Hillary paints the Super Delegates into a corner

[wileedog]

When pressed if Obama is electable, she quite forcefully answers "Yes yes yes."

Now certainly every single SD has heard the sales pitch from the Clinton camp that he is not electable, that he will lose the GE, and they must overturn the PD vote or McCain will win. I'm sure most of them know she did not mean what she said tonight, she just didn't have the courage to state it in a national debate to his face.

But here's the rub. If the SDs overturn the PD and popular vote, it is THEY who will have to answer to the people. It will be the Super Delegates *themselves* who will have to go in front of an angry Dem electorate and explain that even though the majority of people wanted Obama as the nominee, THEY decided he was not electable.

How exactly are they going to do that and keep their own jobs when the person they are electing instead just stated on national TV that he is indeed electable? That the candidate they are choosing already said he could win?

She just lost the election officially - publicly conceded in fact. It just hasn't struck enough people yet.

[lapfog_1]

1. Well, you see, he's electable NOW

but he WON'T BE by the time of the convention!

(yeah, that's the ticket)

And we were predicting this before when we stated that the Super Delegates would need to decide who is more electable by some yardstick or other (that we had to keep changing to find one that actually DEMONSTRATES the point!).


:sarcasm:

[SunsetDreams]

2. She's done

[davidpdx]

3. Good point

and I'm sure the Clinton's are trying to back away from those comments by saying she was put in a difficult situation and had to say yes. It really wouldn't surprise me if someone ended up going to the media if indeed she or her campaign is doing this.

[StevieM]

4. Nope, just more Obama spin. Obama had his chance tonight to say that the SDs were obligate to vote

for him if he won the PDs--he turned it down.

Hillary needs to win the elected delegate count (not including caucuses, which are not elections) and the electoral college map. Winning the popular vote would help too. She also needs to get the PD lead down to about 75. If she can do that then they go to the convention.

Steve

[CakeGrrl]

5. The electoral college map??? That has nothing to do with the Democratic primary

The candidates win pledged delegates in a primary.

Counting the electoral votes the state will carry in the general election as if you've earned them in the Democratic primary was just another move by the Clinton campaign to pull a scenario out of thin air under which they could portray Hillary as winning ANYTHING.

She's behind on all counts.

[FlyingSquirrel]

8. I couldn't see what Ignored said, but will gladly furnish all with a link

to the latest electoral map which shows how Obama and Clinton are doing against McCain in all the battleground states as we speak.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5544447&mesg_id=5544447

[OzarkDem]

9. Not sure I agree with your maps

That Obama would win WI and MI, but not Clinton? Or that neither candidate could win Missouri? No.

[FlyingSquirrel]

12. Follow the link

These are all the margins by which each candidate currently leads or trails McCain in each state, based on ALL the polls taken (not cherry-picking or going with just the latest one). As such the electoral maps above are just a reflection of current reality. They aren't a prediction of what will definitely occur in the General Election, but they ARE an indication of how far behind Clinton is in certain states compared to Obama, and how much more difficult her task would be to win some of the states and gain the necessary Electoral Votes.

[olkaz]

16. Haha, I couldnt see what IGNORED said either :)

[earthlover]

6. er,....so you think the Demcratic Party should not let caucuses count?

Horse. Shit. !

[my3boyz]

11. But yet they are the same ones bitching about Michigan and Florida. nt

[cali]

7. hate to break this to you, but guess what, genius?

There are lots of SDs from caucus states, and if you think they take your view that caucus states don't count, you're living in hillaryworld, not reality.

[my3boyz]

10. I swear you have to be absolutely one of the most delusional

people on this board. Now you are making up new rules that say that the caucuses don't count towards the nomination. Then you introduced the electoral college map into the primary. Damn....PLEASE MEET MY IGNORE BUTTON! It scares me that there are delusional people like that out there.

[chascarrillo]

13. If you don't count my vote because I live in a caucus state, FUCK YOU.

And if you think I should play nice with language when you don't want my vote to count, fuck you twice.

[rox63]

15. You can't just exclude caucuses

They are part of our election system, and have been for a very long time. Counting her delegates without them will not win her the nomination. Learn the rules before you post silly things like that. :eyes:

And the SD are not obligated to vote for anyone until the convention. Several of them have recently left the Clinton camp and switched to the Obama camp. That trend does not bode well for Clinton. How many have switched from Obama to Clinton?

</crickets>

[StevieM]

17. Oh good grief....I didn't say that the caucuses didn't count. If it's one big delegate fight

then fine...those delegates count equally. One delegate is one delegate.

But Obama has said (essentially) that there is no delegate fight. He is entitled to the nomination based on who wins the PD count. The problem is that if this was true then he would just win automatically--but the rules contradict his claim. And each candidate has the right to present their arguments to the SDs as to why they are the best candidate and the choice of the people. That includes raising the issue of whether Obama really had the support of 79% of the Democrats in Idaho.

Steve

[ORDem]

14. Heh, heh, heh. I really want to see the HRC spin on "Yes. Yes. Yes."

"... you see I really didn't mean yes, as in yes-yes, cuz there were three yesses there, and, you know, ..."

BWAHAHAHAHA!