I Can't Hear You.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Can't hear a word you're saying.

The crying's too loud in here. Way too loud.

In fact, I haven't heard such loud incessant crying since Marty Brodeur last complained to a ref (sorry, I'm stuck in playoff hockey mode right now).

Obama bombed last night.

He just did.

He could've done far better.

He didn't.

Oh well.

Get over it.

Life goes on.

Sheesh.

[JimGinPA]

1. Can You Hear...

[Bonobo]

2. It's silly to ignore the Media issues as if they don't exist.

We need a fair media in a Democracy to keep the people informed.

If you think it is just a matter of one side whining, you are really missing an important issue.

[SeaLyons]

24. Media issues definitely exist...

It's just that this is the first time you guys have been on the receiving end. I must say, you don't seem to be handling it very well.

[Terran]

34. The "first time"??

Obama's had nothing BUT this kind of BS from the media for months, from flag pins/patriotism to being a Muslim to Rev. Wright to "bitter"...and gosh, look where he is now. If you think *he* can't handle this stuff, you've not been paying attention. I don't think it matters whether *we* can handle it or not. People are pissed off over a debate that is being universally panned as bad; if you were smart you'd be pissed off too, as your candidate got the shaft as well.

[SeaLyons]

37. The media

has given Obama a free pass on all the issues you listed. This debate is the first time he's been confronted. Deal with it.

[Terran]

40. What planet are you on?

The media have harped on all this stuff for months; the debate was just a continuation of it. Or did you miss that big speech about race in America that caused such a stir? Why did you think he made that speech, just for the hell of it? Jesus, try reality, you might get a little more mileage out of it.

[SeaLyons]

47. The media has had to report on all

of Obama's mishaps. The difference is the slant that's placed on it - always minimizing or trying to figure out if Obama can survive it? I don't know what media you watch, but if you watch MSNBC, they might as well be on Obama's payroll.

That speech on race would have been a lot more effective to me if it had been for the hell of it. Since it was politically motivated, it had less meaning to me.

What planet are you on??

[Terran]

48. we'll have to disagree

You AND the media call them "mishaps", as if he did something wrong. Most people (apparently) see it for what it is: harping on stupid shit for ratings or political gain.

And btw, would your candidate ever have made a similar speech on her own, regardless of motivation? I think not, and of course she still hasn't, and won't. It took a lot to make that speech even if it was done in reaction; he could have just stayed silent. He *chose* to speak up about something no other serious political candidate has ever spoken about.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Apparently superdelegates disagree with you.

And that's why they're switching to Obama.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. If You Think Superdelegates Base Their Decisions Off Of One Debate,

than you're more politically ignorant than I thought.

Chances are, even with his bombing last night it won't affect much of anything. Still doesn't mean he didn't bomb though...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. No.

I think they release Obama's the better candidate, and don't fall for stupid spin like your post.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. So Silly.

Nothing spun in my post at all.

In fact, I'm an Obama supporter. Overall I find him to be the better candidate as well. But I have the fortitude, heart, integrity and maturity to accept and admit when he doesn't do something well. Last night he bombed. That's not spin, it's blunt and plain reality. He stumbled on questions he should've been prepared for a million times over. He didn't answer nearly as well as he should've. That's a fact. He bombed last night. Big deal. The world didn't end.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. You can't defend that "debate" last night and call other people silly.

It doesn't work that way.

"In fact, I'm an Obama supporter."

You also can't lurk around waiting until Obama's the clear winner, then come out supporting Clinton just to cause trouble, attack Obama's wife of all things, and then call yourself an Obama supporter.

Because it doesn't fool anybody.

This is why nobody takes you seriously, OMC.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Who Defended The Debate? Always Makin Things Up Bornablahblah.

I think the format was atrocious and ABC was disgraceful.

None of that means that Obama in fact didn't bomb. He did. Plain blunt fact: He stumbled on questions that he should've been able to field strongly and cleanly. He didn't do the latter. He should've. He bombed them. Get over it.

And I support Hillary too. I'm a democrat. I tend to support democrats. They're both great.

[dionysus]

27. Watch Out. He Will Outsmart You By Capitalizing The First Letter Of Every Word....

:rofl:

[barb162]

30. Some are, some aren't.

If Obama keeps answering questions like he did last night, watch some switching to Clinton.

[Debi]

4. I have missed you! Where have you been

PM me, I want to talk w/you.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Hi Debi!!!!!

Haven't been here much lately. Just been really busy is all.

[Debi]

20. I bet it's been nice - this place raises a person's blood pressure! n/t

[TankLV]

41. same with me - thought I'd check in today and evidently the "saint" bombed...

life is good...

I stay away from the "obamaunderground" for periods because of my blood pressure too...

[Selatius]

5. Consensus seems to be that he bombed if we referenced the news media.

Regardless, I didn't watch the debate, but I was able to gauge the news media by looking at what others were saying. A lot of them said he was shakened by some of the questions thrown his way.

[AtomicKitten]

6. Welcome to 2008! Obama has changed the paradigm of politics and Hillary is running a 2004 campaign.

[Lilith Velkor]

9. Welcome back to the bughouse, OMC

Get yer schadenfreude on. :popcorn:

:toast:

[Bigleaf]

10. Does this Brodeur shit have anything to do with Sean Avery?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. Nah. He Was A Crybaby Before Sean, He'll Be A Crybaby Long After.

LOL

[shaniqua6392]

11. I agree that he did not do well at all OMC.

I also think he says, "ahhhhh" and "ummmmm" too many times. He would fail speech class if he were in one right now. Drives me batty.

[cliffordu]

15. Hillary is losing by every metric....Keep throwing crap!! Smile!!!

:rofl:

[dionysus]

25. But OMC IS Smart!!! You Can Tell By His Clever And Original Capitalization Scheme...

[cali]

16. He did well enough. Today 3 more SDs endorsed him

I tend to think that hillary was the one who was hurt last night. The SDs don't like her personal attacks on Obama- that's been amply demonstrated.

[Name removed]

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[LSK]

19. have you read Assault on Reason?

You think its ok to ask if his reverend is patriotic enough or why he doesn't wear the flag??? But then they have to rush through gas prices at the end???

Come on, you know better, don't get sucked into the cult of personality. This is about how disgusting our media has become and its a glaring example of the dumbing down of America.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. I Thought The Questioning Was Tabloid And Pathetic.

But regardless of the content of the questions, his responses to them were quite lacking. I don't think it's such a big deal to stand up and acknowledge that.

[barb162]

28. Yes, the questioning could have been better but I have thought

that of all of the previous debates.

[LSK]

29. why should he even have to answer these idiotic questions?

Is Reverend Wright patriotic?

Why don't you wear the flag pin?

Explain your buddy with the weatherunderground?

If he bombs on idiotic questions, so what. The questions reflect more on the idiots asking them than on how he answers them. Americans are sick of this meaningless gotcha politics and thats what his campaign has been built on.

ps: I thought he handled the weatherunderground one very well.

[barack the house]

22. *sob sob* pass me a tissue. FIRED UP, AND MORE THAN RADY TO GO. =)

[barb162]

26. Heads exploding galore last night.

My oh my.
:hi:

[DefenseLawyer]

31. You know, I was just thinking, I wish there was a pompous blowhard that could set me straight

and help me get my mind right. And BANG! there you are.

[TwilightGardener]

32. Bwah!

[dionysus]

33. rofl, you just pwned OMC...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Oh. Yes. Ow. Mommy. I'm. Just. So. Hurt. No One's. Ever. Called. Me. Out. Like.That. Before. Wah.

Wow, are you easily impressed...

:rofl:

[dionysus]

39. Sounds Like You're The One Easily Impressed By Youself...

psst, you act like you're 12 years old...
:eyes:

[TankLV]

42. umm - look in the mirror...

[0007]

52. Like a junior high drop out!

[donheld]

35. That's great

:rofl:

[jpak]

36. Get a grip - what an ignorant naive thing to say

repeat - get a grip

[TankLV]

43. wow - I thought the obamabots were out of touch, but all the posts by them here prove it...

maybe we can all collect some cheeze to go with their whine - but we'll have to pre-chew it first with all the nashing of teeth and wailing...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[dionysus]

45. laugh all you want Tank, I'll pass you a tissue when Hillary drops out.

[hfojvt]

44. past experience tells me

you wouldn't listen even if you could hear. In fact, that's what your OP is saying. "I am not gonna listen".

Is there no such thing as a legitimate fan gripe? One playoff game the Packers were playing the 49ers. On the final drive the 49ers fumbled and the Packers recovered. It was game over - victory for the Pack!!

Except that the refs called it wrong. They called 'down by contact' and let the 49ers keep the ball.

True, the Packers could still have won by stopping the touchdown that SF scored a couple of plays later, but the fact remains that they HAD won, but the officials took the victory away by making a bad call.

[haymakeragain]

46. You're full of crap. Based on the ridiculous questioning, I'd say

he did fine. the majority of viewers would probably agree that the whole show was a joke and wasn't worth their time. He probably comes out better having had to endure such bullshit.

Weak post, adds little.

[Shakespeare]

49. Newsflash: It wasn't a good night for EITHER candidate.

I'm unaffiliated for now (Edwards supporter, will vote for the eventual nominee), but I don't think either of them had a great night last night.

Hillary admitted she lied about Bosnia (and got VERY lucky that Obama made the class move not to pile on as she did with Wright and Ayers).

She refused to comment on the Ayers commutation.

Her answer about Iran was fucking frightening, and ought to be getting a LOT more scrutiny.

So, no, not a good night for her, either. It was a WORSE night for the electorate, because we had a shitty "debate" moderated by two people who framed every policy question (when they finally GOT to one an hour into the debacle) as if the GOP position was the correct position. Think about THAT for awhile. And Gibon's arguing (not moderating, but actively ARGUING) over the capital gains tax was WAY out of line.

It was awful. Just downright awful. And comments to that effect don't make anybody a "crybaby," especially those of us who are more removed from the thing right now than Hillary or Obama supporters. I was disgusted.

[GoldieAZ49]

50. he must have done really bad, the snivel machine is cranked!

it is everyone's fault except Obama's!!!!!!!

he didn't know who what where when or why he has said, done and associated with questionable concepts actions and people.

Just let him be the leader of the free world so he can figure it all out later.


:rofl:

[haymakeragain]

51. How many straws did you gather with that reach?

That's all you got.

[mudesi]

53. You couldn't resist, could you? (nm)

[apocalypsehow]

54. Promises, promises...

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