"Is Rev Wright as much of a patriot as you"?

[julialnyc]

Ridicules

[meow mix]

1. served in the marines..

i wonder if the questioner served as a marine

[mac2]

5. And so did my uncle...

[zanne]

20. Did your uncle help care for Lyndon Johnson after his surgery?

Rev. Wright gave up his student deferment to join the Marines. After two years of service, he volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. While in the Navy, he became a cardiopulmonary technician and helped to take care of President Lyndon Jonson.

I think we can safely call Reverend Wright a "patriot".

[mac2]

28. No he and another Marine captured a whole island of

Japanese in the Pacific. He didn't want a medal since he thought those soldiers were there for the same reason he was. He was a hero. He had three purple hearts. He was shot on the same day as his first son was born.

That's not the issue since there were many heroes in wars.

[zanne]

29. Commendable. However, Reverend Wright was honored by the White House...

With five letters of commendation. This is about who's patriotic. No doubt your uncle was a patriot. Do you think that Rev. Wright isn't a patriot? What would it take--throwing himself on a grenade?

[MNDemNY]

30. Maybe...NOT damning America???

[zanne]

32. Which one of us has not damned America in the last eight years?

I think it's a bit hypocritical to start acting red, white and blue now that it's convenient.

[MNDemNY]

35. I am not the "spiritual advisor of twenty years"(Obama's words)

of a presidential candidate. Wright is an albatross that will remain around Obama's neck. His own doing, by the way.

[zanne]

37. Yeah, right. OK, MN Dem.

You're obviously not going to leave this alone, so I'll say what I tell my 12 year-old nephew when we're playing Scrabble; "OK, you win".

[MNDemNY]

38. You didn't have to say it, i already knew that.

[julialnyc]

47. Fake outrage is the new black

[zanne]

89. It's fake outrage, all right. It's just used as a battering ram by Clinton supporters. nt

[mac2]

64. When you think about God and damned...

Why would he blame a country and not the thugs, liars, and murderers, who did it...the few who deserve it? I have damned these Americans who do things in our name.

Bombing a whole country to get Bin Laden was a horrible thing. Or to destroy Iraq to get Suddam by our leaders who lied and manipulated it all. God would not approve.

That's how any clergy should phase his "damning".

[dchill]

49. He has earned the right to say "damn America."

I'm sure some deity somewhere would agree with him. If you ever get the time - go and watch Reverend Wright's sermons in their entirety. You could learn a lot about Reverend Wright.

[mac2]

59. He has a right to say anything he wants but not as a

representative of Obama's group in the campaign.

[dchill]

110. He's NOT a representative...

"...of Obama's group in the campaign." You know that, right? BTW, thanks for the extremely interesting Gore Vidal/Tim McVeigh link.

[MNDemNY]

80. He can sy what he wants.

But do not pretend that his words will hurt Obama. THAT is the point.

[mac2]

56. My uncle could have been a Medal of Honor person by the

White House too but he refused it. And so...what? He was an average American he did what he was asked.

[Arrowhead2k1]

116. So you out of all people should have nothing but respect for the service people do for this nation.

You're not trying to belittle anybody else's service are you? I hope not, but that's kind of what it looks like from here.

[mac2]

82. I helped care for a lot of Americans but I'm no hero.

Johnson was a citizen representative not a god.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

120. Why does your uncle hate America?

[MNDemNY]

6. So did Timothy McVie.

What's your point?

[meow mix]

12. a murdering freeper-psycho? welcome to ignore..

what a bs statement.

[MNDemNY]

15. You are the one who implied that being a marine

automatically makes you a patriot. Just pointing out your follie. Keep your head in the sand. Try saying "la-la-la-la" with your fingers in your ears, that works, too.

[meow mix]

17. when did i say that would apply to a murdering psychotic freeper?

really stupid for you to say this.

[MNDemNY]

21. You made a blanket statment.

Sorry cat, you stepped in it. You showed just how lame Obama's answer was.

[meow mix]

24. i was talking about one individual. the subject of the OP

his service indicates he is a patriot. period. and f-u btw.

[MNDemNY]

26. Sorry that is just silly, if being a marine makes Wright a patriot, why is it different for Tim?

Being an ex-marine, in itself, makes you only one thing.....an ex-marine.

[DemVet]

118. - crickets chirping -

[DemVet]

117. And just think....it's true. How about dat?

[mac2]

14. Vidal writes the truth about Tim McVeigh

http://www.isebrand.com/Gore_Vidal_McVeigh_2001.htm

[Hepburn]

44. I have been way too tolerant of your RW remarks for far too long.

Welcome to my IGNORE list. That was way over the top even for an RW like you.

[mac2]

60. He's making a good point.

[Hepburn]

85. Perhaps at the top of his head? Most certainly in none of his posts.

[MNDemNY]

86. dribble................

[MNDemNY]

70. La-la-la-la fingers in ears.

[TheDoorbellRang]

63. Wow that's another poster's oft repeated talking point

This is the third time I've seen Timothy McVey as the quip answer to Rev. Wright's service in the Marines.


Unbelievable. Must be some swift boat veterans site you're getting your marching orders from.

[mac2]

66. What? Isn't that a valid talking point? To say one is a Marine

gives one a pass at any questioning?

[MNDemNY]

72. Ony in the Obamanation.

[mac2]

88. Seems everything that happens in this campaign or on this

sight is meant to hurt Obama. Me thinks you do protest too much!!

[SwampG8r]

75. then why not use lee harvy oswald?

[MNDemNY]

76. Why not, same point.

[MNDemNY]

71. If you dopes think Marine=Patriot, then this is a good point.

[dchill]

109. Timothy McVie... Wasn't he in Fleetwood Mac?

:crazy:

[DemVet]

As a veteran...

...I don't think being a former marine or vet of any other service has jack squat to do with one's patriotism, one way or the other.

Are we really saying vets are super-patriots, at an exalted level higher than those that never served in the Armed Forces?

I hope not. If that's the case, neither Senators Obama or Clinton cuts the mustard.

[meow mix]

13. when a freeper republican is questioning his loyalty.. yes it matters

it indicates the freep is full of shit, figures you would take the freeps side. leave du.

[MNDemNY]

16. I think you need to cough up that fur-ball.

[mac2]

19. Did anyone question his loyality?

It's a diversion from the fact this clergy was in the campaign and Obama's Faith Based agenda is not Constitutional.

[DemVet]

27. Need a tissue?

You have no argument. That's typical among people like you, however, so cheer up!

[MNDemNY]

31. Wipe your chin.

[BlooInBloo]

25. I don't know about this case, but that sentiment is quite common with vets.

EDIT: Completely tangential to the main issue, of course.

[mac2]

61. So right.

Few in this Congress have served in the military forces let alone the Clintons or Obama. McCain has. Does that make him a hero we should call a patriot above everyone else?

[DemVet]

119. NO.

But I do have an extreme appreciation for his service, particulary of him not accepting favorites from the North Vietnamese when they found out his dad was an Admiral and wanted to release him early and he refused. That takes some balls.

[rox63]

2. WTF sort of question was that?

ABC makes me want to :puke:

[MNDemNY]

8. One Obama couldn't answer?

[crispini]

9. It's a stupid question

[MNDemNY]

11. AND his answer was lame, at best.

Your right, there should have been more REZCO questions, and why won't Obama release his tax returns from the years he served in the IL senate?

[crispini]

18. If you like the Geraldo style journalism,

feel free to wallow in the dirt all you want. That was a piss-poor excuse for a debate, and I think I'm going to go and try to get people to pay attention to the fact that your so-called "Goddess of Peace" just told everyone last night that if Israel was attacked by Iran, she would consider that a call for automatic retaliation. :wtf:

Pardon me if I don't respond, because I'm not getting drawn into any more of this shit-stirring. :hi:

[MNDemNY]

23. By all means, hide from anything that may harm your candidate.

Ignorance is bliss....the motto of Obamanation.

[SwampG8r]

79. this rezko?

[MNDemNY]

83. That's the one.

I have a picture of myself in almost the same pose with the Clintons. So?

[ieoeja]

102. Did you catch the witness at Rezko's trial two days ago?

The prosecutions top two witnesses are Republican fund-raisers currently serving sentences they got decreased for fingering Rezko.

The first was Levine, a friend of Karl Rove and a Bush fund-raiser.

The other was Cari who, though normally a Republican fund-raiser, worked as a Clinton fund-raiser.

So not only was Rezko a Clinton fund-raiser, but one of the people who inducted Rezko into the politics in the first place was a Clinton fund-raiser as well.

Had Obama not derailed Clinton's election, all of us here at DU would have been busy all this election year defending *her* Rezko associations.

[MNDemNY]

111. wow... REZCO really kept some shitty company.

What a bunch of scum.....What was your point?

[rox63]

42. It's a question he shouldn't have to answer

Unless you want us all to start talking about Rev. Coe, HRC's RW spiritual mentor. Honestly, can you speak for what's in another person's heart? Should you have too?

[MNDemNY]

74. Sure let's have at it.

[rox63]

106. Congratulations on your stunning psychic powers - Sounds like you can see into other people's minds

:eyes:

[hokies4ever]

3. Flag pin question origin

Here's a website including info about the lady that asked the flag lapel pin question in the ABC debate, Nash McCabe. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/politics/04penn.html?fta=y
Turns out she was an Obama-hater all along. She claims that she just focuses on the fact that Obama doesn't wear a flag pin whenever she sees him. Keep in mind that this lady is recently unemployed. Commonsense would tell you she should worry about her job and not a flag pin. What an idiot.
Pass this info along.

[mac2]

4. What kind of question is that is right.

Why does anyone have to prove this to someone? It's a set up question. I'm not impressed with a person who wears a flag pin and...

[mac2]

10. Should we make Rev. Wright "right" about everything?

He's not my repesentative nor my clergy. I don't give a bit about who he is or what he's done. He does not belong in the campaign discussion. It is just a plan to bring religion into the campaign. It is not good for America to be divided by these clergy.

[babylonsister]

7. There's an interesting 'piece' from the NYT.

Excuses to not vote for Obama, from pins to patriotism. Ugh.

[mac2]

22. What about the fact that clergy in this country are very rich

indeed on tax exempt status and Faith Based Charity? No retiring man of god should live elite. The discussion is being diverted to flag pins and patriotism?

[Jackpine Radical]

40. I gather that she's bitter.

She just hasn't found the right target for her bitterness.

[Kittycat]

41. I noticed HRC rarely if ever wears a flag pin.

[mac2]

57. So what?

[Kittycat]

104. So what indeed. Why is it an issue for Obama, and not her?

Don't support bullshit. It's no better than those better than thou 'patriots' sporting their made in china yellow ribbon on their Hummer Tactical Series H3.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. Jeremiah Wright is a dynamic speaker, a brilliant theologian,

a distinguished man of the cloth. Personally I don't even count myself a Christian--whih is one of the reasons I guess I respect him so much. He is capable of reaching beyond the bounds of his church to all people of good will. You are judging 30 years of work by a couple of sound bites. You're nuts. I met and spent a wonderful evening talking to a Presbyterian minister whose politics would put her just about dead center in the DU crowd, who told me that when she was in divinity school in Chicago, the faculty took her whole class to Rev. Wright's church to see an exemplary model of "how to do it."

Rev. Wright said nothing you wouldn't hear in the black community every day. The only thing I heard him say that is likely to be factually untrue is the notion that AIDS was deliberately created to reduce the black population. And before you get too bent out of shape about that, remember the Tuskegee study:

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male<1> also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, Pelkola Syphilis Study, Public Health Service Syphilis Study or the Tuskegee Experiments was a clinical study, conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama, in which 399 (plus 201 control group without syphilis) poor — and mostly illiterate — African American sharecroppers were used as subjects to observe the natural progression of syphilis without medicine.

This study became very notorious because it was conducted without due care to its subjects, and led to major changes in how patients are protected in clinical studies. Individuals enrolled in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study did not give informed consent and were not informed of their diagnosis; instead they were told they had "bad blood" and could receive free medical treatment, rides to the clinic, meals and burial insurance in case of death in return for participating.<2>

In 1932, when the study started, standard treatments for syphilis were toxic, dangerous, and of questionable effectiveness. Part of the original goal of the study was to determine if patients were better off not being treated with these toxic remedies.

By 1947, penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Prior to this discovery, syphilis frequently led to a chronic, painful and fatal multisystem disease. Rather than treat all syphilitic subjects with penicillin and close the study, or split off a control group for testing penicillin; the Tuskegee scientists withheld penicillin and information about penicillin, purely to continue to study how the disease spreads and kills. Participants were also prevented from accessing syphilis treatment programs that were available to other people in the area. The study continued until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination.

(Wikipedia)

If our government did THAT, how unreasonable is it to imagine that they are capable of any other form of gross inhumanity?

[MNDemNY]

36. And, arguably, a racist.

[Jackpine Radical]

39. The moon is arguably made of green cheese.

Arguing it doesn't make it so.

[MNDemNY]

92. But it doesn't go away, does it?

[shagsak]

51. you listened to the 20 second clip on MSNBC didnt you

Yeah, if that's the only thing I had heard from Wright I would totally agree with you.

[MNDemNY]

93. And that's the only thing most GE voters will have heard.

THAT is my point.

[shagsak]

121. You might be right

This might not be the year for it, but one day in our society, the majority of people will have to start thinking for themselves. I know it's a stretch but if our nation is to survive, it's required.

[mac2]

58. So what? Wright does not belong in our political discussion

Is he running for public office? Or as head of the Faith Based Charity agency?

[Jackpine Radical]

62. I agree that he doesn't belong in the discussion.

However, people keep dragging him into the discussion, and as long as they do, I feel some need to stand up for him. Not just because people are using him to tar Obama--which is totally unjustifiable--but because Rev. Wright is agreat and wonderful man, more than worthy of defense in his own right.

[mac2]

78. I'm not agreeing with his damning of "America" or his huge retirement home.

That is for another discussion called separation of church and state. Obama seems to be for religion paid for by government which is unconstitutional.

Rev.Wright's service, his patriotism, etc. is like many other Americans. He's not my clergy nor do I want him to be. He brought himself into the discussion by being part of a campaign to bring in the RWer's votes. The message is...Obama is a religious man. Who cares? We need a political leader with answers not a clergyman in America right now. Rev. Wright may be self interested but he is not running for public office.

[izzybeans]

34. Was the dweeb wearing a purple bandaid on his cheek?

[psychopomp]

43. A hit job on Sen. Obama

WTF kind of question is that?:freak:

[Bensthename]

45. The media just can't stand it that Obama is winning this thing..

Very sad..

[underpants]

48. No they can't

Hillary is their candidate and they are going to pile on now. They think they have it on Obama.

We'll see but anything the press says now is almost directly refuted by the general public.

What we are seeing is the inside-the-castle-walls crowd dancing a preemptive victory dance.

[Bensthename]

52. yup, between the 24/7 reporting of Wright and Bitter,

people are looking at these issues on their own and not letting the media tell them how to think.. I am proud of the people not falling for their persistence against Obama and seeing that Obama is the best candidate in this race..

[Jackpine Radical]

65. Maybe the media have cried "wolf"--or screamed Dean--

one too many times.

My take is that they want to weaken the Democrats in general, in order to ensure a McCain victory in the fall. Therefore they'll attack whichever Democrat seems to be either on the top or rising fast, just to keep the bloodletting going, all the while giving McCain a free ride. He's a "maverick," ya know. A uniter. Practically a Democrat--except he's conservative on the same issues you're conservative on, of course.

[Bensthename]

73. They also make tons of money keeping this going..

This is the biggest news season for them. The longer they keep this going the more people tune in for the latest gaffs, polls, fights, etc..
It keeps their viewership high which is millions more in the bank for them.

[Jackpine Radical]

94. Sure, but to think that they don't have a corporate-driven

political agenda is to miss the point of a lot of what's happening, in my opinion.

[Bensthename]

103. Oh man, I totally agree. I was just throwing that out their too.

CNN news guy even admitted this keeps their ratings up..

But, yes corporations are scared of Obama and don't like the fact that they cant get in his back pocket. Hopefully the people will continue to pay attention to the facts and not the MSM spin..

[mac2]

97. Obama met with the Chicago Tribune news group (own

TV and radio stations in LA and Chicago) about how to "spin" the Rev. Wright discussion. He has the money and power to do it.

Why didn't he meet with them to "spin" impeachment? NOW!

[underpants]

46. "Do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you?"

:rofl:

"but you do believe he is as patriotic as you are?"

:wow:

[uponit7771]

50. 3 time presidential award winning Marine

[EffieBlack]

55. Funny - his service as a Marine is meaningless. But a couple of sentences in 3 20-second clips

means everything.

Hmmmmm.

[MNDemNY]

95. That is the state of elections today. Deal with it, or lose.

[mac2]

98. Yes...or move on no matter how corrupt, etc.

[EffieBlack]

108. It's only the state of elections for idiots who buy into it . . .

including those who put up with such crap and say, "deal with it or lose."

However, I believe that those who know better and can do better outnumber the idiots and since we are among those who determine "the state of elections," we're in much better shape than you seem to think.

[MNDemNY]

115. Sky-pie.

[spanone]

53. more so, he says out loud what i type in du

[Jackpine Radical]

67. Yes, absolutely.

I know I'm never gonna have a career in politics because I could be instantly destroyed by anyone who searches my name in the DU archives, to name just one place where I've left a lot of juicy quotes.

[IsItJustMe]

54. Is the Reverent running for something? I guess you care, and other Republicans.

[bunkerbuster1]

68. "And as a follow up, if elected, will you dress up as Sinbad the fucking Sailor...

And wave a big-ass scimitar around and say "Allah Akk-fuckin'-bar, muthuhfuckkaz" at the inaugural?

[WinkyDink]

69. I would have asked for the definition of "patriot". After all, we call the 1775 REBELS vs. the Crown

"patriots".

[mac2]

91. Did they wear flag pins?

[Bensthename]

77. I've made my mind up about Wright.. I can't vote for him now.. I'm voting Obama.

[mac2]

84. Very funny.

[Obamanaut]

81. How many threads have I read with the general topic of "Right

now I'm so ashamed of being an American?" These usually abound after events such as Abu Ghraib, or a errant bomb in 'war' zone kills civilians, or pictures of Darfur are published, or stories involving rendition are written.

Seems to me that this is close to what Rev Wright said - not the exact words of course, but the general sense of it.

Michelle Obama hinted at this as well.

Why do we denounce these people for saying what some of us are thinking on nearly a daily basis?

[mac2]

87. Blame the people responsible not the country.

We didn't approve it nor did we vote on it. We were in the streets. They stole the elections and ignored our mandates.

Why isn't Obama, Rev. Wright, and Mrs. Obama demanding impeachment of these murderers, liars, and crooks in our govenment? There is no need to "hint". As a Senator it is Obama's duty.

[Obamanaut]

96. I think there are 99 other Senators, and a whole passel of congressmen.

Where are their voices?

[mac2]

99. Nope they voted against our wishes.

They don't care since big money will spin and pay them off.

[Bluebear]

90. Ridicules! Ridicules!

:silly:

[Blue-Jay]

113. Rediculous!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

100. "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions and the passion of fools" - Schopenhauer

And, this ex-marine agrees with him.

[L0oniX]

101. "God damn" ABC

[mac2]

122. Very funny.

[Lucky 13]

105. There is no right answer. What the fuck kind of bullshit question is that?!?!

If he says YES that means Barack is as patriotic as the guy who says, "God damn America"

If he says NO that means Barack is saying a Marine who served his country and was at Pres. Johnson's bedside is not a patriot.

How in the FUCK can you judge the level of someone's patriotism? Is Barack a 9 out of 10? Rev. Wright a 6 out of 10? Do you lose points for dissention? Do you gain points for wearing a piece of jewelry? What the fuck kind of bullshit question is that?!?

[chieftain]

107. There has never been a more inane question in a presidential

debate. What a disgrace these ABC tools are

[Rosa Luxemburg]

112. who?

[Unsane]

114. It's literally right out of Saturday Night Live.