Let's Tally Obama's Lies in the Debate!

[Austinitis]

It's like an Easter-Egg hunt! They're hidden all over the transcript!

NUMBER ONE:
Lie:

Mr. GIBSON: But do you still favor the registration of guns? Do you still favor the licensing of guns?

And in 1996, your campaign issued a questionnaire, and your writing was on the questionnaire that said you favored a ban on handguns.

SENATOR OBAMA: No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire, Charlie. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.

Fact:

You can see the questionnaire http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080328_obama_iviquestionaire_091096.html">here. Obama's handwriting is on the first page, but tonight he said flatly, "no, my writing was not on that particular questionnaire."

There were, in fact, two versions of the questionnaire, filed under Obama's name in 1996 when he was running for the Illinois State Senate. One version has Obama's handwriting on it, one does not. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor subsequently told Politico that the senator scribbled a few notes on the first page of the questionnaire, but did not read the response to the question about banning handguns, on a subsequent page.

Either way, it seems a rather lame explanation.

NUMBER TWO:
Lie: "I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins."
Fact: Obama did insist won't wear the flag pin.

Contrast his statement last night with what he said on Oct. 3, 2007, when a TV reporter in Iowa asked why he wasn't wearing a flag pin: "You know, the truth is that, right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that (pin) became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is (about) speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security. I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and, hopefully, that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

NUMBER Three:
Lie:

And, you know, the notion that somehow that the American people are going to be distracted once again by comments not made by me but by somebody who is associated with me, that I have disowned, I think doesn't give the American people enough credit.

Fact: I think we all remember Obama's "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community" comments from the speech.


It seems like someone has an honesty problem. Pitch in everyone! It'll be a contest!

[Texas Hill Country]

1. Don't forget: "I barely know Ayers"

[trumad]

5. Two posts, two idiots,

[Jersey Devil]

17. Well, of course he helped Ayers plan bombings when he was 8

For practice they threw water balloons off the marquee of the local movie house at girls leaving the Saturday Matinee

[Bensthename]

20. And he was in a room with him that one time. Dont forget that.

[Texas Hill Country]

32. no, but his answer was bullshit. they are neighbors, both teachers a UofC, and Dir of Wood Fund...

Ayers had campaign dinners at his house, etc. etc. etc.


barely know him... my ass.

he barely knew Rezko too, right? LOL

[Jersey Devil]

36. Are you Sean Hannity?

What is your point? You think Obama sympathizes with the Weather Underground that existed only until he was about 8 and has been a secret admirer of theirs ever since he saw them on newsreel in between Tarzan and Bomba of the Jungle movies at the Saturday afternoon movie matinees he saw as a kid?

[guyanakoolaid]

41. I liked Clinton's response to Obama's revelation that Bill pardoned two Weather Underground members

Sounded like crickets.

:rofl:

[mrJJ]

44. I can't take no more lies!!!!

Here are the lies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl

"A mind & vote is a terrible thing to waste"... think before you jump

[TankLV]

57. I don't know Rezko and never got a penny from him...

wright is a "good man" - I never sat in church when he said such things...then to become...I never heard him say such things...(or was it the other lie first)...

not to mention mcglurkin and full gay equality...

[Oregone]

2. "There are 136"

:)

[GarbagemanLB]

3. Lying about being shot at > lying about lapel pins.

[Austinitis]

13. Because that questionarie isn't a big deal at all...

I mean, really. Who could care if you lie about your positions? Isn't it enough that he says he'll pull out of Iraq? That he says he'll oppose NAFTA. That he says he has views in a questionare when it'll help him get elected?

[GarbagemanLB]

15. Remember when Hillary lied about being a critic of the war before Obama, or when she lied about

always being a critic of NAFTA? There are some disturbing trends showing she has difficulty speaking the truth.

[Austinitis]

23. I thought your whole argument was "not a big deal"

So you're admitting the survey is a big deal?

[MonkeyFunk]

76. Why?

Neither one has any relevance to any issue a President will face.

[Happyhippychick]

4. Is this all you've got? He "lies" about flag pins? Ooooh....he's TROUBLE!

Put him in time out!

[Austinitis]

26. Lying about survey? Reply? Kind of a big deal....

[Happyhippychick]

50. Uh...you wrote that his handwriting was not on one of the surveys.

He said "my handwriting was not on that survey."

I don't see a lie.

[guyanakoolaid]

43. American flag lapel pins are a serious issue!

:sarcasm:

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Also, he clearly meant disowning the comments. Jesus christ, some of you Hillbots are stupid.

[EnviroBat]

28. Braindead is more like it...

[Austinitis]

29. Survey? survey? survey?

[MattBaggins]

7. Oh Gooooody

Do we get to compare them to Hillarys lies afterwards?

huh huh can we please?

[bowens43]

8. talk about desperation....

no wonder your candidate can't win an election....pathetic.

[redqueen]

9. Aw how sad...

Your first claim is nonsense. He didn't say he'd never wear one... the context is clear - he wouldn't wear one as a reflexive gesture during 9/11-fever.

As for the second... two versions? Do I really need to explain further?

And as for the third... :rofl: that "disown" refers to the COMMENTS... duh! Grammar is hard, but not that hard!

[Austinitis]

19. That's like the best trick ever!

Your first claim is nonsense. He didn't say he'd never wear one... the context is clear - he wouldn't wear one as a reflexive gesture during 9/11-fever.

You just add a qualifier whenever it looks like your candidate lied! Hillary did land under sniper-fire in her speech!

Dude, is someone paying you? Because someone needs to be.

[redqueen]

21. Hillary admitted she lied.

Sorry for your pain... it'll get better with time. :hug:



p.s. I agree - I should get paid for this. :P

[Austinitis]

27. Obama's going to have to as well

And when you're feeling that pain, come talk to me. I'll give you some tips on working through the embarrassment.

[redqueen]

33. Hehehehe... that's very kind of you.

However he's not going around insisting that blatant untruths are actually true, so... I don't expect I'll have to take you up on that.

Thanks, though, still. :)

[The Doctor.]

38. Wow. So is it your philosophical experience that allows you to convert phraseology to lies?

I mean... it takes a lot of imagination to pull 'lies' out of those statements.

[Quixote1818]

10. Dumbest OP in DU history. Flag Pins????

:puke:

[XemaSab]

11. Welcome to my "buddy" list

Enjoy your stay!

[Name removed]

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[SKKY]

14. It must be easy to be you...

...

[haymakeragain]

16. You got no cred.

Save it.

[Bensthename]

18. BS.. He never said he disowned Wright. And the flag pin issue is ridiculous.

[Austinitis]

24. You guys are ignoring the survey! nt

[Bensthename]

34. Not really. I gave it my full attention actually.

[SeaLyons]

22. He never really answered

the question as to why he told Wright they would need to part company over a year ago.

[gateley]

40. He kind of did --

(and I wasn't aware of this) == he said it was because of statements he'd (Wright) made in a Rolling Stone article, but the moderators didn't give him a chance (or he chose not to, I don't remember) to elaborate.

[crankychatter]

25. If Austin's an "itis" YOU, apparently, are the irritant

such a fine town is wasted on you

[EnviroBat]

30. Geeze the low-posting trolls are coming out of the woodwork today.

Quick, get the RAID!

[tokenlib]

31. So when are you going to start???

All three of these have been debunked easily in the above responses

[TankLV]

59. only in YOUR mind - no - they HAVEN'T...

[Terran]

35. RE: "Number Three"

I believe he disowned the *comments*, not the man, and that is what he said. His grammar isn't always perfect, so sue him.

The flag pin issue: who fucking cares?

[Austinitis]

37. Survey, Survey, Survey?

[Terran]

58. Please note this:

The survey says:

Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

(emphasis mine)

Obama was asked about this issue by Charlie Gibson in a *national* setting in regard to running for *national* office. So I find it quite possible he supported a local ban on handguns in Illinois without ever favoring an "all-out" national ban on handguns. I don't see a lie here, or at least any definitive proof of a lie.

Also, not that it matters a great deal, but I see no indication of Obama's handwriting on the survey in regard to the handgun issue--contrary to what Gibson said. There is some handwriting there about something else, but is it his writing? I don't know; do you? So I don't know that he lied about that either.

[Austinitis]

61. The lie is in the claim that he didn't fill out the survey

Obama can think whatever he wants. He just shouldn't lie about it.

[Terran]

62. Uh, when did he say that?

SENATOR OBAMA: No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire, Charlie. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.

He didn't say he didn't fill it out. We seem to have gotten around the gun issue bit, so all you have left is to whine about whether he filled it out, or someone filled it out for him? Pathetic.

[Austinitis]

64. That's been his position for a while

[Terran]

66. okay, if that's so, then...

where is the lie here? I've never heard this, but if he says he's not the one who filled the survey out, and someone else filled it out and presumably answered that question incorrectly, then where is any evidence he's lying about it? He either read and approved the answers or he didn't, and he's saying he didn't. Can you prove otherwise? His answer may be "lame" in your mind, that don't make it a lie, friend. Not by a long shot.

[Austinitis]

69. The handwriting thing is the lie

both because it shows he's lying about seeing the contents and because he actually lied about writing on the handout last night.

[Terran]

73. Oh please

1) The presence of some unknown handwriting on the document doesn't prove he read the document. It's on the first page, the gun questions are on the last page.

2) Maybe he forgot, after 12 farking years, that he scribbed something on a piece of paper? is that too lame for you?

[Austinitis]

77. It's been in the news for weeks!

See this Politico story from late March:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

[high density]

68. So you've never been in a discussion and left out a word or two as you're talking?

Everybody knows what Obama meant except you, and Obama even clarified it a second later.

[redqueen]

39. Actually, the context is pretty clear...

even though the subject is removed from the modifier by a few words, it's still pretty clear, IMO. :)

[Austinitis]

45. I think it's going to take a bit more context

to make that survey thing go away. It's easy gotcha-fodder.

[redqueen]

48. Well then you've got no reason to worry...

Ole Hillary Oakley should win out on the guns issue. :D

[Austinitis]

52. It's the *lie* not the position

I think most of us are OK with some level of gun control. I'm not OK with Obama lying about his positions to win votes in PA. I'm not OK with him lying about his role in the questionare. I'm not OK with him lying about his handwriting.

[redqueen]

54. I'm OK with there being two surveys.

Sorry... but unless he goes around repeatedly saying in front of God and everyone that what is blatantly untrue is true... there is just no comparison.

:)

[Austinitis]

55. Both say the same thing...

[redqueen]

56. Oh noes!!11!1!!!eleventy-one!

Is he going around repeating lies over and over?

Do you get it yet? :rofl:

[superkia]

42. Posts like these make me feel Obamas chances are getting...

better and better. Is this really what came from that waste of a debate? I think there are some who are getting worried that Obama may just have a chance and they are stretching and spinning everything thats out there. Keep up the great work Clinton, more and more people see who you really are as the time goes on and thats a positive thing for Obama!

[Swamp Rat]

46. This type of rhetoric has destroyed Hillary Clinton's campaign.

[ProSense]

47. That's really desperate: "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest."

"I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins.

Decided and refused mean the same thing?

It appears at that time he decided not to wear one (like I decided not to wear blue today, albeit for a different reason), and then changed his mind.

That is not a lie.

Your number three is ridiculous because you obviously are trying to distort by taking the comment out of context:

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: You've disowned him?

SENATOR OBAMA: The comments, comments that I've disowned. Then that is not something that I think --

I guess that's why posters like you exclude the link.

[Austinitis]

51. Survey? survey? survey?

[ProSense]

63. Huh? Huh? Huh? n/t

[FVZA_Colonel]

81. That's not a response.

eom.

[dpbrown]

49. Careful, you can't criticize the Messiah

You could be struck by capital gains tax lightning.

[Jed Dilligan]

53. WOW!!!11!11 YOU RELLY NAILED HIM LOLZ!!1!1!1111!!

[Life Long Dem]

60. Just more spin from Hillary

[goletian]

65. get these fox news rejects out of here... - nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

67. Better yet lets tally all the freeper shit coming from Hill and her supporters.

We would need a super computer though.

[Vinca]

70. Wow - how much are you getting paid for your 110 posts? nt

[Austinitis]

80. I'm getting a chance to see my candidate win

[Vinca]

84. I thought you were for Hillary.

:rofl:

[spanone]

71. better idea, let's hide your thread

[Austinitis]

72. By kicking it?

I knew there had to be a reason that you Obama people are having a hard time in the race...

[quiller4]

74. It isn't Obama's handwriting

A campaign aide wrote the notes. You can find samples of Obama's script online and it differs markedly from the scrawl on the survey.

[Austinitis]

75. Obama ADMITS that it is

See:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/?hpid=topnews

[zulchzulu]

78. Hahahaha! Nice try...

There was a questionnaire done in 1996 that was filled out by a staffer. WOW! A QUESTIONNAIRE!!!!

On the STUPID FUCKING Flag Pin "issue", that's pretty squirrelly of you to say that's a "lie". Obama's point about questioning someone's patriotism because of outsourced jewelry may be over your little head.

And the last indication of your desperation, you left out his next sentence where he said he did not agree with the Wright quotes, another STUPID FUCKING issue.

Wow. It's like dealing with pimple-faced Repugs who stay at their mommy's house around here.

[Austinitis]

79. It's a survey that he lied about

both when he said he didn't fill it out and when he said his handwriting wasn't on it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

82. You forgot the lie he told about Bosnia: his campaign has been e-mailing the press

about Bosnia constantly, while he pretended he did not continue bringing up the issue.

[Austinitis]

85. Awesome. There are 100 of these crazy things

And we've just got to keep his feet on the fire.

[EFerrari]

83. I can't wait until Skinner bans these stupid, disruptive, destructive threads.

No matter who they are about.

[Evergreen Emerald]

86. Really? Distruptive? When we finally get a thread that tells the truth

it is disruptive?