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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:31 PM
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Superdelegates Unswayed by Clinton’s Attacks -- Uncommitted SDs tired of focus on gaffes (NYT)
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 10:32 PM by jefferson_dem
pril 18, 2008
Superdelegates Unswayed by Clinton’s Attacks
By PATRICK HEALY

Throughout their contentious debate on Wednesday, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton tried again and again to put Senator Barack Obama on the defensive in a pointed effort, her advisers say, to raise doubts about his electability among a small but powerful audience: the uncommitted superdelegates who will most likely determine the nomination.

But although Mrs. Clinton gave it her best shot in what might have been their final debate, interviews on Thursday with a cross-section of these superdelegates — members of Congress, elected officials and party leaders — showed that none had been persuaded much by her attacks on Mr. Obama’s strength as a potential Democratic nominee, his recent gaffes and his relationships with his former pastor and with a onetime member of the Weather Underground.

In fact, the Obama campaign announced endorsements from two more superdelegates on Thursday, after rolling out three on Wednesday and two others since late last week in what appeared to be an orchestrated show of strength before Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary. Obama advisers said that one of the pickups on Thursday, Councilman Harry Thomas Jr. of the District of Columbia, had initially favored Mrs. Clinton, but Clinton advisers denied that, and a Thomas aide said he had been neutral before Thursday.

In interviews, 15 uncommitted superdelegates said they did not believe that recent gaffes by both candidates would carry any particular influence over their final decision. They said they had particularly tired of all the attention, by the Clinton campaign and the news media, on Mr. Obama’s recent comment that some Americans were “bitter” over the economy and chose to “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a result.

And if there were some moments of concern reflected in the debate — the talk of Mrs. Clinton’s high unfavorability ratings, Mr. Obama’s flashes of annoyance — they all doubted that those moments would be deal-breakers, either. Instead, most of the superdelegates said they wanted to wait for the results of at least the next major primaries — in Pennsylvania on Tuesday and Indiana and North Carolina two weeks later — before choosing a candidate.

“I feel like we’ve heard a lot about gaffes as they relate to electability, but what really matters to people is how to deal with the economy and create jobs,” said John W. Olsen, an uncommitted superdelegate from Connecticut and president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O. there. “I also want to wait and hear from all of the Democrats in the primaries and caucuses who haven’t had a chance to choose and vote yet.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/us/politics/18dems.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:34 PM
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1. Hmm I figured that many would want to wait for May 7
I think that Obama can win both states if he keeps up the great effort!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:36 PM
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2. This contradicts the title of the article:
In fact, the Obama campaign announced endorsements from two more superdelegates on Thursday, after rolling out three on Wednesday and two others since late last week in what appeared to be an orchestrated show of strength before Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary. Obama advisers said that one of the pickups on Thursday, Councilman Harry Thomas Jr. of the District of Columbia, had initially favored Mrs. Clinton, but Clinton advisers denied that, and a Thomas aide said he had been neutral before Thursday.


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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:40 PM
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3. And this contradicts what you quoted:
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 10:40 PM by Spider Jerusalem
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - A D.C. Council member and unpledged Democratic delegate has withdrawn his prominent public support for Sen. Hillary Clinton, preferring instead to be listed as undecided in the race for the nomination.

Ward 5 D.C. Councilman Harry Thomas Jr. was elected last week by the D.C. Democratic State Committee as a delegate to the national convention. Thomas, who had previously endorsed Clinton, was listed as a Clinton backer on a delegate spreadsheet circulated Monday by the committee.

But by the end of the day, the party had retracted that announcement, and Thomas was switched to simply “unpledged.”

“He wants to confer with the party,” said Vicky Leonard-Chambers, Thomas’ spokeswoman.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1326716~D_C__councilman_no_longer_member_of_Clinton_camp.html
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:44 PM
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5. The article you have is from April 8th
He made his decision last night to Obama
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:47 PM
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7. Good catch. n/t
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:50 PM
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9. here is an article from today
April 17, 2008
And A DC Super D Flips For Obama
Per The Washington Post ...

Council member and newly elected superdelegate Harry Thomas Jr., initially a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, is announcing in minutes that he will cast his vote at the Democratic National Convention in Denver for Sen. Barack Obama.

Thomas received more than 100 phone calls and e-mails from constituents who feared that he would use his power as a superdelegate to vote for Clinton despite the city's overwhelming support of Obama in the Potomac Primary.

"After meeting with the candidates and listening to my constituents, I have to honor the 83 percent who support Barack Obama," he said in an interview, referring to the results of the Democratic primary..

That makes four Super Ds in 48 hours to declare for Obama.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/and_a_dc_super.html


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:46 PM
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6. No it doesn't. There are four other superdelegates mentioned in the paragraph cited. n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:49 PM
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8. Actually, it does...
because what you quoted says he was 'neutral'; what I posted says he was 'a Clinton supporter'.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:55 PM
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10. OK, have it your way...
ignore the other four superdelegates.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:40 PM
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4. The steelworkers union wants another debate, but this time they want to ask the questions!
The guy on Ed Schultz' radio program said it was probably too late to get it together before Pennsylvania, but he said Indiana has more steel workers and they want some questions of theirs answered!

And not about what Reverend Wright said either!
Or about lapel flag pins.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:08 PM
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11. yes....maybe they can ask about the Colombian Trade deal
this time.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:50 AM
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13. He's going to be back on Ed's program again today.
Considering the fact that Hillary didn't even talk about job creation in that debate, they want to hear her give an answer how she intends to "fix" the economy without creating new jobs in that area, now that she has helped sell out the steel and iron industries overseas.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:13 PM
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12. The best part of that NYT article was this.
"Since Feb. 5, Senator Obama has garnered the support of 80 superdelegates to Senator Clinton's 5."

Obama is cleaning up with the supers. If Clinton thinks she can pull this out with the support of the supers, she had better think again.
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