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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:09 PM
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TYT: The ABC debate last night...They were a parody of themselves. It was embarrassing to watch.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-what-he-said-game_b_97203.html

The "What He Said" Game
By Cenk Uygur

Every election cycle the Republicans play the same game of distraction. They want to distract people from what they have done, so they turn the focus on to what their opponents said, or what someone who can nominally be linked to their opponents said.

And every year, the press dutifully plays along.

The ABC debate last night might have been the most egregious example because it seemed like it was the only thing they asked about, but the whole election so far has been littered with these false controversies. All of this plays exactly into the hands of the Republicans. Don't worry about what we did to this country, look away, instead spend all your time getting angry about what someone said.

What did Rev. Wright say, what did a man from the Weather Underground say, what did Obama say about bitter people , what did Hillary say about Bosnia? And now, it's even sillier - what did they wear? First, it was Hillary wearing something that theoretically showed cleavage http://mediamatters.org/items/200708010003 - and this was supposed to prove how cunning she is. And now it's whether Obama wears a flag lapel pin.

The thing that I keep wondering about is whether the actors in this play realize they are in a theater of the absurd and dutifully do their parts or if they are all naifs who are being played themselves.

Does Stephanopoulos realize that he is helping the Republican election strategy by asking an insane and inane question about whether Obama wears an American flag? Or does he have no clue as to how he is being spun? It's all in the question, George. In case you don't know, let me make you aware, the answer is irrelevant, the Republicans win when you ask the question because 1) it sets Obama up as unpatriotic and makes him look defensive when he answers that he is patriotic - it's like asking him whether he beats his wife 2) it distracts from the real issues and gets people to vote the wrong way based on superficialities rather than the real issues that effect their lives.

This Republican administration, aided and abetted the whole way by the Republicans in Congress, has led us into a disastrous war in Iraq. 4,000 Americans killed, 30,000 wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed. Think about that for a second. Hundreds of thousands of civilians - women, children, brothers, sisters, aunts, grandfathers - all killed based on a tremendous, world changing mistake by the Republicans, George W. Bush and John McCain (and Hillary Clinton). And they're asking what Obama is wearing?

It's the game of don't look at what we've done, look at what he said. If we don't all rise up and rebel against it, they are going to keep playing this game forever. They asked Obama about what his neighbor said about something his neighbor had done forty years ago. Do you know all the things you're neighbor has said and done? And what would you do if you did know? Give him a sound thrashing?

Meanwhile, Rome is burning. The economy is a mess. The dollar is crashing because we have spent far too much money and borrowed even more for wars that did more harm than good. And now Charlie Gibson asks, no demands, that Clinton and Obama pledge to never, ever raise taxes. He says that revenues always rise when you lower capital gains taxes. Really? Would they rise even more if we lower the rate to 1%? How about 0%?

Does Charlie Gibson know that Republicans lower taxes irresponsibly every time they get into office and then blame the Democrats for raising them because the economy is crashing when they get into office? Does he know this shell game? Does he know his question is loaded to make it appear that the Democrats want to take your money and that everything would be fine if we just stopped taxing everyone?

***Does he ever ask the Republicans to take a pledge to not cut taxes if the budget isn't balanced? Think about that one for a second. You have to think about it because it has never, ever been asked of the Republicans.***

But what a relief it was when they did ask the loaded policy questions because they were at least policy questions. I timed it. ***It took 52 minutes into the debate before the ABC "News" folks asked a single question on the issues.***

They were a parody of themselves. It was embarrassing to watch.

Will someone ask John McCain - yes or no, if you had to do Iraq war over again, would you do it? I don't want to hear about how McCain complained about Rumsfeld and how he would have done the war so much better. I want to know, knowing what you know now, would you have invaded Iraq? Shoot, they won't even ask him to apologize for what his pastor said or what his neighbor said, let alone ask him the most relevant question there is http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/3/19/12226/1730/Diary/Different-Standards-for-Black-and-White-Preachers .

This game sickens me. All I want to know now is whether the so-called news folks are in on it or if they are fools being played like clueless puppets. I want to know whether I should be angry or sad. Imagine how embarrassed they must feel this morning if none of this had ever occurred to them and for the first time they realized they've been played for fools all along. That the Republicans call them names, accuse them of being biased and then have them do their bidding every year -- and then laugh at them behind their back and talk about how pathetic they are.

www.theyoungturks.com
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:15 PM
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1. I was so let-down last night....
That debate was a joke. I agree with all that was said above. It truly was embarrassing to watch.

:kick:
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:15 PM
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2. Yes! Big K & R!
Painful!
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:18 PM
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3. some emails
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 12:19 PM by Tuesday_Morning
from Hudson at DKos

charles.gibson@abc.com, heidi.b.oringer@abc.com, abcnews.storyideas@gmail.com, jonathan.hogan@ abc.com, erin.felentzer@ abc.com, abcaudr@abc.com, Patrick.k.preblick@abc.com, Stacey.goldfaden@abc.com, wendy.figliuolo@abc.com, Julie.carruthers@abc.com, charles.a.gallo@abc.com, erin.felentzer@abc.com, netaudr@abc.com, investor.relations@disneyonline.com, stossel@abc.com, Edmund.w.poor@abc.com, brian.frons@abc.com, frank.valentini@abc.com, Lauren.kapp@abc.com, anne.x.sweeney@abc.com, brian.frons@abc.com, jill.phelps@abc.com, steve.jones@abc.com, damonl@abc.com, brian.ross@abc.com, randall.bloomquist@abc.com, ernie.fears@abc.com, chris.j.berry@abc.com, Michael.t.connolly@abc.com, john.e.mcconnell@abc.com, abcradio@abc.com

Some of these may be out of date. But I think everyone working for the company should feel the heat (and get the water cooler conversations going about how irate the public is).

Here are some for Disney execs (Disney owns ABC):

Robert.A.Iger@disney.com, anne.sweeney@disney.com, albert.cheng@disney.com, rich.ross@disney.com, gary.marsh@disney.com, scott.garner@disney.com, sean.cocchia@disney.com, peter.murphy@disney.com, george.bodenheimer@disney.com, jewell.engstrom@disney.com, nicole.nichols@disney.com, patti.mcteague@disney.com, siobhan.kenny@disney.com, paul.lee@disney.com, david.stainton@disney.com, meredith.metz@disney.com, alex.wallau@disney.com, david.westin@disney.com, mike.shaw@disney.com, george.mitchell@dlapiper.com, jestrin@packetdesign.com, john.bryson@edisonintl.com, monica.lozano@laopinion.com, john.chen@sybase.com, gary.wilson@nwa.com, leo.odonovan@mbna.com, tom.staggs@disney.com, David.K.Thompson@disney.com, david.thompson@disney.com, andy.bird@disney.com, alan.braverman@disney.com, kevin.mayer@disney.com, Ronald.iden@disney.com, zenia.mucha@disney.com, preston.padden@disney.com, Thomas.staggs@disney.com, brent.woodford@disney.com,
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:37 PM
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4. Thanks for the links. Jgraz also has a good thread on the debate
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:22 PM
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5. Yes, I consider it the apex of my rhetorical career
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 03:06 PM
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11. Ha, ha... n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:32 PM
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6. They are clueless, I now don't see StephOnHisDickLess as a person who takes his job seriously
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 01:35 PM by uponit7771
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:07 PM
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7. I don't know who won the debate, but Gibson and Stephanopoulos are real losers
I see a couple of candidates trying to talk about issues when the moderators insisted they talk trash.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:39 PM
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8. K&R - Cenk nails it -- thanks!! nt
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:39 PM
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9. Cenk is the best
K&R
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:40 PM
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10. Thanks for posting this. K/R.
Cenk is on the money.

:kick:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 03:08 PM
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12. Great answer to the flag pin question here...Obama should use a vairation of it
"This Republican administration, aided and abetted the whole way by the Republicans in Congress, has led us into a disastrous war in Iraq. 4,000 Americans killed, 30,000 wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed. Think about that for a second. Hundreds of thousands of civilians - women, children, brothers, sisters, aunts, grandfathers - all killed based on a tremendous, world changing mistake by the Republicans, George W. Bush and John McCain (and Hillary Clinton). And they're asking what Obama is wearing?"
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 03:40 PM
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13. Yes, he should n/t
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 03:57 PM
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14. They know that
They don't want there capitol gains cut. They are bought and paid for. It was so damed obvious even the dimmest bulb should see it.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:59 PM
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15. Bump!
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:01 PM
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16. I was almost embarrassed for him
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:12 PM
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17. I agree, totally embarrassing for Stephanopoulos and Gibson n/t
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:20 PM
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19. Oh please n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:17 PM
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18. K & R
:thumbsup:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:44 PM
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20. Strange how the netroots had no problem when...
this was done to Hillary in a much worse manner on NBC by Russert and Williams.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:48 PM
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21. Much worse manner?
And of course there was a reaction, what are you talking about?

At any rate, how can you be proud of the way Hillary has run this campaign? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/its-impossible-to-be-prou_b_96782.html

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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:47 PM
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22. You forgot to give this a rec Ax10!
:)
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:06 AM
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23. Ha, ha...
That was awesome.
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