After some thought today, my conclusion

[cornermouse]

about last night's debate and the great evil moderator flap :eyes: is that if Obama is sincere about his frequent statements about reaching across the aisle to the republicans, Stephanopoulous and Gibson aided Obama in his quest last night. Democrats may not care whether someone has a flag pin on their lapel every time they walk out the door and the other issues raised that you're having fits over, but republicans do. Of course, that means you're going to have to give up some of your ideals and move toward the right to accomodate the republicans but that's probably a small price to pay. Right?

[anonymous171]

1. Fuck Bipartisanship, Hillary is becoming an actual republican.

[hogwyld]

3. Damn!!!! You beat me to it

She is GOP.

[cliffordu]

10. Damn, you beat me to it, too!!!

BUT I HAVE A CAPS LOCK KEY SO I WIN!!!!



:hi:

[democracy1st]

9. debate

GIBSON: ABC News is pleased to sponsor the debate, along with the National Constitutional Center.

Guess who?

National Constitution Center Board of Trustees

NATIONAL HONORARY COMMITTEE
Mrs. George H.W. Bush
President & Mrs. Jimmy Carter
President William J. Clinton &
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
Mrs. Gerald R. Ford

CHAIRMAN
President George H.W. Bush

[bigwillq]

11. Former presidents and first ladies

Is that now a sin? :shrug:

[earthlover]

12. NOt a sin...but the co-sponsor of the debate certainly had people for Hillary on it...

including Hillary herself!

How could Obama have agreed to such a debate. THAT is my question for him.

[bigwillq]

15. So Clinton

should've skipped some early debates b/c she knew the other candidates and moderators would probably attack her? :shrug:

Come on people. I believe Obama should be the nominee, although I am not a 100 percent Obama or 100 percent Clinton supporter, but jeez your guy is forced to take a few hits of criticism and you cry foul like no one's ever cried foul before? Toughing' up. The GE is go to be worse. Get used to it now.

[earthlover]

18. I have no problem with difficult questions. But in a debate both parties should get an equal chanc

The deck was stacked last night. Hillary got the soft balls, with a few exceptions. Obama got the curve balls.

It is a question of fairness.

Let's imagine the debate as if it happened another way....what if 10 of 13 of Hillary's questions were about Bill's affairs prior to being elected, about Monica, about the impeachment question, about her failed healt care proposal, about Whitewater, about Vernon Jordoan, about her condescending qualities in looking down on women baking cookies, about being on the Walmart Board of Directors, about being a member of the secretive conservative religious community called the Fellowship, about her patriotism, yadayada....

The debate could have gone that way. And of course the Hillary Herd would be apoplectic by now if it had. Hell, the debate could have spelled out Hillary's lies about Bosnia instead of just making a passing reference. But it didn't.

All I am saying is a debate should have a measure of fairness to it. Both candidates should have a basically equal chance to get their message across.

Last night's debate was not the only debate where the issues were basically ignored. We have had 21 such debates. Last night just happened to be the worst.

[bigwillq]

19. Yup bad debate,

Obama did fine, and he will continue to be fine. "They" went after the frontrunner. It has happened before.

[Beregond2]

2. Republicans

don't care about that crap any more than Democrats do. They just like to use ridiculous things like that to trip-up Democrats.

[EFerrari]

4. Not to mention, lapel pins are one of the urgent issues of our day!

lol

[cornermouse]

6. Lapel pins are a secret signal for republicans.

It's like "Meet me at Che PNAC Restaurant at noon. I'll be sitting in the corner with an American flag pin on my lapel, wearing Gucci loafers, and singing God Bless America with one hand over my heart and the other saluting the picture of Ronnie and Cheney arm in arm over the fireplace."

[merh]

5. yeah, lapel pins

shame hillary and the moderators weren't wearing one or that hillary wasn't asked to explain why she doesn't wear one.



Guess they forgot to ask her about the Columbia trade deal and bill's $800,000.00 and Penn.

Or about her position on torture and the extraordinary renditions that bill started.

The GOP tactics have been hillary's and she has aligned herself with those who are the VRW smear mongers like Sciafe and even Rove, who endorsed her.

[cornermouse]

7. If Hillary was a republican she'd have worn her flag lapel pin

I see a picture of two democrats. Neither of them evil. Just two democrats fighting hard to get the nomination and in Hillary's case taking a lot of abuse along the way. Obama's gotten some too but not nearly as much or as vitriolic and poisonous as what Hillary has had to endure. I don't consider this election to be a proud and shining moment for the democratic party for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual candidates.

[merh]

8. Bullshit

Tell me what has Hillary had to endure, let's break it down and compare.

Tell me what has Hillary had to contend with that she did not cause.

I'm sick of this victim shit - damn it to hell, a feminist must stand up and be equal to be considered an equal and playing the victim does not do that.

So you and me, right here, let's compare.

[cornermouse]

13. Actually, I think you're already proved my point.

Here and elsewhere.

[merh]

14. LOL, so you can't back it up and you take cheap shots.

Not surprising because you cannot back up your statements, there is nothing that has happened to hillary that she hasn't caused herself, either through her poor judgment as to who to associate with and/or who she allows to speak for her, or, through her own words and predictions and expectations and lies and her total failures.

Come on now, be serious, prove what you allege, back it up. Let's compare.

What has she had to contend with?

And I give you the words of Elizabeth Edwards, the feminist that truly is a feminist and that spoke honestly about the games hillary plays that folks like you encourage and support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzRQxxldBvk

[cornermouse]

16. Merh.

I've seen your other posts. You and others here on DU have illustrated that hatred of Hillary very thoroughly throughout the primary here on DU. The party of tolerance is in danger of becoming every bit as intolerant as the republicans. I find that really sad.

[merh]

17. It is not hatred of Hillary

It is disgust with the way she has run her campaign, that she has thrown fellow dems under the bus and that all that matters is her win, not the party and not the nation. The party is becoming intolerant because of hillary, not anyone else,

She spews the negatives, takes her cues from Rove and aligns with those that have spent millions and years trying to destroy the party. She focuses on the petty and the divisive and then threatens those that oppose her or she turns on them and calls them names and throws them under the bus.

And the fake outrage and bullshit feminism is for the birds.

If she wants to be an equal then she must be her own person.

Again, post your facts, back up your allegations or just stop with the pathetic victim crap.