ABC says -- "Debate talk of the town. Not good for Obama"

[Yael]

Dear Lord, I can't believe this. ABC's coverage is regurgitating WrightGate soundbytes, making Obama sound bitter about it being 45 minutes before the issues came up.

"Some people angry, but many thought it was good preparation for the GE".

They are mocking MoveOn.org for wanting to "send a message to ABC".

Gibson is encouraging people to comment on the website as they "appreciate all comments".

They are positively shameless.

[C_U_L8R]

1. ABC decides to keep digging

itself into a hole. Pretty funny stuff.

[movonne]

14. Right for hillary's play book...

[sasquatch]

2. Gibson should be shunned from the convention

[TragedyandHope]

73. Agreed. The DNC leadership needs to send them a message

If they choose to work so aggressively against the interests of the country and the democratic process, they are not welcome.

Sign the MoveOn.org Petition

[Faygo Kid]

3. I can't wait for Hannity to guest host for Georgie on ABC's "This Week." And vice versa.

This was a new low for the "mainstream" media, which is now just a cheap imitation of Faux News.

[LSparkle]

4. And the fact that Disney gave MAJOR BUCKS to HRC didn't have an effect?

I think the more people find out about ABC's parent being in the tank
for her, the better.

[AZBlue]

19. OH REALLY???

Well, now that IS interesting...

[LSparkle]

42. check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5552665

[TwilightGardener]

5. If you didn't think ABC/Disney had an agenda last night, it should be clear now.

[City Lights]

6. ABC = Angry Bitter Clowns

Fark 'em.

[Cha]

58. Angry Bitter Crap.

[yourguide]

7. Are you joking?

[Yael]

15. Nope. I watched it because so many posted that they weren't going to.

[BenDavid]

8. Hannity and Colmes should be good tonight with all this outrage

about Charles and George. I'm going to look in and see how silly Colmes will come across.

[Arugula Latte]

9. Oh, so Hannity won't come across as silly?

I guess that's your guy, huh? Sean Hannity?

[slick8790]

10. How not surprising. You watch Hannity and Colmes and think COLMES looks silly. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

12. I knew most Hillary supporters were Republicans. Thanks for the confirmation.

[JackORoses]

20. did you ever really have a question about BenHannity?

[TwilightGardener]

27. Not really, but I always appreciate it when Hillary supporters let slip their

RW reading and viewing habits. It cracks me up. I know exactly what they are.

[shellgame26]

63. You know they're calling her Goddess of Peace

It's really code for GOP.

[populistdriven]

50. there is a reason why i have that idiot on ignore

[knixphan]

91. what did they say?

[populistdriven]

93. lol u asking me?

[ej510]

18. Sean Hannity's buddy hal turner hates Jews but you could careless. Hannity hates you but he hates...

Obama so you can let that slide because he rips Obama. How pathetic of you.

[democrattotheend]

25. Are you a Democrat?

You don't sound like it from a lot of your posts, including this one. Are you rooting for Hannity over Colmes?

[tblue37]

52. I think not. He took a wrong turn somewhere and ended up on DU, because

he refers to the rest of us as "you Democrats" in other threads:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3469557&mesg_id=3470238

Telling.

[0007]

29. You got your schmucks mixed up or your kippah is on back-wards.

[chascarrillo]

65. Nice of you to come out of the closet

[dionysus]

68. your slip is showing, freeper....

:rofl:

[haymakeragain]

89. You can say that again.

I call him AIPAC

[ShortnFiery]

11. I honestly believe that Barack Obama was figuratively AMBUSHED.

This was a "set-up" and everyone there was "read on" to include the lighting for Wes Clark, Ed Rendell, and Chelsea Clinton in the audience. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if HRC had the questions given to her the day before. I honestly don't hold ANYTHING past the potential for *evil* that is within "The Clintons" and their smarmy campaign.

Someone mentioned on the radio that it reminded them figuratively of the teen who walked into that home in FL only to be *jumped* by 7 other teens.

HRC and ABC *jumped* Obama. :grr:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. Did they ever show Michelle or any prominent Obama supporters?

I don't recall seeing them.

[Yael]

28. No. Quite a few media heads picked up on that and noted it today

[Starbucks Anarchist]

31. I remember at least three shots of Chelsea.

Also, in one of the shots, Rendell was sitting next to her, and I think Wes Clark was there, but I'm not totally sure.

Although one high point was when the normally subdued audience almost exploded into applause when Obama mentioned Bill Clinton commuting the sentences of two Weather Underground members.

:rofl:

[Shakespeare]

39. Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea Wes Clark Chelsea Chelsea....

In other words, no, they didn't. Weirdest fucking "debate" I've ever watched.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

41. Between Rev. Wright's patriotism and those goddamn flag pins...

I wanted to hurl my TV across the room.

[Yael]

21. And it backfired on them. Check this out

First vid: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/17/144143/721/596/497736

He is brushing her off (figuratively) like a gnat landed on his shoulder.

:evilgrin:

[murielm99]

40. Did he brush that chip off at the same time,

or did he miss it? I don't see how - it is big enough.

[Yael]

43. And you will vote for him when he wins the nom

or should I add you to the list?

[murielm99]

48. I don't do fealty posts

and I don't care about any lists you may have.

[Yael]

49. I'll go ahead and add you then.

Its for the inevitable game of tombstone schadenfreude that is coming. :thumbsup:

[murielm99]

56. Buh-bye.

And you do not decide who gets tombstones. This is not your website.

[stillcool]

83. I understand why you're bitter...

we've moved beyond grade school.

[goclark]

61. I love the" brush um off "~ It could be a new dance

Obama is the greatest thing to ever happen to politics!

[Quixote1818]

75. That was a great video. He was awesome. nt

[SeaLyons]

79. If he's that easily "jumped"

then he should not be running for President. That debate was nothing. Your comment makes Obama look like an inept wimp. His supporters should give him more credit and just admit he handled the debate badly. Blaming others doesn't change his performance.

[gal]

86. I think he handled being jumped just fine considering

but I also think ABC owed the American people that tuned into that a little more than the charade they got.
I don't see to many people talking about that point of view.
This debate is about the American People and their decision they will face in November, for them to use that debate to give an obvious advantage and one way slant is disgusting. I won't be trusting their journalism, nor will I be watching any debates ABC would happen to have in the GE.

[SeaLyons]

90. ...

Certainly the coverage Obama has received from MSNBC (Keith) has not done him any favors. He's been handled with kid gloves. I don't trust their biased "entertainment". It's probably best to focus on your candidate and how they handled themselves. Blaming the MSM doesn't really have much to do with choosing a candidate.

[SKKY]

13. Everything I've read has been critical of ABC and the two clowns...

...who moderated it. I haven't heard diddly squat about how good Obama did or did not do.

[Yael]

24. That is why ABC is there for you, Mr. American Voter.

So that you have the "whole" story as opposed to just the snippets about how much ABC sucks.

No need to thank them. They are patriots like that.

:thumbsup:

[AZBlue]

16. They are deflecting. It hurt them, no one else.

[butterfly77]

22. What they are saying...

is that in washington its the talk of the town, and obama made a comment about it today and Tweety didn't like it, he was asking his guests what did he mean about washington...

[blogslut]

23. They're so proud

What next, ABC? Televised executions? Those would garner big ratings too. Ya bunch of soulless soap sellers.

[Cali_Democrat]

26. This debate will have no effect on the polls or peoples perceptions.

[Texas Hill Country]

30. 3 things

1. ratings... that is the name of the game. face it. they are in business.

2. these were questions that were gemaine to electability and are part of the vetting process. How well they answered these questions is a very good indicator of how well they will answer them in a few months.

3. Most people here hate it cause Clinton did better... much better. She also CRUSHED him when it came to the policy portion of the debate. if your opinion differs that is fine, but she showed a mastery of the issues that makes baracks yes we can pale in comparison.

[Yael]

32. I posted repeatedly last night that I thought this was one of her best showings

I take issue with the fact that 52 minutes was wasted on CRAP. I have been phone banking in my state (PA) and the reason we have such high undecideds (upwards of 20% in some polls) is because people were holding out to hear the issues discussed last night.

Tonight should be interesting as we start calling down to them all again.

[Windy]

37. You are truly delusional... and the only "issues" were discussed in the final minutes of the debate

and HRC got most of the air time without interruption unlike Barack.

I am STUNNED that anyone would still think that this woman would be good for this country.

[bluestateguy]

33. ABC needs to understand that their White House press passes in an Obama Adm. are in jeopardy

It would be unfortunate if they had to be taught a lesson by having their access cut off.

[kiranon]

45. Are you sure this isn't a redstate idea? Long live democracy.

[murielm99]

46. You mean pressure them into compliance, just like bush does?

We don't like that. Why should we like it any better if Obama did it?

[redqueen]

34. Hahahahahah

They're not so quick on the uptake, are they?

:rofl:

[DerekHalfhand]

35. ABC CEO says Hillary should be appointed as monarch

After seeing all the debate. I put this group of media clips together. Greatest hits, ABC clips after debate.


George Stephanopoulos - and an interview on his time in the Clinton White House.

Michael Eisner ABC CEO till 2005 - says Hillary Clinton should be appointed as a monarch instead of elected.

Walter Cronkite - Gives oath to Satan,(no joke, he says it) then Hillary Clinton congratulates him from video conferance shown on screen in room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flAl9aj6cgo

[democraticinsurgent]

36. they are not paying attention to what their own post debate shows

http://www.abcnews.go.com

This poll shows Obama far and away the winner of the debate:

------------------------------------------------------------------

Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama squared off ahead of next week's crucial Pennsylvania primary.

Who won the Democratic debate?

Sen. Barack Obama
42,147
Sen. Hillary Clinton
15,500
It was a tie
5,087
Total Vote: 62,734
Not a scientific survey.

[Yael]

38. They are completely tone deaf

and hoping that people will believe them because they heard it on the teevee.

Thanks for the heads up. Voted.

[Arrowhead2k1]

44. I seriously think

even Fox News couldn't have been as shameless as ABC is right now.

[Window]

47. ABC is DEAD to me.

Really dead.

[cascadiance]

51. How soon before they announce the DVD release of "Path to 9/11"?!!

They've not got much more to lose at this point! JERKS!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[tbyg52]

53. Yeah, they ran both positive and negative comments with no mention of what the percentages were.

They were trying to *appear* balanced, all the while spinning, spinning, spinning. Disgusting.

[windoe]

54. I wish a boycott were possible

but somehow they stay afloat, they are ABC. Ruthless sarcasm and endless ridicule will have to do for the time being.

[RBInMaine]

55. ABC (and the rest of our JOKE of a "mainstream" media) is GRADE-A CORPORATE CRAPOLA !

[Cha]

57. Maybe abc should read their own reviews instead

of catapultin' the propaganda..

KansasVoter (330 posts) Thu Apr-17-08 09:51 PM
Original message
ABC Poll Online Now shows 81% (so far) think moderators were horrible!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24190275 /

So I hope ABC realizes they were idiots!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5557565

[gore000408]

59. Well, lashing against the media wasn't going to make them like us more

It was to be expected. They have a lot of power.

[Yes We Did]

60. Get ready for the vote rigging. ABC is trying provide perception.

When they say it isn't good for Obama... they are trying to give ample reasoning for why they can rig the vote for Clinton. Typical. Don't get fooled by this game. The media is trying to lull everyone into that sound reasoning. "Obama did poorly and that's why he lost by 15 points". I see the scenario coming. "Bitter-gate had an affect". All of this is for Clinton.

This PA primary is bought and paid for by the Clintons. Penn's company, in cahoots with McCain and Black are in on it along with Rendell and the rest of the machine.

They have to provide adequate reasoning for them to get away with this.

Think Ohio in 2004 wasn't rigged for Bush, guess again.

PA Your vote is being undermined as we speak.

Obama understands this. Bitter gate was a rouse-reasoning by the machine and they fed it to the media. He doesn't expect to win PA. He doesn't want to get blown out.

[pdxmom]

62. ABC broke the golden rule of journalism and made themselves the

story. They've hurt themselves more than they've hurt Obama.

[BenDavid]

64. Jim Geraghty thinks Obama should have thrown in the towel

after the first 45 minutes, saying he looked "terrible" and was damaged by his answers to Reverend Wright and William Ayers questions.
Chuck Todd believes Obama was pummeled by both Clinton and the ABC moderators, getting rattled early on and never recovering.
Andrew Sullivan calls it Obama's "worst performance on national television," that he was "wilting, painfully" under a "series of attacks on his integrity, faith, patriotism, decency and honesty."
John Dickerson also notes the difficulties Obama had responding to his associations with Reverend Wright and William Ayers, saying, "It's hard to be full of hope when you're justifying your relationship — however tenuous — to domestic terrorists."
Hugh Hewitt says Obama was apologetic and constantly on the defensive, even though the moderators didn't "press him beyond a follow-up or two" on Wright and Ayers.
David Brooks gives Clinton a B and Obama a D+,

I honestly believe the Democratic leadership would rather lose this election then ever allow HRC to be the nominee. The leadership has an antipathy towards HRC and Bill, and would rather lose then win.

[JoFerret]

66. Omigod

shameless inviting of commentary.
they never did!
how too horrible.

[slinkerwink]

67. we need to screw ABC massively.

I'm not ever taking my kids to Disneyland or watching any Disney movies with the family.

[Jawja]

69. I've started this process

by removing "Grey's Anatomy" and "Men in Trees" from my DVR season record list.

No more ABC in any shape, form or fashion.

Now if we could get to where when we order cable service we can actually PICK the channel lineup, we would be in business. For example, I would not PAY FOR Fox News or ABC, etc.

I intend to send the Disney movies in my collection back to Disney in protest as well.

[Aloha Spirit]

70. "I intend to send the Disney movies in my collection back to Disney in protest as well." sad &

brilliant.

[meow mix]

71. nice im gonna send them stuff too

f%^*ers

[BigDDem]

72. Poor widdle Barry....the victim card is always at hand

Wuss
Wuss
Wuss

[On the Road]

74. Not Good for Obama?

Seems the more people see of him the more they like him. The worst thing for him would be if no one watched.

[Beacool]

76. Thank you ABC for not caving in!!!!

Obamanation is one scary bunch of people!!!! They act like anything Obama says is infallible. As far as I know, the only infallible guy is here in NYC right now and he's about to give a mass at Shea stadium.

[Uncle Joe]

78. The problem isn't what Obama said, it's what the moderators asked and

did not ask. They shortchanged the American People as a whole, not just Obama supporters.

You may believe they served Hillary Clinton well but I don't, because they never asked her or Obama substantive questions about the critical issues of the day during this precious prime time abuse of the American People's time.

We all lost from that debate, not just Obama and his supporters.

[Beacool]

80. No, I don't think that they served Hillary well.

On the other hand, the questions they asked are the same ones I've been hearing in PA while campaigning for Hillary. Plenty of people have mentioned Rev. Wright, their belief that he's Muslim, and the "bitter" remarks this past weekend went around like wildfire. The only issue no one asked about was Ayres.

So, despite what the left wing and the media think, these ARE concerns of the average working class folk.

Obviously it's not their main concern, that is definitely the economy and then the war. But, people choose a president as much on gut feeling as on their record, and the white blue collar workers view Obama with suspicion.

[Uncle Joe]

87. If after nearly eight years of Cheney/Bush corruption, beginning

with the selection of 2000, the disenfranchisement of the American People's votes from being counted, scandal followed by scandal, a war based on lies exploding the debt while melting the dollar, gas and food going through the roof while increasing numbers of people are thrown out of work as jobs are shipped over seas, CEO pay going to over 300 times that of the average worker from 26 times, how can the people not be bitter? These are the concerns of the working people I know.

Obama has spoken at length about Wright and his Christianity and flag lapel pins; how Soviet Union is that question?

Regarding Ayres, isn't he a Professor of English now and wasn't he pardoned by a previous President?

I would think the increasingly apparent looming catastrophe of global warming climate change would at least merit attention from the moderators and that was totally ignored.

I also believe the American People are waking up to the fact that the last adjective one should use to describe the corporate media is left wing. Didn't Stephanopolous work for Clinton's husband, do you believe there is a conflict of interest in that?

It seemed to me the biggest concern with Gibson and Stephanopolous was making sure people making at least over 100,000 and possibly closer to 200,000 didn't receive a tax increase to cover the exploding debt and melting dollar. I don't how it is in PA, but here in Tennessee people making that kind of money would hardly be average working class folk.

[otohara]

82. Congratulating A Piss Poor Performance

by MSM by democrats. :puke: Now I've see everything.

For 8 years we've been railing against the media-whores of the MSM and the way they've treated Bush and cheer leaded us into a war.

How sad Hill supporters are willing to sell out to a media who is against democracy, happy to dumb down America on a daily basis and obsess on ridiculous arguments like flag pins. If Wednesday wasn't a perfect example of dumbing down, and you don't see that, I feel sorry for you.

[bhikkhu]

94. just something to think about....

I recall that Hillary's "negative" rating was 47% before she entered the race, and is 60% now. Don't you wonder how it came to be that so many people view her unfavorably, or even just hate her?

You can thank your new pal ABC for their past contributions. They are a part of the whole POS media slime machine, which is a big part of what is wrong with our country. If Hillary won the nom they would trash her as thoroughly as they have done every Democrat who has reached that level for many years.

[AX10]

77. move.org

:rofl:

[otohara]

81. They Meaning ABC???

sounds like they are on the defensive/offensive - not everyday when a network receives 17,000 e-mails and 10,000 angry posts on website.

These people live and work in a bubble. They pat each other on the back umpteen times per day congratulation each other on the most menial things. Aren't we great, bad publicity is better than no publicity is a big one in broadcasting. 10 million viewers - champaign all around.

I didn't get the impression on the news cast that they were mocking moveon. By inviting more comments, is sending the message that "they care" - trust me, they don't give a shit!

[Vinca]

84. The debate was foolishly bad for ABC - their programming

is horrible on the best of days and this tanks their news division, too.

[Eurobabe]

85. Who said that, Already Been Chewed?

FUCK YOU ABC. You are dead to me.

[Az_lefty]

88. that debate was set up to put Hillary in a positive light and Obama on the defensive..

she's a corporate insider just like McCain and they feel safe with either of them. The last thing they want is some elitist (read uppity) black guy in the White House who's not on their team.

[knixphan]

92. Ass-Backwards-Coverage