Big win for Clinton last night. Obama might collapse....

[Greenwood]

Obama has really taken huge hits over his "bitter" comments and ABC did not toss him softballs last night. Honest questions.

If Clinton wins PA, which I think she will, look for a lot of folks to switch over to her.

[LuckyTheDog]

1. ^^nonsense

The debate last night changed nothing -- for either candidate

[qanda]

2. No one, with any integrity, will switch over to her after last night

[roguevalley]

88. he's actually gotten a bump from her bullshit.

[quiller4]

106. You are right. He bumped up in the daily tracking poll

and picked up 4 more super delegates while she lost one.

[Voltaire]

3. And when the dream was over. . .

You awoke and she was still trailing.

[Mezzo]

4. I really think OBama needs to win PA now more than ever...

or it might be done.

[virtualobserver]

16. keep movin' those goalposts

[Mezzo]

70. No goalpost moving at all. This is goin' to the convention, baby.

You guys are the ones who can't stand the heat.

[FVZA_Colonel]

112. Self Delete

Never Mind.

[bowens43]

31. Nonsense.

[Boz]

50. The holodeck has the safties off you probably should go back to engineering and WAKEUP

because either way you are in dreamland.

[Mezzo]

74. we watched the same debate, right? While he did look tired, it says something that

he has outspent her by three to one, with bundles and bundles of cash, he still can't eek out PA. If he can't carry a big swing state in a primary, than it is clear that these red state caucuses were nothing more than fluff.

[Boz]

90. The problem comes in when you fail to admit they are competing for the same people.

In the election, when she is gone, the competition is no longer subdividing the same electors and Obama will out perform what her chances were.

Much more can be said about why she isn't winning, if she is so much better.

The only thing that carried her this far is name recognition.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Yes, Obama's Pretty Much Out Of The Running Now

It's simply amazing how clumsily he speaks, and how The Clintons have kicked his ass.

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[Triana]

6. STUPID questions.

AMERICA LOST.

[Zachstar]

8. AMEN!!

[Uben]

7. She won the nomination last night!

And the Obama supporters don't seem to have an opinion.

[sshan2525]

28. ?????

Can I get some of what you're drinking or smoking?

[bowens43]

35. Huh?

Don't be ridiculous.

[Hepburn]

54. What the hell kind of pill did you drop this morning? n/t

[SoxFan]

61. Hitting the Crown Royal again

[demwing]

108. But you remember what the bag holds when the booze is gone...

Broken Dreaams...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

91. A bitter pill.

;)

[Adelante]

9. You've got HOPE

That can't be bad, except when it's delusional.

[rodeodance]

19. and it is a good thing. Obama fans do not own hope.

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[IsItJustMe]

23. LOL. Isn't that the truth. After every one of these events, they come in like cock roaches. Got

any insecticides?

[fedupinBushcountry]

11. Who said she won?

The MSM, pfffftttt!!!! I think they need to look at the polling of the debate Obama won every one.

[Botany]

12. Does it get dark in your world @ night?

<Obama has really taken huge hits over his "bitter" comments ... >

Obama just picked up 2 more super delegates, the polls now show
PA in a dead heat, nationally his lead over Hillary has grown 2 points,
and now almost 60% of dem voters say they don't trust Hillary.

[WillyT]

21. Apparently Not...

:evilgrin:

[rox63]

13. Obama is still in the lead, and has picked up 5 new super delagates in the last 2 days

He is still the presumptive nominee. Atl least in the reality-based world. :crazy:

[tekisui]

14. She will probably win by less than 10 points, maybe 6%.

That's insignificant. She cannot catch Obama, and even strong Hillary supporters have said they will go with the leader in PD's on June 3rd.

Obama has the National lead, that is what matters now. The SD's will go to the leader in the national polls, the PD's, the states won, the popular vote, and the one with the best numbers against McCain.

In other words-Nominee Barack Obama by June 3rd.

Bookmark it.

[MagickMuffin]

53. Yeah, like she won REALLY BIG in Texas with 3.5% of the popular vote

But Obama WON the MOST DELEGATES. And I'm one of them, will be going to state in June. We turned my pro Hillary precinct to PRO Obama.

I think your spot on about the percentages. Of course I would :loveya: it if Barack ended up winning it, especially after last night.

[cali]

15. wish I had a nickel for every time a hillfan has said this

over the past 3 months. she's cooked. to a turn.

[rodeodance]

17. Hillary had command of the issues last night. Obama looked shaken.

[IsItJustMe]

27. Only in your world, and others who are prone to delusionalism. They have meds, you know.

[SeaLyons]

75. There is help for

Meltdown too. You should seek it.

[JimGinPA]

34. Hillary Was Acting Like A Little Terrier Growling & Biting The Cuff Of Obama's Trousers...

As he just moves on to the nomination. He once again passed on the opportunity to stomp on her when he was asked to. He'll make a great president.

[bowens43]

37. Issues were not discussed last night.

[NDambi]

48. Hey Rodento, where';s thy rock?

[LaurenG]

18. I disagree

I do believe that there was some bias at the debate last night and since I didn't see it had to go to websites other than democratic ones to read about it.

It appears that 80% of those who watched it thought that the moderators used the debate to attack Senator Obama and were quite surprised really.

Thankfully Americans are more aware than ever and saw through the idiocy and wasted time.


What a shame that the best way we get to hear about the issues was wasted on hackneyed and inconsequential rhetoric.

[Vinca]

20. You shouldn't drink in the morning, Greenwood.

:rofl:

[blue sky at night]

22. excuse me........

while I remove my brain so I can fully understand the depth and scope of your observations.

[HereSince1628]

24. LOL.

Of course, we can speculate about how Obama might do anything.

All wins bring out those who jump on band wagons.

Obama may have taken huge hits, the question is whether the roundhouse swings of Clinton are doing any damage or simply shrugged them off...available evidence says little damage is in evidence.

Sometime today we'll see what the overnights yield about last nights performances at the Philly Q&A. Several more of the pollers are putting up daily tracking now that the primary is within a week.

[Tesha]

25. You know, I used to wonder who Bush's "28 percenters"; then I met Hillary supporters.

Now I understand how some people can be totally committed
to a politician no matter the reality that is swirling around
them in every direction with hurricane-force winds.

Tesha

[EnviroBat]

62. Kind scary ins't it Tesha?

I feel the same way. It's a spiteful, stubbornness, that they cling to like Velcro.

[Tesha]

66. It's also more than a little sad. (NT)

[EnviroBat]

67. "Tragic" comes to mind...

[MaineDem]

26. I think there will be switching, however...

it will be from Clinton to Obama.

Expect more Superdelegates to declare for Obama in the next few days.

[bowens43]

29. ROFLMAO!! What 'debate' did you watch?

Clinton probably will win in Pa but it won't help her much. Sher needs HUGE wins in ALL of the remaining contests to even have a slight chance and she isn't going to get them.

[BornBlue]

69. Not to mention,

North Carolina will completely wipe out anything she gets in PA. But those Clinton supporters really think the tides are changing, good for them, clinging to her because they are bitter over their obvious defeat.

[texas_indy]

30. You wish. LOL Obama did amazing last night. I'm still amazed they let

the former Clinton supporter even be there to ask questions. George has always supported the Clintons ever since he left Bill's administration.

Obama shinned last night and will be the party nominee!

[earthside]

32. Beep! Beep! Beep!

Alarm clock going off ... time to wake up.

Dream is over.

With nearly 60 percent saying old Hill has problems with honesty, it looks like her campaign is the one about to collapse.

And that is not a nightmare dream -- it is reality.

[Saturday]

33. She made a winning case to the super delegates last night. nt

[bowens43]

38. Really? When? It must have been during a commercial.

[MaineDem]

39. Oh I really don't think so.

The undecideds I've spoken with aren't at all happy with the way she's been running her campaign. I don't think that one evening's worth of "redemption" is going to change many minds.

[myrna minx]

36. Yes, yes, Obama's campaign is collapsing!

[IsItJustMe]

40. Hannity, what the hell are doing here? LOL

[aquarius dawning]

41. She has the potential to gain a lot of momentum in the next few months

There are a number of contests coming up that offer little to no advantage to Obama. In several of them, she enjoys the advantage. There are a few contests that Obama will win and win big probabaly (NC and HI most notably and NE probably) but it looks very possible that she has a better chance to pick up the momentum leading into the convention than Obama. It also looks like she can whittle his deleagte lead down from a strong argument to a weak talking point and, if nothing else, it will attenuate the arguments for her to drop out before the convention. All in all, she's looking strong and showing remarkable endurance while Obama is looking like the body blows are wearing him down despite his money advantage.

[MaineDem]

43. I disagree with you

And Hawaii is already decided, by the way.

Clinton has to win any state by a GREAT margin in order to pick up enough delegates to matter. Even in PA, I'm not sure she'll win by a large enough margin to gain more than a 6 or 7 delegate net. Then Obama is set to win NC and maybe even Indiana. I don't see the enormous leads in these states for Clinton to gain significant advantages.

And, also, look to the money. If she doesn't increase her campaign warchest in the very near future her donors will dry up completely and that will hurt her more than losing delegates.

[aquarius dawning]

47. Of course you do.

And Hawaii is already decided, by the way.

I guess it's the Republican convention in May in HI. I was confused. That's good though. I'm pleased. That improves her chances even more.

Clinton has to win any state by a GREAT margin in order to pick up enough delegates to matter.
She can win big in IN and KY and, potentially, PA. The rules say that you need 2024 to win outright. They don't say you win outright because you had 20 more delegates than your opponant. As I said, she ca whittle his argument down to a weak talking point which, when placed beside some of her arguments, begins to look legitimately pathetic.

And, also, look to the money.
We'll see what happens.

[forintegrity]

42. People aren't THAT stupid!!!

It was nothing short of a set-up and a waste of everybody's time!

[hayu_lol]

46. ABC this morning says that the two candidates are running tied...

in PA.

I didn't watch the so-called debate, but perhaps it might have been better if ABC had hired Geraldo to do the MC'ing. He couldn't have done any worse.

As to this being over by June 3rd, Texas doesn't elect it's final delegates until June 7th. At this time, we do not know who won Texas.

Another point to ponder is that there are no caucuses in the GE.

[TexasLady]

44. He takes a lickin and keeps on tickin

Id wager that many more Americans saw that sham of a debate for what it was.
Yes Yes YES! lol

[question everything]

45. Agree. From all the bitter comments about ABC I concluded that the Obama supporters

were disappointed.

[kentuck]

49. Wake up....wake up..

Hillary cannot win. It is over. She has alienated too many Democrats that she needs. Sorry to report this sad fact.

[dionysus]

51. Lee, lee, lee...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[smiley_glad_hands]

52. Clinton cannot win. Get over it. eom

[LibGranny]

55. Collapse

Any collapsing should be done by ABC and their STUPID questions! The softballs all went to Hillarious - why didn't they ask her about her "Screw 'em" comment made in 1995? If you actually read anything, I'm sure O raked in the donations last night after this so-called debate! I know I donated and will continue.

[LowerManhattanite]

56. Still “Proud2B” I see. LOL! n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

103. Proud2B a poorly disguised sockpuppet.

Same random hit and run flamebait OPs, slightly different name.

[Bensthename]

57. You are living in a dream. Also, Obama was down by 26 points last month.

And he is about to pass her in the PA polls..

So, keep dreaming bub..

[EnviroBat]

58. Oh fer Chrissakes!

The fucking bullshit generators are running full throttle today.

"Don't worry scro! Now there a plenty of tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was tarded - she's a pilot now..."

[igor2008]

59. There is no reasonable excuse for being in the church with Wright for 20 years

Barrack has had a total pass by all media since his race speech.

Not once has anyone asked him why he remained in the church for 20 years, because there is simply no reasonable response that he can give. Once the question is asked, whatever the response, his whole image as a Uniter and Change agent folds, and subsequently his campaign too.

Barrack either loses now, or in the GE.

[EnviroBat]

65. Still clinging to non issues?

That's all you Hillbots have anymore. Really pathetic, and really weak.

:hi: BYE!

[SeaLyons]

78. It's obviously not a non-issue....

seems to be a pretty big issue, and one Obama doesn't handle very well.

:shrug:

[ieoeja]

83. Sure it's a big issue. With bigots. n/t

[SeaLyons]

84. Let's not throw stones when

we're talking about a glass house.

[FVZA_Colonel]

111. How did he handle it "poorly?"

eom.

[haymakeragain]

77. Wrong. but nice try. How many Wright sermons have you heard?

Let me guess.......uh......none. Right?

[BornBlue]

80. You all act like the first service Obama went to was full of hate

but remember the service that has caused all this controversy, happened the Sunday after 9-11. That was still a while ago, but NOT 20 YEARS AGO. Stop the spinning. What about the church Hillary goes to? They believe they are put in political power because that is God's will, and their purpose is to rule the people injecting their religion into our society. Sounds a bit like BushFaith to me.

[FVZA_Colonel]

110. How long do you think she'll stand against John McCaine?

I just afraid it won't be that far.

[Phillycat]

60. I thought she did very well last night.

So of course Obama Underground is a little pissed off this morning. :)

[TragedyandHope]

63. You're buying into the contrived media drama

Obama and his campaign have simply connected with more voters across the country and he has an unquestionable, firm lead. Period.

The media has seen their ratings go through the roof when they portray this as an epic, neck-and-neck horse race. They have completely separated from reality and are milking the situation for all they can. Of course, they also have plenty of their own personal and corporate political motivations for this distorted portrayal of the race.

At this point, Hillary has a slim to none chance of getting the nomination and her chances are decreasing with each contest, despite all the talk about the so-called "momentum" swings of the respective campaigns. Frankly, the party leadership and the Super-Delegates are politicians and they see which way the wind is blowing. This only solidifies Obama's position.

Yes, Hillary has made a strong, second-place effort, but the people have have spoken and they have made a clear and overwhelming choice for Obama.

[NJmaverick]

64. and the easter bunny, the tooth fairy will be coming to PA, in Santa's sleigh

to campaign for Hillary.

[Raffi Ella]

68. wooHOO!

I hope so! :toast:

[SeaLyons]

71. Go Hillary....

She did an outstanding job last night. PA is going to be a big win for her.

Hillary for President.

:applause:

[SeaLyons]

72. K&R for Hillary

:kick:

[L0oniX]

73. Keep dreaming ....especially if it's that dream about falling.

[yardwork]

76. Honest questions about wearing a tie pin? You have got to be kidding.

[book_worm]

79. Hillary was always supposed to win PA so no surprise, but he's not going to collapse.

[Imagevision]

81. Obama might collapse? yeah right, like he did over the stupid "bitter" onslaught

[TheWraith]

82. Keep wishing.

Obama took fire from four different directions last night, including some incredibly classless comments by Hillary, and still came out of it with no serious damage.

She's lost. You need to accept that. There isn't going to be a magical turnaround and ray of light from the heavens.

[cliffordu]

85. In the parallel universe maybe. You know, where Dorothy and

the Wizard live, and Toto, too.

And of course, the monkeys flying out of your butt.....

[whistler162]

86. In a fit of laughter.....

No.

[kid a]

87. delusional.

[sudopod]

89. Fuck the war and healthcare

That shit's for hippies anyway.

What matters is how often our candidate will wear their flag pin and praise the American economy.

[InfiniteNether]

92. Lol, tool.

[PM7nj]

93. "IF" she wins? Way to lower expectations...

No shit she is going to win, PA is tailor-made for her. The big question is how much she will win by.

[spanone]

94. bwahahahahahaaaa

[smiley_glad_hands]

95. I see Hannity has issued his talking points, too bad he couldn't ask his questions in person. eom

[tishaLA]

96. Yes. I think it's time. I doubt he can face reelection in

the Senate at this point. He'd probably lose in the primary.

[CreekDog]

97. you've predicted this before Chicken Little

:eyes:

[Arugula Latte]

98. Riiiiiight

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

99. Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter Bitter

[Unsane]

100. Lee Greenwood?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

104. He's Proud2B him. nt

[zulchzulu]

101. New Clinton theme song: Dream, Dream Dream...

:rofl:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

102. "...aaand I'm PROUD 2 B an AMURKIIIN!!..."

Just feeling a little 'patriotic' or something, ya know?

[Unsane]

105. lol yes, it is Lee.

[Vinca]

107. Short of Hillary leaping from her duck blind and attacking Obama,

he's going to be the nominee. He got 4 superdelegates post-debate and Zogby is tied in Pennsylvania. Some people here need a dose of reality.

[FVZA_Colonel]

109. Really? Collapse?

Because from a number of polls I've seen the "bitter" comment hasn't really hurt him at all.

[NYDem Observer]

113. I'd love to know what she won

Last I checked Obama has picked up more superdelegates SINCE last nights debate.