he wasn't better prepared for tonight.

[Raine]

54. It was the QUESTIONS...they were irrelevent

and didn't address what's important in this country. It was half over before they came to anything with any substance. Yes Georgie and Gibson should've prepared better, then maybe the debate would've been a serious discourse.

Edit: typos

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55. Yeah...

The media always has the people's business as their major priority.

[Vinca]

64. Read this Tom Shales review. Says it all.

When Barack Obama met Hillary Clinton for another televised Democratic candidates' debate last night, it was more than a step forward in the 2008 presidential election. It was another step downward for network news -- in particular ABC News, which hosted the debate from Philadelphia and whose usually dependable anchors, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, turned in shoddy, despicable performances.

For the first 52 minutes of the two-hour, commercial-crammed show, Gibson and Stephanopoulos dwelled entirely on specious and gossipy trivia that already has been hashed and rehashed, in the hope of getting the candidates to claw at one another over disputes that are no longer news. Some were barely news to begin with.

more . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/17/AR2008041700013.html