ABC "flag pin" voter discussed same issue in NYT on April 4th

[BattyDem]

Thanks to Condem, who recognized her and mentioned it in this thread.

I did the Google thing and I found the article Condem was talking about. Her name is Nash McCabe.

Caption from the NY Times photo:
"How can I vote for a president who won’t wear a flag pin?" NASH McCABE, unemployed clerk-typist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/politics/04penn.html




ABC transcript:
"And, Senator Obama, I want to do one more question, which goes to the basic issue of electability. And it is a question raised by a voter in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, a woman by the name of Nash McCabe."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2




There are over 12 million people in PA yet two major news outlets managed to "stumble upon" the same woman. There's no way that's a coincidence. ABC went looking for her. They WANTED that question!


Edited to add photos. Thanks to Ichingcarpenter for finding the photos. :-)

[Stephanie]

1. Did ABC deliberately SEEK HER OUT?

They need to answer this question immediately.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Yeah....her and Hannity.......

I'm surprised they didn't all wear their flag pins, including Hillary, as to really ambush Barack!

[BlooInBloo]

4. With the full support of Clinton supporters.

[guruoo]

Not exactly.

[sansatman]

175. About that flag-pin question…

So Nash McCabe wasn’t located at random at all. Instead, someone at ABC News decided that they wanted to go after Obama on the patriotism issue, and they actively sought a Pennsylvanian who they knew wanted to bring it up. I assume they thought it would sound better if “a typical voter” asked the question instead of Charlie Gibson. “You see, we’re only raising the issue the voters really care about,” they can claim.


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15249.html

[guruoo]

184. Yes, it certainly appears that way.

[LiberalFighter]

151. Amazing how the woman compaling about the flag pin doesn't wear one herself.

Personally, I don't support Obama but wearing the flag pin a criteria to be a candidate?

Candidates especially Democrats need to say wearing a flag pin doesn't make one an American.

[Bozita]

6. What are the odds of running across her at random?

Pretty fucking slim.

ABC News, you've got some answering to do.

[Alii]

85. The odds?

Odds? I'm going to win the Mega Millions lotto on Friday.

Someone should get this to Keith Olbermann or Dan Abrams.

Shills for Shillary.

[singilarpoint]

131. I'm all but sure Olbermann will cover this..

[Bjorn Against]

152. Especially when it appears they "ran into her" inside her house...

Usually camera crews don't just randomly enter people's houses and tell them to ask a question, they obviously had pre-made arrangements.

[Warren DeMontague]

160. Ballpark? I'd say about 1 in 300,000,000.

[calimary]

91. I'm not surprised. She reeked of deliberate plant.

This was just so completely disingenuous - the whole debate. Just an utter disgrace!!!!!

Anybody care to ask about the shallow, manufactured, more-patriotic-than-thou drive to wear cheap-ass, Made-in-China flag pins to prove to the moron contingent that we're sufficiently loyal Americans?

:eyes: :banghead:

[jgraz]

3. I'll bet you anything this was a Clinton plant

[SoonerPride]

5. She's unemployed and flag pins are her number one concern?

Not the economy or healthcare?

She deserves W.

[mcctatas]

10. She just needs to get bitter!

:evilgrin:

[Divine Discontent]

83. exactly!

she's just not bitter enough in realizing the corporate govt we have is not working for our interest at all.

I'm actually shocked they were stupid enough to use her as the person asking the question, but then again, perhaps no one else has agreed to be on TV asking such a bullshit question, albeit one that gets sent around the net in mass forwards - I feel those people wouldn't vote for Obama anyhow!

[Warren DeMontague]

162. No, she needs a fucking brain transplant.

I don't think modern medicine can help her.

[Bozita]

12. not exactly Mensa material, eh?

[ashling]

146. Elitist!

why do you hate America...n flag pins?
:rofl:

[burythehatchet]

24. as an elitist, I wanted to throw my latte on her face

[Cha]

70. Maybe that would wake her up.

:evilgrin: Nance wrote an essay today about just such a scenario.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5556558

[high density]

98. She sounds like the standard W voter

Unemployed and voting for things like tax cuts she'll never see or 'protection' from terrorists that will never attack her.

[file83]

107. But...but...but...the FLAG PIN!!!

All excellent points, high density. :hi:

[Cant trust em]

137. I think it's hilarious that the people most likely to vote out of fear of terrorist attacks

are the least likely to get attacked. I knew a guy who worked in homeland security. He told me that if you don't live in NYC or DC, then you're probably OK.

[Coexist]

115. that was my first thought.

also, the only time I held the odd title of clerk/typist was when I worked for the Defense Department.

[Muttocracy]

168. definitely a civil-service term (have seen it for local govmt) nt

[dchill]

140. That alone should answer her question,

"How can I vote for a president who won’t wear a flag pin?"

:shrug:

[Sequoia]

145. So where the heck is her dopey flag pin?

[earthlover]

149. Excellent point! Also, neither moderator nor Hillary was wearing one either!

So...let's back track a bit....ABC (Always Believing Clinton) had hundreds of possible questions to ask during the debate about a host of topics. A lot got shoved aside because they didn't have time for them. But the questions about the dopey flag pin made the cut? And Hillary got a bye from the question in spite of her not wearing one either? This is stupid beyond belief!

[howmad1]

155. Someone ought to tell this "honey'.......

...... that a wearing a flag pin is secret code for "fuck you, America". Notice, the majority of rethuglicans wear flag pins. I rest my case.

[meow mix]

7. wtf K&R

:wow:

[wndycty]

8. You know if she is still unemployed she proves Obama San Francisco point. . .

. . .she unemployed yet she is worried about whether or not he wears a flag pin.

[BattyDem]

11. Exactly!

:toast:

[SoonerPride]

28. She is a sad reflection of the divisive nature of American politics.

Ignoring economic issues which affect her life and obsessing on minutae.

Pathetic and typical.

[MidwestTransplant]

45. She probably got fired for being an idiot.

[Blue_Roses]

54. bingo

...and well, never mind...I don't want to personally insult the "lady" who's unemployed but is still eating OUT!

[Alii]

84. Bill picked up the tab...

[TahitiNut]

77. You got it.

Funny how so many can't just seem to grasp it, even with tongs. :eyes:

[Tatiana]

150. Exactly. Proves Obama's point.

:toast:

[Olney Blue]

180. She clings to God, guns, and flag pins.

[george_maniakes]

9. I wonder if this has enough juice to sell for the other networks....

"Our competition is full of shit." It will surely be tempting for NBC/CBS to throw this out there, after all the debate is already being widely panned.

[JimGinPA]

13. What A Great Catch!

This needs to get screamed until someone runs with it.

K&R

[BattyDem]

16. Condem caught it ... I just followed up on it

DUer teamwork makes anything possible! :D

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. Photo from NY times and the debate

I'll have to search a little, to pull the one from the video feed from last night.

[Stephanie]

20. She's unemployed but she's eating out.

Who's picking up the tab for that tuna on toast?

[Stephanie]

22. Please add this photo to your OP, BattyDem

rightclick and copy URL and paste in your OP. I will look for debate photo.

[Stephanie]

25. Here she is - other bloggers are already on this >

http://drexeldemocrats.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-nash-mccabe.html

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. I have updated my photos now for both

[BattyDem]

32. That's good news!

I should have known "the internets" were already on top of the matter. :-)

[Ichingcarpenter]

62. You are welcome.. Great Find BTW!!! n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

15. Sweet Jesus, Nash is a fucking moron.

"How can I vote for a president who won’t wear a flag pin?" NASH McCABE, unemployed clerk-typist.

Keep worrying about flag pins, you mental midget.

[Cali_Democrat]

21. LOL

What a dingbat!! She's exactly what's wrong with some American voters. Concerns about flag pins made in China outweigh concerns over our collapsing economy and the war in Iraq.

[japple]

165. No, what's wrong is that some americans are so

desperate they will sell their souls and or/vote to a network for a little bit of cash and 15 minutes of fame. Or, in the case of this woman, a grilled cheese sandwich. (They probably paid for the husband's club sandwich, too.)

[progressoid]

29. Reason for being unemployed: "Fucking Moron"

:spray:

[TahitiNut]

78. Well, Hillary's "training and education" solution to unemployment is probably too late for her.

:puke:

[Kolesar]

116. Ffffft!

:spray:

[K8-EEE]

123. LOL!!!

No kidding!!

I wonder if she put that on the unemployment form....I'm a fucking idiot and professional Flag Pin Worrier. But only for one candidate.

[Olney Blue]

181. Her resume on Monster.com: Master debater on flag pin issues.

[bluestateguy]

17. I'm getting real close to favoring intelligence tests as a requirement for voting

I'm not there yet, but I'm getting there.

[Muttocracy]

26. agreed - been trying to think how that would work

I think about how new citizens have to pass tests about our government that most of our adult citizens probably couldn't pass...

I don't want there to be discrimination to keep people from voting, but I want some way to screen out the people who vote based on "that name sounds familiar" or "in theory, though I never will, I'd enjoy drinking a beer with them". Sigh.

[The Wizard]

142. Nietzsche was right

And she probably drives a car at high speed on our roads.
I think her question was "Do you believe in the American flag?" So she's crossed the line into the nationalism/religion realm. Believing in symbols not connected to Jesus is pagan idolatry.
ABC has jumped the shark.

[hisownpetard]

148. Saying "Do you believe in the flag?" is like saying "Do you believe in seersucker?"

The flag is a piece of material, on a pole. It does not require users to believe in it.

It's a "symbol," Nash Rambler, not to be confused with "cymbals," between which I'd like to repeatedly clap your ugly head.

[Irishonly]

18. Have you sent it to Olbermann

Great research and great catch. It should be exposed and I think Olbermann would be the only one to do it. We live in the real world not the Twilight Zone.

[Muttocracy]

30. I think this should definitely be pointed out to the other media

even the NY Times might be curious about it. Someone could post to their comments section if nothing else (I think they're moderated so things get read and screend).

The other networks are having a blast dissing ABC (KO tonight - it's not THAT hard to be a moderator).

[Irishonly]

74. It should

I hope the MSM will pick it up. Air America and other liberal radio networks may be interested also.

[ampad]

19. Not trying to be a smartass

but I thought it was obvious that they sought this woman out. It's nice to have solid proof though.

[wndycty]

23. You know Jon Stewart went after her hard tonight. . .

. . .he would love this.

[City Lights]

99. Agreed. And his bit on her was Hillaryous.

:rofl:

[Muttocracy]

31. Drexel Dems have a post about it:

Google gave me:

http://drexeldemocrats.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-nash-mccabe.html

But I still agree you and Condem should send this around to KO, Colbert, Stewart, etc.

[Muttocracy]

33. and here she explains why Barack annoys her (too calm, too successful, not patriotic enough)

:eyes:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/34071.html

She thinks Clinton has struggled more than Obama - more like her. I'm sorry, which one knows about being on food stamps like her???

[SoonerPride]

34. The word she's looking for is

"Uppity."

Just another racist.

Nothin' new there.

[Muttocracy]

35. yep, didn't earn his fancy place. ugh. nt

[sinkingfeeling]

136. Nash has had a pretty rough life since 1983. I'll give her credit that at least she's not

supporting McCain and appears to be a Democratic voter. Surely she recognizes that without Democrats, she and her husband would be in even worse condition.

[susanwy]

156. oh come on...

As a former Biden supporter I have to call you on this....

From Time article written by Joe Klein in 2006 interview with Obama:

"For example, I was going to a fancy prep school, and my mother was on food stamps while she was getting her Ph.D." That is his own words, not some right-wing or Clinton lie.

Hardly the same experience as this woman!

I was on food stamps when I first went back to college for about a year (my husband worked at Wal-mart - rat bastards - and we had a new baby). The welfare "reform" passed by Bill Clinton was ludicrous to take that benefit away from people seeking a UNDER-GRADUATE degree full-time. God forbid we move people from welfare to work with an education. But, on food stamps while getting a PHD! And, BTW, the prep school Obama attended was in Hawaii, while he was living with his grand parents. So, she was on food stamps and Obama wasn't even living with her full time, pathetic. But, he doesn't mention that in his stump speeches. Exactly the kind of people cited as the need for welfare reform, which ended up screwing people trying to get an associates or bachelor degree so the didn't have to work at Wal-mart.

I don't support Obama or Clinton (but I'll vote democratic in the election no matter what), but give this woman a break. Biden would, and he would probably hope his former supporters had their facts straight before spouting off and attacking some poor barely middle class woman. I always loved the way he made everyone feel equal, regardless of their education, beliefs or background. I sure as hell don't see that in Obama or his supporters. If we don't care for his politics, were just a bunch of dumb racists (I even saw that said directly in this thread). It amazes me that Obama's supporters would go after this woman with such vitriol, where is your compassion? So, she is patriotic, big deal. I wouldn't base my vote on a flag pin either, but I'm not going to attack a possible democratic voter because it means something to them. Elitist indeed. Maybe she has family serving or lost in Iraq/Afghanistan, or maybe she just grew up in a generation that had a different view of the flag and patriotism. And it is her right to identify with whom she chooses, it isn't for us to decide whom she feels can relate better to her life. So judgmental.....

Blame the stupid question on ABC, and blame them if the sought her out, don't attack this woman.

Grow up....

:spank:

[susanwy]

157. Should be

"...an UNDER-GRADUATE degree...", and "... so they didn't have to work at "...least I get nailed for having a college education and bad grammar. Damn those cracker crumbs under my keyboard!

[Muttocracy]

167. sorry I offended you but I think you misinterpreted what I meant

Not that her experience was like Obama's, but that she argued that *Clinton's* experience was more like hers than Obama.

If you think Nash is patriotic, then we have such vastly different views of patriotism that we're going to talk right past each other.

I don't claim to be Biden's spokesperson and I'm pretty sure he's not losing any sleep over what I write on an internet discussion board. I also seriously doubt Nash is reading DU and crying about it.

[susanwy]

186. you did not offend

But you are judging this woman on who's experience she identifies with and I would argue she has nothing in common with either candidate. Obama's so called experience with living on food stamps is nothing compared to this womans life. Perhaps she identifies more with Hillary because, like Hillary, she has worked hard to keep her family together, or identifies with Hillary because Bill has had recent heart problems. She says herself she thinks Hillary is a hard worker, and I really can't argue with that. Who knows, but certainly she has no more reason to identify with Obama than with Hillary. Neither candidate really knows what its like to live truly underprivileged in this country.

In fact, I admire Hillary for going into the Senate where the same republicans who tried to impeach her husband now respect her and her work ethic. I don't see that kind of respect for Obama from the Senate, in fact I would argue that most of his fellow Senators just think he used the office as a stepping stone. Biden certainly paid his dues and deserved a lot more respect and attention from the MSM the he got.

Nash's ideas of patriotism are not mine, but I'm not going to judge her. If were are going to defend peoples right to use the flag as a sign of distress or protest, for example, then that applies equally to those who see the use of the flag as a way to support their country. The right cuts both ways. To belittle it is to disrespect her rights to support her country as she wishes.

No, your obviously not Biden's sopkesperson and no, he hasn't lost sleep over internet discussion boards. But, maybe Nash does have a computer, maybe she does pay attention, do you really think you know this woman that well from a one minute sound bite question or a snippet in a NY Times article? None of us really know who sits behind these keyboards. But, my point was Biden would never be happy if his supporters attacked this woman the way the Obama people have viciously attacked her on this thread. Its disgusting, another reason I just can't warm up to his campaign, his supporters don't inspire Hope or Unity in me.

I don't think Hillary or Obama can win and we are screwed. I think we will have McLame for another four years.

[Muttocracy]

170. and as to the race issue, read the original article and complain to the NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/politics/04penn.html

In Ex-Steel City, Voters Deny Race Plays a Role = title of the article

"...But when dismissing Mr. Obama, voters in this former steel center, whatever their racial feelings, seem almost compelled to list their reasons, if only to pre-empt the unspoken race question...."

[susanwy]

187. its a asinine article

Because the implication is that the "reasons" voters in the area aren't hot on Obama is because they refuse to acknowledge their own under lying raciest feelings. Frankly that is bullshit and is just as condescending as this thread!

Are there some who won't vote for Obama because he is black? Of course. Would they admit it to a reporter? I doubt it. But that does not mean every white person who won't vote for Obama is doing it because they are racists at heart. Many of the reasons cited in that article are legitimate:

"Because he voted “present” too often as an Illinois state senator. Because he speaks very well, but has not talked about reviving the coal industry. Because he would not command the respect of the military. Because there is something unsettling about his perfect calm, they say."

The same is true for Hillary. Are there some who won't vote for her because she is a woman? Of course, but they wouldn't admit it to a reporter either. But that doesn't make everyone who won't vote for her a sexist.

And really, what is wrong with not voting for him because you "have a feeling" about him. How many people won't vote for Hillary because the hate her. Last I checked, hate is a feeling. The difference, we know a lot of stuff to hate about Hillary, but with Obama we don't know much, but maybe his lack of substance or experience makes us nervous (another feeling). Neither position is racist or sexist, but perhaps uninformed (as is most of the electorate). BTW - it is the MSM that feeds the racist/sexist crap because it drives ratings and makes them money.

Anyway, no offense taken.

[progressoid]

36. Hey Nash, where is YOUR pin?

And shouldn't you be wearing one of these sweaters instead...

[Muttocracy]

39. and Gibson and Steph and Clinton too!

I liked it a while back when someone suggested Obama make an appearance in an Uncle Sam suit (stripes, top hat, etc.)

[SoonerPride]

42. Don't forget McLame, he doesn't wear the fucking bling either.

Lamest.
Fucking.
Issue.
Ever.

[progressoid]

58. Or like this doofus?

[Muttocracy]

60. !

:scared:

[Scurrilous]

37. K & R

:thumbsup:

[AllentownJake]

38. This debate was sad

I hate it when the idiots in my state are shown on TV...makes me cringe from being from here.

[SoonerPride]

41. Good thing you're not from Oklahoma. I've got Coburn and Inhoffe to bear.

At least our college football team is good (until bowls games)

[AllentownJake]

43. I feel your pain

I had Santorum for 12 years.

[SoonerPride]

44. Man on dog!

Yep, we get some real winners as our congresscritters, huh?

[AllentownJake]

48. Crazy Senators

Where do we find these people? Seriously?

[splat]

40. This is how news orgs find sources all the time -- put the tinfoil hats away

You've seen bloggers write that they appear in one story, then all the other reporters call them. Same thing. New to you, maybe, but SOP.

[BattyDem]

47. So there's no actual effort involved. Whenever they need a source ...

they just scan the other media outlets and poach theirs. Doing their own legwork is just too much for them. Who needs diversity of opinion when you can have SOP? :-(

I wonder if there are any real reporters left in the MSM? :shrug:

[Stephanie]

49. If that's the issue they want to push, then yes.

The question is why did they deliberately seek out this woman to ask the same question she'd already posed.

[merh]

53. They misrepresented their source

the did not identify her as someone who had given a NYT interview, they made it appear as if she was "jane on the street"

Violation of the Journalism Code of Ethics
— Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

Of course, if you go through the code of ethics, you will find multiple violations.

Saying "they do it all the time" doesn't make it ethical.

[Downtown Hound]

117. Um, I've worked in news orgs, ABC actually

And they don't go seeking out sources like that on stupid questions that have no bearing on the issues that effect the country unless they have an agenda. Put your rationalization away. It was a calculated, disgusting attempt to smear his patriotism by appealing to the lowest common denominator of nationalism.

[Stephanie]

46. Wow, she's even wearing the same outfit!

Didn't notice til you posted the photos side by side.

[SoonerPride]

50. Look at the neckline. Hard to believe, but they are not the same top.

Both are equally, um, common.

[splat]

52. You think her clothing 'common'? She feels dressed up, and would be hurt by your judgment

[ampad]

59. How do you know she feels dressed up?

Just wondering?

[splat]

63. Because people try to look their best when they're going to be on TV. D'oh

[ampad]

72. No need to be rude

It is your opinion that she dressed up but you try to state it as if it were some important fact. One could say she dressed down considering she is wearing the same shirt to eat lunch at a diner. I was just curios because you act as if you know the woman commenting on how she would be hurt if she thought people looked at her outfit as "common."

I wonder where her flag lapel pin is since she is so concern with patriotism and all.

[SoonerPride]

64. Cause she wore a top on nationwide TV with a picture of a horse and barn on it

And wears that exact same type top when she goes down to the Griddle Stack and orders Tuna on Wheat Toast with a Diet Pepsi.

It's what she wears when she's heading out on the town, all gussied up.

To me they look like pajamas......... the clothing choice of the terminally unemployed who have given up shaving.










eh, I'm a bitter elitist snob. Sorry. Oh, and I'm gay, so I wouldn't be caught dead in something so pedestrian. So sue me.

[splat]

69. You want a formal gown in Latrobe, Penn?

It's the kind of sweater people get for Christmas.

[ampad]

73. LOL

I guess elitist snob think alike because I was wondering what was so dressed up about that shirt. Now that you mention it they do look like PJ's.

[splat]

76. Fleecy sweaters are big in cold rural areas, and patterns make them dressy

[2rth2pwr]

51. If Obama would have just answered her the first time....

[Glimmer of Hope]

161. Lol!!!

[NewHampshireDem]

55. How f-ing stupid do they think we are?

I mean, seriously?

Can I say some stupid shit in the NYT so that I can be on TV being stupid? Please? Pretty please?

'How can I vote for someone who doesn't drink orange juice? Senator Obama, why do you hate Florida? Is it because you hate all the seniors who retire there, or because you hate Cuban-Americans?'

See, I can be teh stoopid too!

[Zachstar]

86. Well ABC is being exposed for this sham of a debate so hopefully they will change their view.

[pettypace]

56. Hope she's not a Democrat

reflects poorly on the party, ya think?

[blogslut]

57. Here's what made her question ridiculous

She pointed out that soldiers, policemen and firefighters wear the flag. Well, duh, lady. The flag is part of their uniforms. Wearing flag has nothing to do with their personal choice - it is part of the job.

It was a bullshit question asked by a woman that would rather lash out on petty details than take a good look at why she is currently unemployed.

[Blue_Roses]

114. lol...

so true...:rofl:

[malik flavors]

61. Damn. Good job Sherlock. That's a nice find.

[FrenchieCat]

65. Shouldn't this get sent over to TPM ?

Here's his TIP email address.

[e-mail]

Also someone "trusted" over at the Huffington Post. Contact page for scoops: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/contact/

[nichomachus]

66. Is this dame for real? No wonder the country is in the toilet -- with braindead voters like that.

Apparently, this is why the right-wing loved Terri Schiavo -- she was their base.

[SoonerPride]

68. We get the government we deserve.

I deserve better and am willing to fight people like Nash McCabe to get it.

[Blue_Roses]

67. wow

:wow:

K&R :kick:

[Frank Booth]

71. Personally, I don't trust anyone who doesn't wear a flag pin. And Nash McCabe ain't wearing one.

Throw this anti-American strumpet to the wolves!

[Quixote1818]

103. Yep! She is clearly a commie pig! nt

[Kittycat]

75. Did anyone send this to KO?

[Stephanie]

79. everybody should send it

the more the better

[Ichingcarpenter]

80. Kick, nominated and thanks.... n/t

[Arrowhead2k1]

81. She's just some fucking kook!

Who thinks Obama is un-American. They let her ilk in a prime-time debate. Disgusting!

[Quixote1818]

104. She looks like someone who would join Amway and vote Republican.

I bet she isn't even a Democrat. She looks just like my insane sister in-law who loves Bush.

[brentspeak]

154. According to the article, she doesn't like Bush or McCain

McCabe sympathizes with working-class people who got in over their heads during the housing boom. She opposes the Iraq war and thinks President Bush has hurt the country. She doesn't support Republican John McCain because he's too close to Bush.

On paper, her stances make her as likely to support Obama as Clinton.

But she sees a difference between the two. In Clinton, she sees someone who has struggled for years, just like her, and has earned the right to be president. In Obama, she sees someone who rose like a rocket, always has a smooth explanation for everything — whether it's about his former preacher or the flag pin — and who makes it all look too easy.

"That's what upsets me about Barack Obama," she says. "He takes everything so nonchalantly."

[Zachstar]

82. The whole debate was a sham. A total pos I am glad it is being exposed,

[lapfog_1]

87. Two points.

1. I see two photos of her here... and in neither is she wearing a flag pin.

2. She is proof of Obama's comment on people hurting because of our economy, an economy that is now in large part shaped by federal government policies of the last 27 years, who is making a "guns, god, gays and patriotism" evaluation of a candidates, almost as if she is "clinging" to those issues rather than talk about what's really important.

[FrenchieCat]

88. How does one person get noticed so much......

and gets that kind of time with the media.

While the rest of us don't get that.

Is she some kind of an elite? I'm starting to think so.

[JimGinPA]

95. It Was An Obvious Set Up...

It's looking more & more like this whole "debate" was a set up.

[democracy1st]

89. thanks

[Jensen]

90. This should be sent to every news media including ABC !

[TragedyandHope]

92. "I am not questioning your patriotism, but..."

I am questioning your patriotism.



Nash McCabe: The rest of the story

[Muttocracy]

169. thanks for that news link. nt

[ecdab]

93. How FOX like of ABC is that. n/t

[ima_sinnic]

94. so I guess she won't be voting for Clinton, either

gee, that's such an important criterion for a choice of candidate. there should be at least a basic intelligence test before someone is allowed to vote. Or someone should start the Moron Party, so people like this DUMBASS have someone to vote for.

[FrenchieCat]

96. Morning kick!

[City Lights]

97. "How can I vote for a president who won't wear a flag pin?"

OMFG, sweetie, NONE of them wear one! Not Obama. Not Clinton. Not McCain. Poor widdle thing, wha'cha gonna do?

:rofl:

Nash, honey, you are an example of what's wrong with America! Seek help, sweetie, you need it! Flag pins don't put food on the table. Flag pins don't provide health care. Flag pins won't bring our troops home. Flag pins won't pull the economy out of the shitter. Flag pins won't save the housing crisis. Flag pins won't save the Earth.

GET A FeCKING CLUE!

And to _abc: go cheney yourselves for seeking this wacko out and giving her more airtime!

[PassingFair]

100. And those flag decals won't get them into heaven, either...

While digesting Reader’s Digest
In the back of a dirty book store
A plastic flag with gum on the back
Fell out on the floor.
Well,I picked it up and ran outside
And slapped it on my windowshield.
And If I could see ol’ Betsy Ross
I’d tell her how good I feel.

(Chorus:)
But, you flag decal won’t get you
Into Heaven anymore.
They’re already overcrowded
From your dirty little war
Now Jesus don’t like Killin’
No matter what the reasons for.
And your flag decal won’t get you into Heaven anymore.

Well,I went to the Bank this morning
And the cashier said to me
If you join the Christmas Club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free.
I didn’t mess a round a bit
I took him up on what he said
And stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife’s forehead.

(Chorus:)
But, you flag decal won’t get you
Into Heaven anymore.
They’re already overcrowded
From your dirty little war
Now Jesus don’t like Killin’
No matter what the reasons for.
And your flag decal won’t get you into Heaven anymore.

Well,I got my windshield so filled with flags I couldn’t see
So I ran my car upside a curb and right into a tree
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead,
And I’ll never understand
Why the man,
Standing in the Pearly Gates said…

(Chorus:)
But your flag decal won’t get you into Heaven anymore,
We’re already overcrowded from your dirty little war
Now Jesus don’t like killin’
No matter what the reasons for.
And your flag decal won’t get you into Heaven anymore.



Thank you, John Prine!

[Muttocracy]

171. :)

[NorthCarolina]

101. I could be wrong, but based on that first pic of her and her friend

across the table, it seems to me she might be better served worrying about LGBT rights than flag pins.

[mainer]

126. Haha, I see what you mean.

Were I to see them in a coffee shop, I would've thought the same thing.

[Muttocracy]

172. insulting to LGBT! :-< nt

[NorthCarolina]

174. I am gay so I think I'm qualified to point out that observation

The fact is that pic set off my "Gaydar"...sorry if that offends you, or anyone, as it certainly wasn't my intention to be "insulting" since I really don't think being gay is an "insulting" thing.

[Muttocracy]

176. no, being gay isn't insulting - being like HER is ;-) nt

[NorthCarolina]

177. Ah, ok I thought you were implying it was my observation that was insulting....

maybe if I keep doing this enough I'll catch on. :hi:

[Muttocracy]

178. humor doesn't translate so well over email/internet ;)

[Kittycat]

102. bump

[Bonobo]

105. Fraud by ABC is what it is. I hope Olbermann picks this up.

[ecstatic]

106. NASH McCABE, unemployed clerk-typist

What a tool she is.

[Bonobo]

108. Kick. This needs to be exposed.

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

109. Zero integrity = ABC

This is truly disgusting.

[yardwork]

110. This reminds me of the Parlock episode.

The Republican public relations firms find these people and pay them to be shills. The networks go along.

[Aloha Spirit]

111. Seriously, how did I get by before joining DU last week? That NYT piece...Nash McCabe...ridic. n/t

[Kolesar]

112. George Stephanopolous* worked for Pres.Clinton, and Stephanopolous introduced this "video question"

If I recall correctly.

*I was going to call him Staphylococcus, but I wanted my meaning to be clear.

[Bluebear]

113. At last, a voter with their priorities straight!!!!11

:crazy:

[Downtown Hound]

118. That woman is the archetypal dumb American voter

And if I'm being elitist in saying this, then I'm just going to say we need more elitists and less morons. She's unemployed, has medical bills racking up, and all she can think about is a fucking flag pin? Her parents should have used a condom.

[shadowknows69]

119. Something tells me Nash got some spending money for her question

[Scurrilous]

120. Kick

:kick:

[smiley_glad_hands]

121. Maybe she is not really "unemployed".

That or a hard up attention seeker.

[bbgrunt]

122. she's either an operative or an ignorant tool. In either

case, it is obvious that she is trying to get her 5 fleeting moments and I bet she feels really proud of herself and now considers herself a celebrity.

[Froward69]

124. She must not be voting then as

mcSame doesn't wear one either...

[debbierlus]

125. Fuck her, fuck ABC, and fuck this whole waving flags as meaningful

Walk the walk.

[Arugula Latte]

127. Nash is gnashing her teeth over a flag pin ... meanwhile her life is in the toilet

What a pathetic dumbass. "What's The Matter With Pennsylvania?"

[liberal1973]

128. So

that's were they got that fascist bitch.

Why don't ABC question Mcbush's patriotism?

I mean at the time during WW2 Senator Truman had a war profiteering commission. He said that anybody being caught in war profiteering are traitors and had committed treason. I agree with him on that.

So why not question Mcbush's patriotism?

[haymakeragain]

129. I'll admit it, I'm dense and didn't watch the debate, what is the prob?

I don't understand the jist of this post, no worries, I just don't get it. I'm a little slow on the uptake for not having seen the whole debate.

[Kurovski]

130. This is the kind of cluelessness the Ronnie Reagan movement spawned and encouraged.

I'm sure she's very proud, and feels all patriotically dutified, 'n shit.

Someone should check to see if she got any benefits from this. Hotel room, meals, stipend. That would be interesting to know.

[shadowknows69]

133. And if she's getting any state or federal aid I'm sure they'd like to know too.

They're kind of touchy about you earning money while on their dime that way.

[Contrary1]

132. Maybe she should spend more of her spare time seeking employment.

Wait! Maybe she can set up a sweet deal with the Chinese manufacturer of these "patriotic" pins,
and sell them to those of like mind.

[annabanana]

134. I wonder if she got any renumeration for these flag questions?

I mean.. Maybe she's on retainer for this issue..

[Norrin Radd]

135. Your papers, and flag pin, please?

[txaslftist]

138. Wow. That chick she's eating with is really a dog.

[grannylib]

139. Reeks of ringer to me. Hubby and I just stared at each other with our

jaws on the floor after she asked her question...we could NOT believe it.
This is an ISSUE???
Whatever happened to the old Flag Code that FORBADE the flag being used for jewelry??

[kaybea]

141. Yeah, Nash, we should respect the flag like G. Gordon Liddy. . .

wearing a flag speedo to hoist his diseased yambag. That's really patriotic. Really.

[Pacifist Patriot]

143. OMG! I have such a politically incorrect thought running through my mind right now.

It would probably get me tarred feathered flamed and broiled, but oh I so want to say it.

[Kjaereste]

144. Where was Hillary's flag pin?

And since when did we decide that a cheap, made-in-China American flag lapel pin was the determiner of anyone's patriotism? I don't wear my mother's picture on my lapel. Does that mean I don't love my mother?

[defendandprotect]

147. More fake news/debates --- btw, HOW DID OBAMA REPLY . . . ???

[brentspeak]

153. She's not a Republican, though

McCabe sympathizes with working-class people who got in over their heads during the housing boom. She opposes the Iraq war and thinks President Bush has hurt the country. She doesn't support Republican John McCain because he's too close to Bush.

On paper, her stances make her as likely to support Obama as Clinton.

But she sees a difference between the two. In Clinton, she sees someone who has struggled for years, just like her, and has earned the right to be president. In Obama, she sees someone who rose like a rocket, always has a smooth explanation for everything — whether it's about his former preacher or the flag pin — and who makes it all look too easy.

"That's what upsets me about Barack Obama," she says. "He takes everything so nonchalantly."

[sasquatch]

158. "I GOTS NO JOB, I GOTS NO HEALTH CARE, AND I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY FOOT TO TYPE TWO DIUBEETIS-

BUT WEARING A STUPID FUCKING FLAG PIN IS MY HIGHEST PRIORITY!!"
:eyes:
This woman needs to be thinned from the heard.

[workinclasszero]

166. F'in amazing ain't it?

I work with people just like that. The same people voted for Bush twice so he could destroy their jobs, their social security, then start a never ending war for their kids to die in, etc.

By by god President Bush wears a flag pin!!!:eyes:

[scarletwoman]

159. She's a paid operative, an actress. Get over it.

Stop being shocked and chattering about being shocked. I am so sick of the naivite that shows up around DU.

Stop wondering, stop speculating. It's all exactly what too many DUers can barely stand to consider.

What? You think the Clinton branch of the Ruling Class isn't crass enough to pay someone to lay out this horseshit? Are you fucking kidding me?

sw

[eagertolearn]

163. When the going gets tough they cling to their guns, churchs and...

flag lapel pins!

[stevedeshazer]

164. I KNEW it.

The moment I saw that question, I knew she was a plant.

[sce56]

173. The real story here is what else would she or did she ask that ABC did not say about her and her

situation?
From the


McClatchy also took a closer look at McCabe’s circumstances and found a very sad story.

But to understand why Obama rubs McCabe wrong is to go beyond the question of what a flag pin has to do with patriotism — it’s not really about the flag pin, she said in a telephone interview Thursday — and consider McCabe’s life. It’s no Hawaiian prep school and Ivy League story, unlike Obama’s. It’s a slice of working-class Pennsylvania, the core of Hillary Clinton’s support there.

McCabe met her husband, Lloyd, in April 1983 at a dance. They married two months later. Six months after that, she says, he was injured in a coal mine accident. He hasn’t worked since.

They never had children. He had back surgery. The muscle relaxers he took damaged his heart. He’s had three bypasses, nine angioplasties, seven stents and a pacemaker. Three months ago doctors found a brain tumor. His choice: surgery that he may or may not survive, or life in a wheelchair.

Over 25 years of marriage, McCabe was the breadwinner. She said it took eight years to get her husband disability payments, during which time they racked up huge bills.

“I was a nurse’s aide, a cashier,” McCabe said. “From 1996 to 2000, I was a manager of a cleaning company. I started out as secretary and worked my way up to manager, and then the company decided to close. It took me almost two-and-a-half years to find a job that I got laid off from recently” as a clerk-typist. She has a high school diploma.

Ironically, she sounds like one of the frustrated small-town voters Obama has been reaching out to for quite a while.

Perhaps if ABC News had focused a little more on McCabe’s economic circumstances, and a little less on her flag-pin interest, we may have been able to learn something useful in the debate.

It’s worth noting that the original NYT article that quoted McCabe and made her interesting to reporters wasn’t about questioned patriotism; it was about racial attitudes in western Pennsylvania. It led Bunch to conclude:

So, the New York Times is basically stating that many voters are finding odd or vague reasons not to support a candidate who president who happens to be black. And without any thought to the subtext, ABC News plucked one of those reasons and brought it to the center stage of democracy.

To be extra clear, none of this is a criticism of Nash McCabe — my heart goes out to her and her husband, and there is no evidence here that her views on Obama and the flag, which I personally think are misguided, are racially motivated.

Instead, it is yet another indictment of ABC News, which was eager to act is if there’s no racial subtext to this election, other than its question about affirmative action for Obama’s “affluent African-American daughters.” Obama’s been under fire for the last week for suggesting that Rust Belt voters — facing a swirl of feelings about the economy and “people who don’t look like them” — are wooed by wedge issues.

ABC’s contribution to that discussion: Wooing voters with wedge issues.

[Quantess]

179. Honestly...

who gives a shit about flag lapel pins? ABC must think all their viewers are shallow, superficial, and not very bright if they can make people upset about this non-issue.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

182. Pitiful! I pity that woman

However ABC is beyond pitiful,they're a pathetic joke!!

"Eleven million more Americans don’t have healthcare, two million more Americans are out of work, millions of families are facing foreclosure,
the poverty rate has gone up, you are working harder for less, you are paying more for tuition, you’re paying more for groceries, more at the pump,” Obama

I WILL PROUDLY VOTE FOR OBAMA, ON TUESDAY!

[Condem]

183. BattyDem

Thanks for the mention. When I saw her Wednesday night, I thought, too much coincidence. It was the Latrobe thing. I remember thinking at the time, when I read the article, how can anyone this stupid be allowed to vote. Anyhoo, I'm in mourning like hnmnf. A toast to Danny Federici of the E Street Band. You're, indeed, missing.

[NC_Nurse]

185. "Unemployed clerk-typist"

and asshat.

[goletian]

188. lol that bum is an idiot and abc is even more of a piece of shit than i thought

and that was damn near impossible after the debate, lol