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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:32 AM
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ObamaNation’s power - Debate blowback an illustration of things-to-come
From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

*** ObamaNation’s power: Curious of what the bitterness and anger could look like if Obama is somehow denied the Democratic nomination? Check out the reaction from the ObamaNation over Wednesday’s debate. To put it simply, ABC was under siege yesterday. This may only be a taste of how the ObamaNation would react to a Clinton nomination. If MoveOn is motivated to do a petition campaign against the media over a debate, imagine what Clinton delegates and undecided superdelegates would face this summer if there is doubt. And as the Politico’s Ben Smith pointed out yesterday, it’s also what the GOP would face in the general election, especially if Obama is nominee. The level of devotion among Obama's supporters rivals what Bush had with his flock in 2004. The left-wing blogosphere is MUCH more powerful than what you see on the right this cycle and it reminds us of the advantage Bush had in '04. While we all know about that so-called right-wing voice machine, don’t forget that there is now a left-wing noise machine (on the internet) as well. And it has found its voice.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:34 AM
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1. kicking and recc'ing
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:13 AM
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23. ABC 212)-456-7777 - did you forget to call? Call today, phones wont be as busy
its another way to send a message to ALL MSM and signify your vote.

Polite but pissed always works better than profanity. It can’t hurt to remind ABC News about their Path to 9/11 probation
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:38 AM
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31. Mob Mentality? Sure, and you would be responsible for Bush declaring Martial Law..
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 06:38 AM by Tellurian
another stupid move under consideration by Obama supporters!
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:34 AM
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2. Amen to that..
I say Bring It!
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:35 AM
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3. ObamaNation? Don't say that too fast...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:36 AM
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4. I know. I've grown to appreciate and embrace the term.
It fits.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:47 AM
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11. I hear that
somebody somewhere in the pig world is going to twist the sound of that. they're evil, but they ain't dumb.

It's a shame, because it's a likeable name.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:24 AM
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14. It was invented here on DU by a certain Clinton supporter as an insult
I've grown fond of it.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:24 PM
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28. That's not true.
It popped up in the daydream of a DUer, who envisioned a Romney v Obama race where it was being used against Obama. Then people here started throwing it around. I know because it was me, before I lost the password for that account.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:13 AM
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29. Okay, you get credit
I thought it was someone initialed MP :hi:
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:02 PM
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34. Don't know 'MP' but these things float around.
its not like its a big stretch that somebody else said it too..I'm probably not the first to say "Obamanatrix" (in jokingly describing somebody's language here) either, though that one hasn't taken wings. (Thank God) :)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:38 AM
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5. K&R Toast the pubs!
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:38 AM
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6. Power To The People!! nt
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:39 AM
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7. Look who has found their voice now!
We the people. Not Sen. Clinton. :toast:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:41 AM
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8. Mostly reassuring, but I don't get the comparison with Bush in 2004
Apples and oranges to me.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:44 AM
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9. They can pout and whine like no other!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:45 AM
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10. Well done, left wing media organization - YEAH!!!
Distractions, you're on notice!




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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:18 AM
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12. obamanation forgets that they do not control the media
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:32 AM
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15. Gee, you keep saying they do, that the MSM keeps picking on
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 09:43 AM by merh
poor Hillary and that they favor Obama. You keep denying that her very creepy alignment and acceptance of the endorsement of Sciafe was her dancing with the devil, done to cultivate the power of his press that same press that has tried to destroy the party for years. LOL, now with this post it appears that the truth slips out when you least expect it though.

Haven't you noticed, a good many folks like him a whole lot more than they like Hillary. It must be those negative vibes, they will turn folks away something I figured a lot of hillary supporters would have noticed by now.



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:50 AM
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20. stop lying about what you ASSume I think. I do not equate the Left
Obamablogasphere with the msm.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:18 AM
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24. And "damn them!" for trying anyway, ehh? (NT)
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:42 AM
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32. You guys can't have it both ways...lol..unbelievable
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:22 AM
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13. The left-wing blogosphere is MUCH more powerful
You haven't seen anything yet.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:32 AM
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16. What was strange was that Stephanopoulos got his talking points from Hannity Insanity.
That was really stupid.

And I noticed that both Charlie Gibson and later Candy Crowley even said that the lapel flag pin issue was being discussed all over the internet, and therefore was a legit question.

I immediately thought, "they must be reading Free Republic" because I have never seen more than 1 thread about it on most liberal forums I have read.
It just wasn't a controversy at all, whatsoever.
They didn't even talk about it much at Kos.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 07:03 AM
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33. Talking points about Obama's terrorist's connections?
His connections are alive and well. What? You think Obama is telling ALL to you?

:rofl:
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:35 AM
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17. Hear- here! K/R!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:37 AM
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18. We are the ones we have been waiting for!
Awesome to see people involved and active. Bring on Mcain we are going to chew him up.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:37 AM
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19. The left-wing making its run for power
These are the days Ted Kennedy have have dream of -- never so close as when Kennedy screwed Carter in 1980. Truly they will do or say anything.

They'll do for the Dems what Bush did for the Republicans.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:05 AM
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21. K&R BIG TIME!
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:10 AM
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22. K & R! YES WE CAN
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:49 AM
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25. I mostly agree with this OP. I think that Obama's SUPPORTERS are the best thing
that has happened in this country in a lo-o-ong time.

However, I have to disagree with the sentences about Bush '04 supporters.

"The level of devotion among Obama's supporters rivals what Bush had with his flock in 2004. The left-wing blogosphere is MUCH more powerful than what you see on the right this cycle and it reminds us of the advantage Bush had in '04."

These statements are very inaccurate and out of focus. For instance, the Democratic Party grass roots blew the Bushites away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40. When Rove was asked, just after the election, how they overcame this, he replied, "Our invisible get-out-the-vote campaign in the churches." But there is no evidence--zero, zilch--that this "invisible" GOTV effort even existed, let alone overcame such a lopsided Democratic grass roots victory in the voter registration drive. And, of course, the corporate media did no follow up questions (like, what evidence do you base that on?).

My point: Voter "devotion" to Bush was largely an illusion--comprised of bullshit from Rove and lapdog corporate media repeating of his bullshit, and both things underpinned by Bushite corporate electronic vote tallying with "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code and virtually no audit/recount controls (--a wholly non-transparent vote counting system fast-tracked into place during the 2002-2004 period, with a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle from the Anthrax Congress). What were all those new voters flocking to the Democratic Party FOR? To show their "devotion" to Bush? They were flocking to the Democratic Party in a passionate effort to "throw the bums out"! That's what really happened. Most of the news voters, most of the independent voters, and most of the former Nader voters all voted for Kerry/Edwards. Where did Bush/Cheney's majority come from? And anybody familiar with Kerry/Edwards rallies vs. Bush/Cheney rallies in that campaign knows that most of the devotion, passion and commitment was on the Democratic side.

I won't go into the full case for a stolen election, but I think we have to be very careful about accepting a Bush/Cheney '04 win as fact--for one thing, because conditions were so non-transparent that nobody can say anything about the vote count with 100% certainty. But more than this, when you overlay Bush liars and corporate news monopoly liars, creating the narrative for what was, very likely, a stolen election, you realize how iffy it is to draw any political or strategic conclusions from that event, except this: We MUST restore transparent vote counting.

Did Kerry blow the election by not reacting soon enough to the "swift-boating"? If the election was stolen from him--and there is very strong evidence that it was--then the answer is no. What really happened is that the American people didn't believe that attack on his medals, and were offended by it. The American people resisted the propaganda!

And there is much evidence that the American people have been resisting the Bushite propaganda all along. For instance, in Feb. '03, just before the invasion of Iraq, FIFTY SIX PERCENT of the American people opposed that war (NYT poll; other polls 54-55%). Most of us don't know this because it was back-paged. And it was nowhere reflected in the totally pro-war corporate news coverage. But it's true. And were they any less enamoured of this war a year later, during the 2004 election? No! They were heading toward the whopping, unprecedented SEVENTY PERCENT anti-war majority of today.

So, we must be very wary of drawing conclusions from the impressions we get from corporate news monopolies--and we must not base our strategy on their false narratives.

There is no similarity between Bush voters in '04 and today's Obama supporters. Obama's support is REAL. Bush's support was largely manufactured--by the corporate news monopolies giving a BIG TRUMPET to a rightwing minority, way out of proportion to their numbers, with the great likelihood that Diebold, ES&S and brethren puffed up their numbers in the vote count, and reversed a Kerry victory.

Bush/Cheney DID draw votes. That is undeniable. But, if the evidence of a stolen election is correct--and I believe it is--they actually received only about 45% or so of the votes (that is, less than 25% of the general public--voters and non-voters--the correct number for the rightwing minority). Were some of them "devoted"? Yes. Were most of them (except for the super-rich and defense contractors) stupid (voting against their own interests)? Yup. Are Obama supporters stupid? Nope. They are rallying against unjust war, against corporate rule, against the looting of our treasury, against vast crime in government, against unfairness and poverty, against "free trade," in their own interest and in the interest of most people. They may be somewhat stupid in thinking that Obama can or will do anything about the ravaging of our country by the Corporate Rulers. But they are not stupid in the issues that move them, and in the reasons for their support of this candidate, whom they see as anti-establishment, and of whom they will demand change and reform, if they manage to elect him. Bush/Cheney support, by 2004, was trumped up; it was mostly puffery. Obama's support is not. It is genuine. And it is representative of the majority--on all issues, from Social Security and women's rights to torture and war. All issue and approval polls over the last four years show vast disapproval by the American people of every Bush policy, foreign and domestic--way up in the 60% to 70% range.

I'm not sure what's responsible for the 50/50 numbers, right now, on McBush vs. either Democrat. But I suspect that it's a combo of the distracting nature of the Obama-Clinton fight, the low approval rating for the Democratic Congress (worse than Bush!), and word-of-mouth not yet having caught up with McBush's policies. If and when word-of-mouth does catch up with McBush, he doesn't stand a chance (except via Diebold et al). His policies are way, way out of sync with the majority of Americans. And I frankly don't see how they can steal this election for McBush without a revolution. The backlash against Corporate Rule would be ferocious. Things are boiling, really and truly. And they started boiling way back in 2004, with most Americans already furious at that 25% rightwing minority ruling the government and the public airwaves. They came out in droves, in 2006, to try to fix things. Money and Diebold and "Blue Dog" Democrats thwarted them again. And if that happens in 2008, there is going to be hell to pay--because Obama supporters represent the frustrated, thwarted, angry, determined, peace-minded, justice-minded, progressive American majority, who want a President and a Congress who are accountable to the people.

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:27 PM
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26. K&R
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 01:17 PM
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27. K & R
:thumbsup:
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:35 AM
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30. You better believe it!!! We will be heard and we are not to be taken lightly.
Go Bama
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