Just out of curiousity, when did Obama tell a whopper comparable

[hedgehog]

to landing in Bosnia in the face of sniper fire?

[Kittycat]

1. Never. But watch out for the incoming Sniper Fire from the HRC supporters

:popcorn:

[maddiejoan]

2. Let's see

How about Conception at Selma --and Kennedy Airlift?

Constitutional Law Professor?

Will not run in 2008?

I can go on if ya like.

[dchill]

3. Please do...

'cause you haven't gotten anywhere yet. What else ya got?

[Dawgs]

4. You can go on with what? Those things are either true, or he never said them.

Are you against posting actual quotes?

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. It's an epidemic with these clowns

They rarely post links. Because there are none to support their lies. And if they do post a link, it is either to a RW site or to Larry Johnson. LOL

[maddiejoan]

12. I need a link?

We all know he said these things, as surely as we know what Hillary said on Bosnia.

I need a link but the Op doesn't?

[Dawgs]

13. We all DON'T know that he said those things, because he never did.

On the other hand, Hillary admitted to lying about Bosnia last night. We do know that.

[maddiejoan]

18. He most certainly did

please try and be at least somewhat honest

[Dawgs]

26. Still no quotes?

Your argument would be a little better if you could at least back up what you stated.

:shrug:

[maddiejoan]

28. I'm not your internet monkey

you have google. So do I.

they are easily searchable.

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. Here's how this works, maddie

You make a claim, you back it up.

YOU do the Google, not the person asking for a link.

It's really not all that hard.

[maddiejoan]

60. You know damned well he said those things

so my looking them up is just your idea of giving me busy work.

sorry. not playing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. Actually no, I don't know he said them

Hence, I ask for a link.

Not that hard. Not that hard at all. Unless of course you prefer being obtuse.

[redqueen]

68. It's kind of net etiquette to provide citations to back up your assertions. (nt)

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. The OP is asking a question

Why the fuck would THAT need a link?

You people are just unreal.

[maddiejoan]

19. "You people"

niiiiiice.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. If you can't take it sweetheart, don't dish it out

:hi:

[maddiejoan]

34. I can take it fine

try to address ME as an individual, and not some collective grouping, hunnybuns.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. No you can't take it; you never answered my question

If you really wanted to have a conversation, you would answer. Sweet Cheeks. :hi:

[maddiejoan]

38. I thought your question

didn't require an answer.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Here is the question once again

"when did Obama tell a whopper comparable
to landing in Bosnia in the face of sniper fire?"

[maddiejoan]

57. Here. Enjoy.

Obama's List of Lies: 24 and growing
Obama claims he stays at UCC as his Pastor has acknowledged his comments were inappropriate;The Pastor never made this statement
Tells supporters his campaign is beholden to "only the people" as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
Claims his campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful about wanting to leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves he lied
Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted
Claimed if elected to US Senate he would not run for President in his first term
Claimed famous in Illinois for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; but took money from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
Obama claims he courageously opposed the war in 2002 during his US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bullshit
Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
Denies the doubling of his wife's salary was due to his becoming US Senator
Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. And no link

Is it a rw site?

Or did you just make this all up?

[shadowknows69]

46. You're a Hillary supporter, I assume there's at least three of you left.

Person-Singular

People-Plural

[maddiejoan]

47. There could be just two

doesn't matter.

I speak for myself, not some collective.

[shadowknows69]

66. Kind of a team sport though politics

[redqueen]

69. Yup - and it is it's fucking sickening!

[Auntie Bush]

83. They love harassing people with get a link for anything you say about their beloved Obama.

However they post make believe crap, lies, innuendo, and aggregations and never post a link...because we're not stupid enough to ask silly things about their disgusting tales about the Clintons.

[babylonsister]

5. He really wasn't privy to his conception, he did teach constitutional

law, and maybe he figured the time was right this year (and FWIW, it's looking like he was right, again). Got any more b.s. to fling? Anything where he risked his life to dodge bullets or the like? :eyes:

[maddiejoan]

11. Y'all like to tell HRC people

about Math.

Surely, he must have know what year he was concieved. What year his father came to America.

And he lectured on Constitutional Law, but he was most certainly not a Professor.

[babylonsister]

16. Read this, pal, and tell me someone who teaches isn't considered

a teacher, or prof in higher education. Maybe that's your problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/clinton-misrepresents-oba_b_94211.html

snip//

As an expert on higher education, I can tell you that anyone who teaches a college class is broadly considered a professor, and is typically called a professor by students. Calling Obama a "law professor" is a description of his job category, not his official title.

It's common for everyone to refer to teachers as professors. In fact, the Clinton campaign itself does this in a press release announcing the endorsement by California State Senator Sheila Kuehl, which declares that Kuehl "was a law professor at Loyola, UCLA and USC Law Schools...."

However, Kuehl was never a professor of law at Loyola, because this bio of her says she was only an instructor (that dirty, dirty word) there.

So, if the Clinton campaign itself refers to an instructor of law as a law professor, how can anyone take seriously their assertion that Obama is engaging in deceit by doing so?

[maddiejoan]

23. I'd have to examine what Kuehl's actual role was

Obama was a lecturer for a couple of semesters.

Calling him a "Professor" is at best a stretch.

He wasn't even an adjunct.

[Dawgs]

17. The university he taught at defined him as a Professor.

But I guess it's up to you and Hillary to decide if he was a professor or not.

[madrchsod]

22. the university of chicago? what do they know?

[fedupinBushcountry]

31. i before e except after c

and the english language,just saying.;-)

[maddiejoan]

48. space after comma

just sayin'

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. All lies

from Hillary supporters.

Next?

[chimpymustgo]

7. Never heard Rev. Wright say anything controversial. Barely knew Rezco. The house purchase.

[Dawgs]

20. When did he say he never heard Wright say anything controversial?

Dates and quotes would help for all of those accusations.

[Adelante]

50. What's your problem with the house purchase?

Specifically.

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. Here's the whopper from Obama I can't get past. Saying he would finish his Senate term. He never

had any intention of doing so. So he lied from the get go. Can't trust anything else out of his mouth after that.

[Hepburn]

77. Did he say that while under sniper fire?

Just curious....:eyes:

[hedgehog]

24. I understood him to be referring to the March at Selma as a

metaphor for the entire Civil Rights movement.





But then, metaphor is probably an elitist word.

[Armstead]

41. Oh please -- Talk about parsing words and phony Clinton tactics

Hillary is just desperatly using her husband's "meaning of is" strategy to find anything she can on Obama.

The university involved basically defended Obama's position in this. But I guess that's not good enough for the Clinton Dirt Squad.

-------------------
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html


The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

[maddiejoan]

45. so where are you on Selma? On Kennedy airlift?

Oh! Where are you on this?

Dem presidential contender Barack Obama's handlers may be telling the press Obama has NO "recollection" of a 2004 party at influence peddler Tony Rezko's Wilmette house, but a top Sneed source claims Obama not only gave Rezko's guest of honor, Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi, a big welcome . . . but he made a few toasts!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/896844,CST-NWS-SNEED16.article

The truth is we could comb through BOTH candidates' many hours of speech-making on this 16 month primary battle and find all sorts of whoppers.

MY point isn't that Obama is a liar --my point is that it is impossible for a human being to speak as much as these two candidates and not get caught in a mis-statement.

Combing for "lies" is a RW tactic --but if you're gonna use it on Hillary --then I'll sure as hell throw it right back at you.

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. She lied about sniper fire

If it makes you feel better, call it a misstatement. But it is a LIE.

[maddiejoan]

58. and Obama has his share of lies as well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Actually you Hillary supporters have posted alleged lies

which have been dubunked. Repeatedly. Yet you keep posting them. Hmmm.

[laylah]

44. re: Constituional Law Professor

The University of Chicago Law School considered him one:

He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

[StevieM]

81. All Obama does day and night is lie. He wakes up lying and he goes to bed lying. (eom)

[Hepburn]

82. IGNORE POSTER is our friend...

...click.

[Dawgs]

8. He hasn't, and that lie only lasted two days in the media.

On the other hand, Pastorgate and Bittergate lasted days if not weeks. Pastorgate was because of something someone else said, and Bittergate was the truth.

[forintegrity]

10. you forgot

NAFTA

[madrchsod]

14. i have read it is every time he opens his mouth

and that his wife is worse!...i read that right here at du so it must be true. did you know obama got 3+ million from an Iraqi criminal? yup read that here the other night!

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. He lied about Wright--changed his story numerous times

He lied about taking money from Lobbyists, changing his story numerous times

He lied about Rezko, how well he knew him, how much money he recieved from him, what Rezko did to Ill.

The difference is, Obama lies about important stuff. Clinton embilished about getting off a plane in Bosnia: she was in a war zone, her experience in the white house rivals anything obama ever did.

The difference between the lies is that Obama's matter.

[Dawgs]

25. You have to provide quotes if you want anyone to believe you.

Anyone that watched the debate last night saw Hillary admit to lying.

I know you can see the difference.

[hedgehog]

27. Actaully, I saw her hem and haw and try to apologize for lying without

ever admitting she lied.



Then she said "But Obama did it, too!"

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. so, really. I want an honest answer here.

You seem to know everything Clinton ever said--enough to call her a liar.

And yet you are completely unaware of the lies Obama told regarding Rezko? Remember the debate when he said he barely knew him.

YOu don't remember Obama coming forward on a Friday recently and admitting that REzko gave him millions more than he had originally told us about?

You don't remember Obama's changing stories? ARe you telling me that you are completely unaware of them, or that you do not care if HE lies?

And if you are unaware, how is that possible? You must only get your information from DU GDP or Cable where they told the story once inbetween 24/6.9 of Bosnia.

So, are you lying now or are you completely unaware of what is going on?

[babylonsister]

30. You're a riot. Let's talk sniper fire, NAFTA,, purported experience,

you know, substantial things. Can you? No, you can fling poo. That's it!

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. NAFTA

you forgot Canada?

NAFTA: those that were in the white house with her conceeded that she was opposed to NAFTA.

So, I am not certain what you are talking about when you talk of NAFTA. I guess it is easy for you to forget facts in an effort to keep hating.

[babylonsister]

42. You must have missed this, in your own gal's words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=119397&mesg_id=119397

[Evergreen Emerald]

55. You are so selective in what you define as Lies

what about Obama and Nafta?

What about what the white house folks said about her stance on NAFTA?

Why the double standard?

[babylonsister]

56. Wow. That's a very weak, lame defense. She said it, she got

busted for it, deal with it. Same with her dodging sniper fire. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, as much as you wish you could.

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. So, what about Obama's lies. Why are you selective in your outrage?

You cheer when the media unfairly attacks Clinton...and cry when they attack Obama.

You peeyourpants in outrage over "lies" of Clinton, but ignore LIES of Obama.

Why so selective? I think it is because you don't care about lies. You don't care about propaganda. You care about winning...and anything goes as long as it favors your candidate.

More of the Bush mentality.

[babylonsister]

61. You are trying to make mountains out of molehills, just like your

candidate. There's a term for that: molehill politics. I have no idea what lies you're talking about concerning Obama and NAFTA. Do you mean someone in his campaign? That hasn't even been definitively proved. Just like Wright; Wright said stuff people aren't happy with, pin it on Obama. It's a classic pattern for Clinton supporters. They/you can't really find anything to muddy the guy with, so they/you resort to molehill politics: not very becoming, but very recognizable.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=352297

[Evergreen Emerald]

85. You crack me up with your double standard

When Clinton misspeaks the world ends and you all peeyourpantsin outrage.

When Obama lies, you pretend it did not happen...

"mole hills" "he is human" "everyone makes mistakes"

backwards and in high heels.

[Hepburn]

80. Love your links....

...:eyes:

[pompano]

33. May not be able to.....

The Bosnian whopper will be a hard act to follow. That whopper is a tough whopper even by Hillary's standards.

[JoFerret]

35. When he said he was ready to be president.

That's when.

[Bensthename]

36. I cant believe they showed that clip of the PA guy who said she lost his vote

due to the Bosnia lie. They were a little rough. The MSM is disgusting.

[indimuse]

39. Race baiting( Tim Russert called him on it..you were sleeping!)

Wright...Rezko....NAFTA(Canada)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wiu_aunWgM&eurl=http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/obamas-new-campaign-strategy-laughing-at-voters/
"It is in this context that we must analyze Obama's problems with the Rev. Wright and his emerging problems with former terrorist Bill Ayers. The American people are not about to judge Obama guilty by association, even with a lowlife type like Ayers and an anti-American like Wright. But they will see, in Obama's tentativeness in handling these controversies and his 'decency' in refusing to cut off his relationships and condemn these men, a sign of weakness that will hurt his campaign.

snip

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. Who/.......I hardly knew Rezko 'Kenny Boy'

[SeaLyons]

49. He lied about the Wright issue, he lied about the Rezko issue,

and it goes on and on. Get serious.

[hedgehog]

65. Last night Hillary slandered both Obama and Mr. Ayers with this lie::

" that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. "



Mr. Ayers reported comments were taken from an interview published the morning of 9/11 before the towers were struck, and referred specifically to his wish that he and his group had been more effective in bringing the Viet Nam War to an end sooner. They had nothing to do with the events of 9/11.

[SeaLyons]

67. Mr Ayers is a terrorist in no uncertain terms...

I see no slander in Hillary's remarks. Obama relationship with Ayer is the problem.

[Justitia]

70. And the Impeached President pardoned his terrorist friends. -eom

[SeaLyons]

72. are you a democrat or what...

Impeached president???

[Justitia]

73. Are you denying history? -eom

[SeaLyons]

74. ...

If you are referring to Bill Clinton, he was not impeached. He was brought up on charges of impeachment. He is a fellow democrat with 70% approval rating, so be careful. This is democratic underground, not a RW board. Commuting one's sentence is of no comparison to engaging in terrorist acts.

[Justitia]

75. You are WRONG, he most certainly WAS Impeached. Get your facts straight.

And you have a LOT of fucking nerve talking about "fellow Democrats" with all the smear by association bullshit you've been posting about a REAL Democrat.

Bill & Hillary Clinton have been the worst thing to happen to My Party in the last three decades.

They are both PROVEN LIARS and we lost the presidency because of it.

Your ignorance of history is astounding and no excuse.

Don't YOU dare tell me to "be careful", the Clinton name is shit these days, haven't you noticed?

[SeaLyons]

76. you get your facts straight

....and be careful while you're doing it.

Clinton's name is golden to millions. Deal with it. Obama is the LIAR. Got that??

PLONK!

[Justitia]

78. YOU obviously have no idea what the word IMPEACHMENT means, do you?

And WHO exactly got IMPEACHED and lost their LAW LICENSE for LYING?

The name is CLINTON.

You are delusional and live outside of reality & history - deal with it.

[Alexander]

71. He didn't. But look for rabid Shillbots screaming "Wright! Rezko! Ayers!" and all that garbage.

At this point they just want to smear and destroy Obama. They hate him and no amount of reasoning will change that.

[Carrieyazel]

79. Last night. He once supported a ban on handguns; now says he never did.

Both lies are fairly comparable. Except that Hillary made up a big story for hers.

[Tactical Progressive]

84. Hillary's been to many dangerous places. Obama lies constantly.

Just because the media only mentions Obama's lies in passing but won't really nail him for it, doesn't mean he's on the high road - that's just another one of his lies.

Obama's campaign and the media have very sleazily set up a conventional wisdom that Hillary is untrustworthy, so that whenever she says anything with even a slight bit of seeming contradiction in it - like letting NYS experiment with immigrant driver's licenses but not make it national policy - they can paint her as dishonest. It 'fits in with the the existing storyline' they like to say. You know, the storyline they lied to create so they could fit whatever character assassination they want into it.

It's hard to believe that Democrats have forgotten how they did this to Al Gore just two election cycles ago. When Al misremembered a FEMA trip he took, they used that to nail their whole dishonest 'storyline' into their smearing conventional wisdom. They haven't changed their tactics against the Clintons/Gore one bit.

Now somehow, because Hillary either embellished, or more likely misremembered on which trip they ducked when hearing gunfire in the distance, they are actually, and this is astounding, playing it as if it somehow invalidates her foreign policy cred. Do you think you can find the lie in that punditry?

Obama is an almost pathalogical liar. Hillary isn't even in his league when it comes to natural dishonesty. I'm tempted to say his very campaign slogan "Change You Can Believe In" is a lie, since there is almost nothing honest that you can believe in about Obama; he's one big charade. But really, it's just a character smear on Hillary that Mr 'High Road' has been using against his fellow Dem since Day One.


The short version is that the media isn't going to call Obama out on his continual lying, but they've set up a media storyline that Hillary is dishonest so that when they they catch her in something, no matter how meaningless, they can make it look like she's been lying all the time. IWO, they have created a conventional wisdom that lies against Clinton from both sides. Same as they did to Al.

Between Obama, the media and Hillary, the only one who is NOT a congenital liar is Hillary.

[Texas Hill Country]

86. ummm... my handwriting was not on that questionairre, umm... Ayers, I barely know him... ummm...

Auchi, i know that guy gave rezko the money to help me buy my house but i never met him... ummmmm.... I didnt know rezko that well and he didnt contribute very much money....

ummmm...


i could go on?