OH THE IRONY! Flag pin lady has a husband on disability, tons of medical debt. . .

[wndycty]

. . .borrows money from her 70 year old parents and she cares about a FUCKING FLAG PIN?

Again, her flag pin question reinforces what Obama said in San Francisco I said this in a thread last night when it was exposed that the was previously quoted in a NEW YORK TIMES article that was referenced on DU last night.

She has a ton of potential issues to be concerned about, but she cares about FUCKING FLAG PIN? Replay what Obama said in San Francisco and tell me what he said that was wrong. Hopefully folks won't only look to the McCabe question as a reason to question the press, but they will also look at the McCabe question as proof that what Obama said in San Francisco was right.

Unemployed, husband on disability, medical debt and she cares about whether or no Obama wears a FUCKING FLAG PIN?

SOMEONE, ANYONE, TELL ME HOW A FUCKING FLAG PIN will get this woman a job, get her husband off of disability, pay off her medical debt?

Why woman who grilled Obama finds him annoying

Apr. 17, 2008 04:36 PM
McClatchy Newspapers

-snip-
But to understand why Obama rubs McCabe wrong is to go beyond the question of what a flag pin has to do with patriotism - it's not really about the flag pin, she said in a telephone interview Thursday - and consider McCabe's life. It's no Hawaiian prep school and Ivy League story, unlike Obama's. It's a slice of working-class Pennsylvania, the core of Hillary Clinton's support there.

McCabe met her husband, Lloyd, in April 1983 at a dance. They married two months later. Six months after that, she says, he was injured in a coal mine accident. He hasn't worked since.

They never had children. He had back surgery. The muscle relaxers he took damaged his heart. He's had three bypasses, nine angioplasties, seven stents and a pacemaker. Three months ago doctors found a brain tumor. His choice: surgery that he may or may not survive, or life in a wheelchair.

Over 25 years of marriage, McCabe was the breadwinner. She said it took eight years to get her husband disability payments, during which time they racked up huge bills.
-snip-
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/17/20080417obama-pin0417-ON.html

[City Lights]

1. OMG! All I can say is they haven't hit bottom yet.

:-(

I hope they wake up. Real soon.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. Get your patriotic flag pin - made in China

[kwenu]

81. Oh yes. They've hit bottom. It's just that they are digging a basement now.

[wndycty]

85. No we haven't seen the bottom yet

:kick:

[0007]

2. OMFG!! cough cough! grrrrrrr

[K Gardner]

3. Perfect.. absolutely, ironically, perfect !

[wndycty]

7. How will a FUCKING FLAG PIN improve this lady's life?

:kick:

[JoFerret]

49. Quick. Come see. We have a genuine anthropological specimen

...this woman needs a Clinton economy.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Extremal disrespectful to the target of your hatred. What has she ever done to you?

Shame on you.

[baldguy]

20. What she's done - with the help of the RW media - continue with the asinine distractions.

Her house is burning down, she's worried about the paint job, and she criticizes Obama when he comes around with the fire hose.

Of course the RW media only asks her about the paint job.

[wndycty]

23. Can you paraphrase for me what "ignored" said that you are replying to . . .

:kick:

[baldguy]

26. I:"Extremal disrespectful to the target of your hatred. What has she ever done to you?"

I:"Shame on you."

[wndycty]

27. Thanks. . .tell "ignored" I don't hate this woman. . .I feel sorry for her. . .

. . .all that she has to deal with in life and she focuses on a flag pin. Someone needs to tell her that if she makes her selections based on who can help her as opposed to who wears a flag pin she might be better off.

[baldguy]

28. You've got "ignored" on ignore for good reason.

:hi:

[wndycty]

62. LOL. . .I'm sure I do

:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

35. You could always ask undercoverDUer what I typed, wndycty

:rofl:

[apocalypsehow]

86. Did you even bother to read the OP? Or is this another hit and run post by an HRC booster?

:eyes:

[Obamanaut]

5. Sounds like what she is clinging to is not guns or religion, but

bitterness.

[GoneOffShore]

16. And "Patriotism"

and manufactured outrage over the FUCKING FLAG PIN.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

6. I hope this story gets some legs

It will make ABC look even more foolish for that awful debate, and set light on exactly what Obama is saying about the media focusing on stupid issues rather that ones that actually affect Americans' lives.

[meow mix]

8. K&R She proves Obama's SANFRAN Statement

[wndycty]

9. Exactly, will anybody in the media address that?

:kick:

[Vinca]

10. A sad story, Mrs. McCabe, but what the hell does it have to do with

whether or not Obama wears a fucking flag pin? By the way, he went to the Hawaiian "prep" school on scholarship, having come from a household where food stamps were used. I'm sorry this woman has had such a miserable life, but don't blame it on Obama not wearing a damn flag pin. I'm betting she's a George Bush supporter, anyway.

[wndycty]

12. Exactly, but true irony is the mere fact she asked the question proves Obama's S.F. point

:kick:

[mrcheerful]

11. Believe it or not but there are many like this woman out there

that have it bad yet fail to realize the cause of their hardship and the unknown is so scary to them they focus on the non sense instead of taking a look at what the cause of their woes are. Lets face it, as bad as the repuke party has been and the history of the pukes social injustices performed to benefit those at the top, these people fear so many things they can't see whats in their face. Since 1968 pukes have labaled the dem's as commies, hippies, soft on crime, bleeding heart liberals that want to destroy america by restricting big business. Job loss isn't from corporate greed, cheap labor over sea's or any of the known reasons of the thinking man, nope its because the damn EPA and OSHA laws that the dems put into place, never mind that EPA was started by Nixon, ( remember these people have limited thought process and a complete lack of memory of recent history, hell they forget one story when a new one pops up )the dems restrict big business from profits they so richly deserve. They actually believe that their vote for a puke somehow entitles them from any and all puke doings that cause their problems so they are facing hardships because of a dem gov or congressman. This is the type of thinking we are up against, Reagan said that was so and you can't shake their belief Reagan was a man of the little people. It boggles the mind.

[PA Democrat]

45. I know the area she lives.

Guess who owns the only newspaper in town, and in fact LIVES in that town?

Richard Mellon Scaife. His Tribune Review does a very effective job at manufacturing false outrage on ridiculous issues.

[mrcheerful]

64. I live in the city of Jerry Ford where scamway kings Vanandal and DeVoss rule

it's mind boggling how you go into resturants and here the brain dead speak on the issues. You would think that all of america's problems are democratic failures. In fact you would not know that pukes controled congress for 12 years from what they say.

[LTR]

13. yeah, my life is shit

Can't pay our bills.

The jobs have gone away.

The health benefits are going down while the premiums are going up.

We're gonna lose the house.

I hope cat food's on sale this week.

Yeah, life is hell.

But it's all about the flag pin.

The real problem is Nash McCabe is likely too stupid to hold a job.

[Bigleaf]

14. Is there any chance, any at all..

that the hospital can do a two-for-one deal on the brain surgery. What a fucking dope she is.

From the linked McClatchy article:


She admits that she's more likely to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt while looking for fault in Obama. For example, McCabe says that she once saw Obama on television and noticed that "he turned his back on the flag" before the Pledge of Allegiance ended. That irritated her to no end.

Lloyd McCabe's brain surgery is set for next week, two days after the Pennsylvania primary. Still, says his wife, "We're going to try to vote. I do not want to miss my vote."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html

[dansolo]

90. Noticed?

More likely she heard/read other wingnuts commenting on the issue. Was the turning-his-back-on-the-flag "incident" even during a televised event? It sounds like she is lying here, and is just parroting talking points.

[JimGinPA]

15. Lapel Jewelry Is An Important Issue To Most Americans

:rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. did this lady have a "flag pin" on?

I wonder?

And when are ABC "anchors" going to start putting the damn things on?

[UALRBSofL]

18. Yeah, she doesn't trust Obama will be able to get her out of debt

For that matter rural america doesn't trust him. As a matter of fact, with Hillary's Universal Health Care, it will get this poor lady out of medical debt.

[wndycty]

21. Why does she demand Obama wear a flag pin, but doesn't notice that. . .

. . .Hillary isn't always sporting one either? Do you really think her vote for Hillary if about Hillary's health care plan? Oh please.

[ScarletSniper]

19. Bingo!!!!

She wasn't ever going to vote for him anyway...just looking for a bullshit way to justify her small mindedness.

[MethuenProgressive]

22. Obama screws up answer!! Obama followers blame the question asker!!

FUCKING OBAMA couldn't even ANSWER a FUCKING QUESTION he should have EXPECTED!!

Another day, another fake outrage thread!

[krkaufman]

29. So you don't see any irony in a person in such dire economic straits ...

... being concerned about "flag pins"? Nor the added irony that it explicitly demonstrates the type of behavior that Obama described in his heinous Frisco comments?

[MethuenProgressive]

34. Attacking the woman who asked the question - typical Obama Camp tactic

.

[krkaufman]

40. You failed to answer a very simple question. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

43. You asked such a poor question it deserved no answer.

Fail. Now go attack the woman some more.

[krkaufman]

47. Sorry, but your declaring it, doesn't make it so.

I wasn't "attacking the woman" since she'll never hear my comments. My question spoke more to the general case of someone in such dire circumstances putting such weight in the wearing of a flag pin. Your off-target attack, and then refusal to address the actual question demonstrates a reactionary, closed mind.

Thanks for playing; maybe next time you'll manage some courtesy and courage. Rub that flag pin some, mebbe it'll help.

[JoFerret]

46. Hold her up to ridicule

What that woman needs is a Clinton economy and universal health coverage. Not a well pressed suit with followers who find her an anthropological specimen.

[CTLawGuy]

91. yeah

she needs to be fined for not buying health insurance and to have her community bleed even more jobs...

[Romulox]

38. So she's *preventing* Obama talking about poverty and the economy? Really?

Gimme a break. When neither candidate speak to poverty or economics, then "culture wars" crap is on-limits.

If you want to make this campaign about poverty, then Obama isn't the right candidate.

[krkaufman]

44. Non sequitur

Your comment fails to address the comment/question in my post, which was simply about the irony(?) of someone in such dire straits basing their vote on the wearing of a flag pin.

Your turning the argument around to the candidates doesn't change the fact that such a person has strangely misplaced priorities, in my opinion.

[Romulox]

52. The true irony is that we have *3 candidates* who espouse roughly the same economic policy

Irony is like a swiss-army knife: it cuts a lot of different ways.

Did it ever occur to you that it is ironic that the mainstream political discourse doesn't include one candidate (out of three currently standing) that doesn't support globalism/offshoring/"free trade"/H1B visas/etc.?

Castigating a poor woman for not steering the debate toward poverty or the economy when neither of the candidates wants to talk about these issues also ironic, to say the least!


"Your turning the argument around to the candidates doesn't change the fact that such a person has strangely misplaced priorities, in my opinion."

[krkaufman]

56. Bush wears a flag pin. How's Bush been for the working class?

And guess what, one of those 3 candidates is going to be the next President. Not Kucinich. Not Nader. Not Paul. And I pray that the winner isn't selected based on who has the most flair items pinned to their lapels.

[Romulox]

60. The roots of current working class suffering (welfare "reform", NAFTA, WTO, MFN for China)

were all planted during a DEMOCRATIC administration.

"Anybody but Bush" failed in 2004. But we're going to try it again in 2008... :crazy:

[krkaufman]

63. Exactly what is your point? Please enlighten me ....

... as to whom other than McCain, Clinton or Obama has a chance of being President? :crazy:


(Personally, I agree with your agreement with Obama... that Bill Clinton failed to change the direction of the country, and effectively continued Republican, Conservative policies. That's *one* of my big complaints with the Clinton Admin.)

[Bonobo]

24. Precisely what Obama talked about when he said people go to single issues when in despair.

No hope for real economic change = over concern over wedge issues. Molehill shit.

[wndycty]

25. Yup, I want to know how Obama wearing a 'flag pin' would improve your quality of life

:kick:

[Bonobo]

30. When you have nothing else, symbols become VERY important.

[TahitiNut]

82. Exactly. When folks are told that what little they have left is being threatened ...

... and they believe it, they're herded into the slaughter pens of the political abbotoir. This is the "politics of scarcity" ... Scare City ... where F.U.D. rules.

[wndycty]

89. LOL

:kick:

[Bolo Boffin]

39. Exactly. Having so little prospect of overcoming the big problems, people will

try to do something about the things they think they can affect.

However, this is an issue that Senator Obama has made an issue. This is a battleground he had chosen. He cannot resent (nor should his supporters) questions about this, because he is the one that made this an issue. He wants these questions because it gives him another opportunity to answer the question.

And everytime you judge Senator Obama by his wearing a flag pin or not, you are judging him by his appearance and NOT the content of his character.

People, we need to stop demanding that Barack Obama put his lapel to the awl of the door.

[Bonobo]

55. Agreed completely. And he will own the issue by the end of this thing.

[Romulox]

41. No hope for real economic change = What's Barack's plan?

Will Austan Goolsbee, the Obama campaign's chief economic advisor as well as the chief economist for the Democratic Leadership Council/PPI going to propose anything radical with regard to the economy, poverty, or trade???

All signs currently point to "no".

[meow mix]

31. wonder who thought it would be a good idea to track this lady down?

very curious

[Kittycat]

32. She was also in the NYT April 2nd - so it looks like ABC sought her out

for the question.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5559287

[billyoc]

33. Uniquely American.

as they say. :eyes:

[NoodleyAppendage]

36. She's probably racist at her core...because of all of the "ills" that have befallen her life.

Someone has to be the scape goat when life is harsh and uncaring...typically this means people who "are not like you" and who are also competing for the meager resources available to the affected person.

Obama would never get her vote anyway, and if he does become President and improves her life in some way...she won't recognize it.

J

[UALRBSofL]

42. This is exactly the kind of thinking people are complaining about Obama

Your post about this lady being racist and the sorts is what Obama has been showing the american public for weeks. You represent Obama well.

[krkaufman]

57. Wild leap, there. She may just prefer Hillary or McCain. n/t

[Romulox]

58. What a hateful, bigoted post! What is the basis for these awful smears?

Your own fevered imagination? :shrug:

[NoodleyAppendage]

69. Just calling it like it really is. This lady uses the flag pin argument as a crutch.

Flag pin becomes a useful surrogate for her deeper issues.

J

[wndycty]

70. Exactly

:kick:

[Romulox]

72. You're doing the EXACT same thing! nt

[Binka]

71. Basis? Basis? Are You For Real?

Do you not live in the USA? You don't understand race in this country? You don't understand why racism exists? The poster has an extremely valid and cogent point, people resort to racism as a means to explain, excuse, deny, obfuscate, WTF you want to call it THEIR OWN INTERNAL DISSATISFACTION. If you can't understand that very basic premise there is no use talking to you.

Another shit heel for the ignore bin. BTW Fuck You for being an asshole, I've been reading some of your crap here for the past few weeks and you suck.

[Romulox]

73. Yes, basis. As is, you can't going around saying someone is "probably" a racist

because of a flag pin in their lapel.

[wndycty]

76. Well considering Obama is the only one taking heat for it when there are tons of pics . . .

. . .of all the other candidates without the pin then one is correct in assuming bigotry.

[Binka]

77. Fuck All It Is Much More Than The Flag Pin

That is just a fucking symptom. A screaming in your face symptom if you would pay attention. Shit I forgot to ignore you. See ya later asshole.

[Romulox]

79. Saying someone is "probably" a racist because of some proxy issue is PRECISELY the point

I don't ignore people I disagree with. You can do what you like. :hi:

[NoodleyAppendage]

84. I don't see her screaming at Hillary for not wearing a flag pin...so what else is her basis?

Hillary doesn't own a flag pin factory and hardly wears one, so upon what basis are we to believe that this woman singles out the black candidate for the flag pin bullshit? She's a pissed (rightfully so) old woman with a sad story, but the sadder story is her inability to understand that Obama would likely be of greater benefit to her than Clinton. This woman is EXACTLY the type that uses surrogate issues to vent about how shitty her life is...rather than voting in a manner that would actually improve her life. She is mallable, suggestive, and ultimately lost to the Repuke/MSM message machine.

J

[wndycty]

74. Yeah bigots, ESPECIALLY THOSE ON DU, have a way of accusing others of bigotry. . .

. . .in attempt to expose theirs.

[Romulox]

75. LOL. To whom are you referring? Me? Yourself? Circular logic is confusing! nt

[wndycty]

78. Yes I am. . .Yes I am and I bet there are more than a few folks. . .

. . .who look at your posts and don't also assume you to be a bigot.

[Romulox]

83. I wonder if any of these "few folks" have a bigoted quote or a link?

It's really easy to call someone who disagrees with you a "bigot". But I haven't said anything bigoted on this thread or anywhere else--I merely object to saying someone is "probably" a racist.

[Binka]

80. The Bigots Are EVERYWHERE Even On DU Sad To Say

The trolls have taken over the board.

[Arkansas Granny]

37. Many people base their vote on issues that are considered inconsequential by others.

You may think that her question was trivial, but I've seen posters on this board claim that they have determined their support for a candidate or switched support from one candidate to the other for reasons that I consider just as trivial.

[Bonobo]

48. I called the campaign office and handed it all to them. Let's hope it gets to the top.

[Froward69]

51. without saying it

she is trying to point out she feels Obama is, (to her anyway), an "Uppity black guy" She did not get a Harvard education, she did not go to school in Hawaii. She feels bitter not because she relegates herself to her own situation but because Obama may become President.

her racism runs deep, she cannot compete with other whites. so add the black population to the mix and she cannot compete at all.

I am convinced she is retarded. a republican stooge. they do not care about her, so we Democrats are supposed to? :crazy:



A GOD DAMN, FUCKING MADE IN CHINA, FLAG PIN is her issue???????????????????? WTF :wtf: :argh:

[ecstatic]

53. She got the chance to ask a possible PRESIDENT a pertinent question

and that was what she chose to waste it on?!?

[wndycty]

61. As I said, it proves Obama's San Francisco point

:kick:

[Eurobabe]

54. Yes Virginia, Pennsylvania has it's share of DUMB ASSES

And it seems like Mrs. McCabe is one of them.

[Catherine Vincent]

59. Her priorities are definitely screwed up.

nt

[high density]

65. So ultimately it sounds like she's jealous of Obama because it's too easy for him

Give me a break. Clinton has "earned the right" to be president? No, that's not how it works. I wouldn't want to be in this woman's shoes, but her hatred for Obama makes no sense.

[JVS]

66. I'd really like to help her out.

Maybe we could all send her a flag pin.

[DS1]

67. A PLEDGE PIN! ON YOUR UNIFORM!?!?

[TragedyandHope]

68. Sad beyond belief

Please Nash, if you would just think and get your priorities straight, we all might have a chance to work our way out of the mess we're in.

[thereismore]

87. She has NOTHING left. So she clings to...the flag. Obama missed that one in San Francisco.

She completely proves his point.

[anonymous171]

88. She is the person Obama was talking about. They are so obsessed with stupid and inane

things that are simply distractions from the real issues.