Professional whiners Bill and Hillary cry no fair at Obama calling out ABC over the debate

[ProSense]

Background and video about ABC's "Juicy" debate approach.

Now Bill and Hillary:

Complainin' Clintons Fault Obama for Complaining

April 18, 2008 10:14 AM

The former first couple is amused with the fact that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and his supporters were chagrined at the line of questions coming his way during Wednesday night's debate.

On Fox 29 in Philadelphia this morning, ABC News' Eloise Harper reports, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, said of Obama, "I know he spent all day yesterday complaining about the hard questions he was asked. Being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressures you face inside the White House. In fact, when the going gets tough, you just can’t walk away because we’re going to have some very tough decisions that we have to make. I think we need a president who can take whatever comes your way. ...When the going gets tough you can’t run away."

And ABC News' Sarah Amos reports that from front porch of an American Legion Hall in St. Mary's, Penn., Thursday, former President Bill Clinton said, "When I watched that debate last night, I got kinda tickled when the other guy's – after the , her opponents', oh, the people working were saying, 'Oh this is so negative, why are they doing this.' Well they've been beatin' up on her for 15 months. I didn't hear her whining when he said she was untruthful in Iowa."

If you haven't heard whining from your wife or from the Clinton campaign, Mr. President, then with all due respect, you haven't been paying attention.

The Clintons and the Clinton campaign have been complaining about the media and tough questions and the like for months. It's one of their talking points, for the love of Pete.

After a November debate when Clinton -- then the clear frontrunner -- was attacked by the many other Democrats on stage, the Clinton campaign even put together a youtube video complaining of the "Politics of Pile-on."

And at the Cleveland debate seven weeks ago, Clinton complained that she always got the first question, and about the media coverage in general.

Bill Clinton has whined about the media coverage so much and often it would be difficult to list every example. In a February interview with WMAL radio in Washington DC, the former president griped that "the political press has avowedly played a role in this election. I've never seen this before...they’ve been active participants in this election, and you know what the objective studies done."

Back then, of course, Sen. Obama was of course sounding a different tune, telling NBC that Clinton was saying "Don't pick on me" while his campaign issued a memo saying, "the 'politics of hope' doesn’t mean hoping you don’t have to answer tough questions.

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This is even more ironic coming from the Clintons, who are so arrogant that they believe they are above criticism (read: elitist) and allowed to say whatever the hell they want to, and then turn around and whine when called on their BS.

BILL: 'MY MESSAGE' 99.9% POSITIVE

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli

COLUMBIA, SC -- At the end of a week in which he’s often been the center of attention, former president Bill Clinton struck a conciliatory note, admitting that he has gotten “hot” defending his wife even as he defended his campaign role.

"I have not said anything that is factually inaccurate," he said.

Clinton had some scrambled eggs and grits with supporters this morning before setting off to visit polling locations here and upstate. As he greeted voters at the Meadowlake polling station, a woman greeted him and said, “You’re doin’ good. Just watch what you say.”

“My message has been 99.9% positive for 100% of this campaign,” Clinton said to reporters later. “I think that when I think she’s being misrepresented, I have a right to try to with factual accuracy set the record straight, which is what I’ve tried to do.”

A number of prominent Barack Obama supporters and neutral observers have criticized Clinton’s vocal role on his wife’s behalf. John Kerry told National Journal that “being an ex-president does not give you license to abuse the truth.”

“Did you notice he didn’t specify?” Clinton said when asked about the comment. “They never do. They hurl these charges, but nothing gets specified. I'm not taking the bait today. I did what I could to help Senator Kerry every time he needed me, and every time he asked me. He can support whomever he wants for whatever reason he wants. But there's nothing for me to respond to.”

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They've been whining for months.

Complaining about media coverage

by kos
Tue Jan 08, 2008

I see Clinton's surrogates complaining about the unfairness of the media coverage, about how Obama is getting a free pass.

Does this sort of whining ever work? It sure didn't in 2004 as us Deaniacs complained about the governor's shitty media coverage. It looks particularly petty for a former president of the United States to join the whining.

And come on, the Clinton campaign has had surrogates like Begala and Carville embedded in the punditry promoting her campaign from within! Who else had such advantages?

Regardless, the media is unfair. I think we can stipulate that without argument. It sucks. But the Clintons have had every advantage in the world -- just about the entire party establishment. The fact that $100 million, the best campaign team in the (Democratic Party) universe, the bulk of the party establishment, well-placed pundit allies, and a fragmented field haven't been enough to put this thing away for Hillary points to her flaws as a candidate.

It's not the media's fault that people are sick of the Clinton machine and want change. The only reason she has even been competitive is that the "change" forces never coalesced around a single candidate. But even in a fragmented field, Hillary is in serious trouble. God help her if she only faced a single serious candidate. She'd be crushed.

Whining about the media doesn't change that cold, stark reality.

Cold, stark reality:



Ongoing nomination fight hurting Clinton more than Obama




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[MethuenProgressive]

1. OP completely debunked by facts:

Clinton dismisses Obama’s critique of this week’s debate questions.

Q: Obviously, the war in Iraq is one of so many issues that you dealt with at the debate Wednesday night. I want to get your thoughts on this, we talked about it yesterday, its on the front of so many papers, I’ll show you this one, it’s the Philadelphia Tribune, it says ‘viewers upset with ABC debate’, it’s got Barack Obama’s picture right there on the right. Yesterday he was saying for 40 minutes or so it was all about who said what and who did this, and you really didn’t get to the key issues until almost the second hour of the debate. What did you think about the debate on Wednesday night?

HRC: We were both asked some pretty tough questions and that’s part of what happens in a debate and in a campaign. And I know he spent all day yesterday complaining about the hard questions he was asked. Being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressures you face inside the White House. In fact, when the going gets tough, you just can’t walk away because we’re going to have some very tough decisions that we have to make. I think we need a president who can take whatever comes your way. You have to stand strong; you have to fight for the American people – because it will not be easy to stand up against the special interests.

Q: So you were fine with the debate, did you see any problem with it?

HRC: Well, can I say that I’ve been through, what 23 of these debates? And as I recall, I was asked some pretty tough questions in nearly every one of them. That goes with the territory, having been inside the White House, I know the pressures inside the White House, I know how hard it is every single day. When the going gets tough you can’t run away. And it’s going to be tough going to deal with these hard problems; getting out of Iraq in the right way, turning the economy around, getting universal health care, ending our dependence on foreign oil. The special interests are going to be a lot tougher than 90 minutes of questions from two journalists and we need a president who is going to be up there fighting everyday for the American people and not complain about how much pressure there is, and how hard the questions are.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/18/clinton-%e2%80%9cwhen-the-going-gets-tough-you-can%e2%80%99t-run-away%e2%80%9d/

[ProSense]

4. Debunked? " Being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressures..."

Is that why she was whining about being asked the first question?

[george_maniakes]

6. You post doesnt even touch the OP's point, which is the clintons have been compaining for months...

and now obama says the same thing, and they think its an issue? So when Hillary was annoyed about always getting the first question, was she showing how weak she was?

[sunnystarr]

14. That reminds me ....

In the Faith debate there was a coin toss and the winner could decide whether to go first or second. Hillary won the toss and CHOSE to go first! So what was all that crap that she was complaining about earlier???

[damonm]

24. By the way, How IS Rod Serling these days?

I ask since you're obviously living in the Twilight Zone...

[L0oniX]

26. Uhm ...Ignored is living in the Outer Limits IMO

:evilgrin:

[Hepburn]

37. Seems like we both made a good choice to not bother with INGORED! n/t

[Terran]

25. Debunked, that's amusing.

It's nothing but spin on her part, i.e., devoid of a truthful answer.

[hayu_lol]

2. At least you admit that Hillary and Bill are professional at something...

sure does make Obama out to be the amateur at what he is trying to do.

Have a nice day.

[ProSense]

7. Amateur whiner? Is that bad?

Have a nice day.

[not_too_L8]

16. Do you mean trying to win the nomination, he's looking professional at that...

Unlike Hillary

[blm]

3. Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly pretending someone ELSE is whining? HAHAHAH!

Do these people think ALL democrats are gullible fools who don't deserve the truth and accuracy? They REALLY have no respect for their own supporters if they think even they will accept the constant lies and spins.

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. It must be difficult for the Clintons to see their once powerful & entrenched political

machine being trounced by an upstart, with overwhelming grassroots support. I can even see how that might make them "bitter". But the Clintons, along with most of us, have been decrying Republican style attacks from the media since we met the Clintons back in the 90's. So for them to throw out this charge of "whining", is just too rich.

[ProSense]

35. It's despicable. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

8. This will get you whining, won't it?

[Lucky 13]

9. Billary does not get it. Period.

They have BITCHED and MOANED about everything thrown their way. "Why do I get the first question?", "Should I ask Obama if he needs a pillow?", "Tim Russert was a meanie" blah blah blah.

They have cried about EVERYTHING. And when you cry about EVERYTHING, people TUNE YOU OUT. They are now nothing more than background noise.

Instead of phrasing her complaints like, "The american people are tired of the politics of minutia. This is not helping solve any of america's problems" she has phrased her complaints like, "It's not fair TO ME!"

Voters don't want to hear how unfair the media is to a millionaire politician. They want SOMEONE to acknowledge that NOTHING is fair to THEM. They want SOMEONE to acknowledge that they are getting SCREWED.

In short. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, HILLARY. IT'S ABOUT US.

She never got that. And that's why she won't be the Democratic Nominee for President.

[MADem]

10. More ironing? As in SHIRTS? WTF? Or was that just a pathetic mis-type?

Obama lost that debate. That's why he's whining.

[ProSense]

13. The error has been corrected. Hillary is no longer inevitable. n/t

[Blue_Roses]

11. what is that saying...

pot meet kettle...

[Triana]

12. Obama's "just walking away" ?

I don't see him going anywhere.

In contrast, I see Clinton going - down mostly - in more ways than one - and not walking - falling. The more she wallows in the shit with the Republicans, the more her ratings go South in a sort of "Bullet, meet Foot" fashion.

[4themind]

15. At least two types of whining

There's whining BECAUSE you believe the other person is getting preferential treatment, and there's whining because you think there was too emphasis on matters that you don't think voters are as concerned bout (which might still have the appearance of the other person getting special treatment. Similar appearance, different reasoning and perhaps different levels of concern about the concern.

[L0oniX]

29. And then there's the 3 blonds in the basement ....a whine cellar ...nyuk nyuk nyuk

:evilgrin:

[Frustratedlady]

17. I rather imagine Obama's complaints were nothing compared to the public...

and their outrage at the despicable way ABC and Hillary went after Obama. If they'd had a pile of rocks, they would have stoned him. I've never been so disgusted and gave ABC a piece of my mind, as well.

I believe you are going to see more and more uprisings from "the people" if any future displays of this type are put before the public. Obama had every right to dress them all down, but he stood his ground and stayed to the high road.

Shame on ABC and Hillary. They all need a good old-fashioned lecture.

[ProSense]

18. They are pathetically trying to convince people these were "hard questions" that needed to be asked.

Shameful!

[NatBurner]

19. she won't whine though...

she'll just laugh hysterically.

for a really long time.

[L0oniX]

28. Welcome to DU

[JAbuchan08]

20. When Bill made his comment about Obama "whining"

he tugged his ear for about 5 seconds.

classic body-language of a LIAR. He's losing his touch in his later years.

[Scurrilous]

21. K & R

:thumbsup:

[meow mix]

22. K&R

[meow mix]

23. K&R

[L0oniX]

27. Kicky kicky kicky n/t

[ProSense]

30. Hillary's fact check approves of her whining about being asked the first question

Fact Check: Hillary on Debates

A link to PolitiFact is provided, but the piece ridicules her in part.

[krkaufman]

31. The irony of the Clintons' comments is stunning. And hilarious.

They've become such ridiculous figures.

[ProSense]

32. They're going to be the butt of jokes for years to come. n/t

[TexasObserver]

33. Bill and Hill have become the Doug and Wendy Whiner of our Party.

Whine, whine, whine!

They're like the annoying guests who will never leave.

[ProSense]

34. Wolfson whines on conference call

In afternoon call with reporters, Clinton spokesman/strategist Howard Wolfson seeks to raise the stakes for Obama in Tuesday’s primary.

Noting his record-breaking ad spending, says:

“He is doing everything he can, spending as much as he can, in order to win the state of Pennsylvania… If Sen. Obama fails to win in Pennsylvania, it will be another blow in his efforts to convince Democrats that he will be our best standatdbearer in the fall.”

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[ProSense]

36. Bill still whining:

WJC: 'They played the race card on me'


So all the weak apologies (excuses) they've been offering a black churches and events were false?

Plenty of African-American officials, including Rep. James Clyburn, D-SC, the House Majority Whip, assuredly disagree with Clinton's interpretation of that controversy. Clyburn told me a few weeks ago that African-Americans, especially those from the South, "know the code words when we hear them."

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