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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:20 PM
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Theda Skocpol: He Said, She Said
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He Said, She Said
By Theda Skocpol - April 17, 2008, 6:00PM

After spending much of the day doing the sorts of things that normal teacher/scholars do, I returned to the blogosphere to see a raging debate about who said what at the January 1995 meeting convened by the Clintons at Camp David to help them sort through the 1994 election debacle and help him prepare for the 1995 State of the Union Address.

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I have gone back to my 1995 notes to check my recollections of the event. My notes do not have any exact words, so I am not going to try to corroborate a particular phrase from Hillary Clinton or any other speaker.

But what is clear in both in my memory and my notes is that there was extensive, hard-nosed discussion about why masses of voters did not support Clinton or trust government or base their choices on economic as opposed to what people saw as peripheral life-style concerns. Hillary Clinton was among the most cold-blooded analysts in attendance. She spoke of ordinary voters as if they were a species apart, and showed interest only in the political usefulness of their choices -- usefulness to the Clinton administration, that is.

I vividly remember at the time finding it impressive that Bill Clinton (not Hillary Clinton) showed real empathy for the ordinary people whose motives and supposedly misguided choices were under analysis. Ironically, just as Barber reported, Bill Clinton was the one who combined analysis and empathy, much as Obama himself did in his full San Francisco remarks.

I think this whole angle of "gotcha" politics about snippets of speech transposed from one context to another is ridiculous and pathological for democracy in America -- and I cannot fathom why the Clintons or George Stephanopoulos are descending to this dirt, not to mention the guilt-by-association crap. It is particularly despicable of them to criticize Obama for the sort of observation/analysis that was routine in and around the 1990s Clinton White House. And I cannot help but feel there is a psychological edge of pure envy in Bill Clinton's attacks: Obama is empathetic and charismatic as well as smart, just like Bill was back then, in those so much better days!

Over and out. I am going to try to find a way to preserve in amber my better memories and feelings about the Clintons, so as not to lose altogether the sense of admiration I once felt, but can no longer.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:26 PM
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1. Bill Clinton and Obama: Empathy for those who vote wedge issues
instead of their economic interests. Hillary: Screw 'em--what have they ever done for us?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:40 PM
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2. She's so coldly calculating; I find that creepy. nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:45 PM
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3. I agree--I posted this today, and I find it creepy that
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:08 PM
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4. Seems to fit her to a T, or at least impressions I have of her.
:scared:
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:21 PM
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5. I chuckled a bit at this one
"Lack of Realistic Life Plan"
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:21 PM
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6. Withering, especially in the conclusion
but up until the end of the piece, expressing some admiration for Bill.
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