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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:21 AM
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Fact check: Obama, Clinton and the Weather Underground - Clinton wrong per Yahoo News Link........
Fact check: Obama, Clinton and the Weather Underground

Yahoo News

Thu Apr 17, 6:22 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080417/ap_on_el_pr/obama_radical_fact_check

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Sen. Barack Obama is defending his relationship with a former radical whose provocative words were wrongly linked by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

(snip)

THE FACTS:

Clinton's implication that Ayers made hurtful comments connected with the terrorist attacks is wrong.

By coincidence, a story about Ayers and what he called his fictionalized memoirs appeared in The New York Times on the day of the attacks.

The story was based on an interview he had done earlier, in Chicago, in which he declared, "I don't regret setting bombs," and "I feel we didn't do enough," even while seeming to dissociate himself coyly from the group's most destructive acts.

Clinton is correct that both men served together on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based charity that develops community groups to help the poor. Ayers joined the board in 1999 and is still on it. Obama left it in December 2002 after nine years.

Ayers was clearly more than someone Obama just ran into in the neighborhood on occasion. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was making his first run for the Illinois Senate, Ayers had Obama to his home to introduce him to others.

But a flub by Obama in the debate suggested he does not know him that well: He called Ayers an English professor. Ayers teaches education at the University of Illinois at Chicago and has been an education adviser to Mayor Richard Daley.

Ayers disappeared after the 1970 town house explosion, although he was not charged in that episode. He and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, surfaced in 1980.

They both faced charges stemming from Chicago demonstrations in 1969 but his were dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct while she pleaded guilty to aggravated battery and bail-jumping.

THE SPIN:

Obama said Clinton was not one to talk about guilt by association because "President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago."

THE FACTS:

Obama correctly sketched out the details of Bill Clinton's acts in the case. However, senior Obama strategist David Axelrod went too far Thursday when he said the two cleared by President Clinton had killed people. They were not convicted of that.

Bill Clinton created an uproar with New York lawmakers from both parties and with police when, on his last day in office, he granted clemency to Susan L. Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans.

Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years after being caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons from a car in New Jersey in 1984. She was wanted on charges related to the deadly Brink's ambush but never tried on them, and Clinton's order released her after 16 years behind bars.

Evans was captured in 1985 along with one of the fugitives from the Brink's robbery, whom she was accused of harboring. Evans was sentenced to 40 years on a variety of weapons and terrorism-related convictions, including the 1983 Capitol bombing plot.

Although Hillary Clinton publicly disputed her husband's offer of clemency to Puerto Rican nationalists in 1999 because they had not sufficiently renounced violence, she is not known to have objected to his freeing of Rosenberg and Evans in 2001.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:34 AM
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1. ???
However, senior Obama strategist David Axelrod went too far Thursday when he said the two cleared by President Clinton had killed people. They were not convicted of that.

Your title says "-Clinton Wrong."


What does this have to do with Clinton (either of them?)
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:50 AM
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4. Sen. Clinton wrongly linked Ayers comment to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Sen. Barack Obama is defending his relationship with a former radical whose provocative words were wrongly linked by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

THE FACTS:

Clinton's implication that Ayers made hurtful comments connected with the terrorist attacks is wrong.

By coincidence, a story about Ayers and what he called his fictionalized memoirs appeared in The New York Times on the day of the attacks.

The story was based on an interview he had done earlier, in Chicago, in which he declared, "I don't regret setting bombs," and "I feel we didn't do enough," even while seeming to dissociate himself coyly from the group's most destructive acts.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:56 AM
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5. Wrongly? Like, "GIRL...YOU ARE SO WRONG!"
She made a little insinuation. Check the transcript.

Obama's Campaign now...

However, senior Obama strategist David Axelrod went too far Thursday when he said the two cleared by President Clinton had killed people. They were not convicted of that.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:15 AM
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6. That was NOT Obama - that was Axelrod. Hillary is trying to instill something that was not there!
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 11:16 AM by 1776Forever
I gave a transcript of an article that stated the facts. You have another one that says that Ayers did say something after 9/11 then put in your post! Don't call me a lier!

AND if you think Hillary just gave a "little insinuation" then you don't realize that the Repub's are watching and they are using this as a talking point for the General Election! Disgusting on Hillary's part. Her reputation is going down really fast and this is one of the reasons!

Here is a link to show that:

http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/02/hillary-approval-rating-low/

Hillary’s Approval Rating Hits 2 Year Low
April, 2008

The blody blows have been landed. The sparks have flown. McCain has flown largely under the radar. Team Billary has thrown everything including the kitchen sink at Barack Obama and what is the result?

The debate over her record has left Sen. Clinton confronting her lowest approval rating since April 2006, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released last week.

According to the survey, 29% of the approximately 1,000 respondents said they had a very negative opinion of Sen. Clinton compared with 15% for Sen. Barack Obama and 12% for Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican nominee.

A Pew Research survey released last week shows 29% of Democratic voters describe Sen. Clinton as “phony,” compared with 14% for Sen. Obama.

A full third of Democratic voters view her as phony, yet she will somehow unite the party? Good luck with that. Obama and McCain have virtually the same negatives at this point - with Obama being pummeled and McCain flying low. Ask yourself what that tells you.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:36 AM
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7. I didn't say it was Obama.
I said it was Obama's campaign.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:39 AM
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2. Who Rec'd This?
The title & thread seem to be in need of marriage counseling so they can work out their differences.
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:42 AM
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3. Clinton's Pardon of an Ex-Terrorist
Officials Criticize Clinton's Pardon of an Ex-Terrorist: Susan L. Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a Republican, and United States Senator Charles E. Schumer, a Democrat, were among those who criticized the pardon, as did Bernard B. Kerik, New York City's police commissioner, and David Trois, a Rockland County police union official.

''It sickened me,'' Mr. Kerik said yesterday of the pardon, one of 140 granted Saturday, the final day of Mr. Clinton's tenure.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D06EED7133CF931A15752C0A9679C8B63

FALN

Just last week, Secretary of State Madelein

Albright, speaking on the first anniversary of the
deadly U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, vowed
to wage an all-out war against terrorism. This
week, President Clinton turned that promise into a
joke by offering to commute the justifiably harsh
prison sentences of 14 FALN terrorists, including
the wife of its bomb-maker mastermind, the
notorious William Morales.

The FALN, for those who may have forgotten,
was a small group of separatists who launched a
deadly "war of nerves" to bring about
independence for Puerto Rico. Over a six-year
period, the group claimed responsibility for more
than 100 bombings that took six lives and injured
some 130 people

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/puertorico/sep4.htm
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