***Breaking!: Sam Nunn & David Boren Endorse Barack Obama***

[malik flavors]

OBAMA SCORES BACKING OF TWO SOUTHERN DEMOCRATIC ICONS

Former Senators San Nunn (GA) and David Boren (OK) endorse the Land of Lincolner.
Will boost national security cred of Democratic frontrunner.

Read their endorsement statements here:
http://thepage.time.com/endorsement-statements-of-former-sens-nunn-boren-for-obama-2/

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/18/from-the-center/

[lisa58]

1. are they super delegates?

[Name removed]

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[lisa58]

8. thanks

[ClassWarrior]

I wouldn't believe that poster...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5565023&mesg_id=5565023

And I don't know if they're SDs or not.

NGU.

[SoxFan]

27. "P is for pizza, that's good enough for me!"

"Oh, pizza pizza pizza starts with P!"

[papau]

2. Conservatives endorse the conservative - this was not expected?

[thewiseguy]

6. Dont you get tired of your BS?

[burythehatchet]

20. When one's life is hopeless and the only attention they can get is on a discussion board

then the answer to your question is "of course not".

[kid a]

7. that just shows your lack of understanding of politics - wow

[dionysus]

15. so you guys are reduced to baldfaced lying, having lost the race...

ROFL

[me b zola]

67. They learned that from the Queen of the Damned

"I'm sorry I got caught lying about what I knew not to be true"

[malik flavors]

18. Yesterday Obama was a radical becasue of his associations, now he's conservative?

You folks are gonna have to make up your mind?

[Tesha]

37. OMG -- Obama's a, a, *SCHIZOPHRENIC*! OMG, OMG, OMG!

Seriously -- look for this as tomorrow's
"Smear O' the Day!"

Tesha

[papau]

40. Obama campaign has told you he'll do nothing on NAFTA, or on social programs like health as

was told Kudlow at CNBC - there will be no deficit increase because Obama does not expect anything to pass - and of course Powers revealed that out of Iraq in 16 months was a con job

but an Obama fan can't seem to hear what the campaign is telling them

[cali]

64. tut, tut. reduced to

nasty little lies. typical disgust shit from you.

[kwenu]

23. More like southerners endorse the candidate who can win southern states.

[Hepburn]

39. No, hon, learn to read AND comprehend....

...if they were going to endorse a conservative, they would have gone for Hillary. She even beats McGrandpa at being an RW.

[democrat2thecore]

59. Oh, please. -nt

[cali]

63. lol. people here aren't as simplistic and stupid as

your post. So 'splain away Kennedy, Kerry and Leahy, lucy.

[Umbram]

69. Desperate to stay relevant after losing all credibility? Poor thing. (nt)

[kid a]

3. I'm waiting for the Zell Miller - Hillary endorsement.

[Independent-Voter]

That's some old-school endorsement right there.

[Bluebear]

5. Sam Nunn: "Gay men should not advertise their behavior". Wonderful.

The man who gave us "Don't ask, don't tell"

[ClassWarrior]

13. .

[malik flavors]

21. He did? Tell me, What again was Bill Clinton's role in "don't ask, don't tell."

[Bluebear]

25. Clinton wanted to lift the ban on gay men & women serving, as you know.

It was one of the first things he tried to do. Nunn led the opposition to it and he can go fuck himself.

[blm]

45. Bill ROLLED OVER because he was TOO BIG A COWARD To fight for gays on that issue.

Kerry testified in front of congress that gays should serve openly in the military and had to wear a bulletproof vest for some time after.

Just like he did on all those years of hard investigatory work to uncover the crimes of BushInc, Bill took Kerry's risk and efforts for gays in the military and cowardly protected and validated BushInc and the RW thugs.

[jobycom]

57. Bullshit. Sam Nunn stabbed Clinton and the Democrats in the back.

The true story is that Clinton tried to overturn the ban on gays in the military through executive order, and Sam Nunn announced that if he did, Nunn would lead Congress to ban gays in the military altogether. He had the votes easily to override any Clinton veto, thanks to the Republicans and Sam Nunn's southern Democrats.

"Don't ask, don't tell" was the only way Clinton had left to prevent a federal law banning gays serving in the military outright. It sucked, but it was the only thing left.

Sam Nunn is a homophobic piece of crap, amongst other things. I sincerely hope Obama isn't embracing him. If so, Obama supporters can shut the hell about Richard Melon Scaife endorsing Clinton. Sam Nunn is just as bad.

[blm]

61. And Bill chose the COWARDS' way out and would NOT FIGHT. Do you even REALIZE how EVERY ISSUE

Dems' support has REGRESSED BECAUSE Bill's willingness to ROLLOVER for the Bush agenda and the powerful ASSURED that the Dems would never win the battles on these issues.

Ever REALIZE that HAD Bill done the RIGHT THING and allowed the fuller revelations of BushInc's crimes of office that there would never have been a STRONG push back from the GOP and centrist Dems and no GOP takeover of congress and Dems would have the STRENGTH of numbers and MORAL AUTHORITY to GOVERN in the 90s instead of being usurped by the RW agenda who had a Dem president bending to THEM?

[jobycom]

70. Again, complete bullshit. You stab your allies in the back, you lose your allies.

You've got some fantasy based on internet rumors alone that Bush could have been prosecuted for something. Bush and Reagan had more investigations of them than any other president/VP team in our history, and there was not enough evidence to prosecute a goddamned thing, especially after Bush pardoned all the Iran/Contra figures who could have been forced to testify against him. There was no secret knowledge Clinton had that would have but BushCo in jail.

Clinton didn't roll over, he performed miracles for our side considering what he had to work with, and if you don't understand how much he accomplished, then you don't understand government, politics, America, liberalism, or any other goddamn thing. That goofy-assed fantasy that he could prosecuted Bush and won some sense of approval from the public and used that approval to force America to do what it refused to do is delusional. It causes harm, and does NOTHING to help us.

I used to think the Republicans were the enemy. Now I get it. Liberals and progressives fail because too damn many of them are too fucking stupid to understand when they are winning. They want people who tell them they are pretty rather than people who get things done. We deserve Obama, because we like crying about what we didn't get more than actually getting as much as we want. If he loses we can cry, if he wins we can scream "BETRAYAL!" when he governs like his voting record.

Clinton accomplished more for liberals than anyone since LBJ, and before that, FDR. And he did it without getting us into another Viet Nam, even though he was being pressured to. Smoke that for a while.

[blm]

73. You have TOTALLY FORGOTTEN about the release of BCCI report in Dec 1992 that REQUESTED

further scrutiny and documents - BILL WOULD NOT DO IT.

YOU are the one hanging your hat on all the excuses to AVOID the basic truths that Bill COVERED UP for GHWBush AND his benefactor Jackson Stephens.

You think Dubai and Saudi royals are paying him by the tens of millions for a few deals he's helping with NOW? HAHAH. They are paying him off for all those years of protecting THEIR asses, too, on BCCI.

And besides, the CIA drugrunning report that came out in 1996 should have RE-OPENED IranContra, but Bill wasn't cooperating much on that, eother, was he?

So YOU stick with the privileged and their secrecy, THAT is the side you excuse and defend - and you needn't disrupt YOUR fantasy world to accept the duties of citizenship.

I will stick with Open Government that sides with the citizenry in their duty to PROTECT our right to accountability.

[blm]

26. If Bill Clinton WANTED to fight DADT, he'd have set up a War Room like he did for NAFTA.

and instead he refused to fight and signed DADT eagerly.

Funny - no War Room was set up for healthcare debate, either, but NAFTA got full court press. strange, eh?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. None for addressing global warming and alternative energy either.

Had to save all that energy for screwing American workers and impoverishing Latin America.

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. Wow! It's an endorsement extravaganza!!!.......

:woohoo:

[Bluebear]

11. Boren and Nunn. Homophobes for Obama! Whee!

:eyes:

[dionysus]

16. you're a one trick pony aren't you...

[SoxFan]

28. Bluebear is a one-issue wonder

[Bluebear]

29. You know nothing about me. Nothing.

I am a progressive man with a long standing here. We live and work within minutes of each other, you even could have sought me out for an Obama meetup or something. But that's not how you operate. You accused me of working for Clinton, and every since have been berating me. It's a shame. I will now put you on ignore and you do the same for me, wishing it had been different for a fellow NHite.

[book_worm]

32. and if they endorsed Hillary what would you have to say?

[Bluebear]

33. Homophobes for Hillary! Disgraceful!!!

That's what I would say.

Then again, I am not thrilled with either Clinton or Edwards. But on principle, if Clinton were my candidate, yes, I would say the same thing and say "keep your endorsement".

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Hi book_worm....

Would you let "Ignored" know that I have no interest in what he/she has to say? Thank you.

[Bluebear]

48. Talk about passive aggressive

[democrat2thecore]

49. Boren - a homophobe? That shows what you don't know! ;-) -----NT-

[QC]

62. It's possible to be both homo and homophobe. Just ask J. Edgar Hoover. n/t

[tokenlib]

10. That is three big endorsements for the day...

..not SD's, but powerful just the same. Shows national security trust in Obama. And with Reich--another who knows Hillary well decides to abandon her.

[nichomachus]

12. Oh crap! Sam Nunn is a corporatist's corporatist

Sam is scum

[Bluebear]

14. It doesn't matter here, as long as it's a "number"

Shame, ain't it?

[BlueIdaho]

31. Yeah

God forbid we allow for a diversity of thought and belief in the Democratic party. As Democrats we've got to get out of the business of celebrating differences and respecting diversity. We need to be more like the pubbies - more litmus tests - more litmus tests - more litmus tests!

[Bluebear]

34. There's no room for homophobia or racism in the party, for instance.

It's called principle. Boren and Nunn are two homophobes, not "diverse".

[SoonerPride]

53. DAVID BOREN IS NOT A FUCKING HOMOPHOBE.

Nunn might be. But DAVID Boren isn't.

You are wrong.

[democrat2thecore]

55. More wrong than he can begin to realize... ;-)

[SoonerPride]

58. I'm from Oklahoma and, uh, believe me, Boren is, um, well, not a homophobe

The same poster earlier today linked to DAN Boren (nephew) and his voting record on gay rights issues. DAN Boren doesn't have such a great voting record.

But DAN isn't DAVID.

I tried to, er, set him, er, straight, on the matter.

To no avail.

And if you know the, er, rumors, about ol' David Boren, well, enough said.

[cali]

65. I've never seen one thing from you that indicates you give a shit

about racism. Nothing.

[underpants]

17. He also was/is one of the main proponents of securing loose Soviet nukes

I'm not arguing with you but I think this comes more from Obama at least mentioning that we still need to secure nuke in the former Soviet Union.

[nichomachus]

19. Or it may come

from him wanting to "spank" the Clintons once again. Don't forget, Sam is the Democrat who engineered Bill Clinton's first policy defeat as president.

[underpants]

22. Okay yes good point

I think there are all kinds of sides in the party who see this as the last chance to ward off the DLC types. Basically the same situation the Republicans faced in 2000 when they failed to stop the neo-con power grab.

[SoxFan]

30. "DLC types"

Clinton crowd does not equal DLC.

Carville, Begala, and Ickes all hate the DLC but are among Clinton's worst sycophants.

Sebelius, Napolitano, and Nunn are all allied with the DLC but are strong Obama supporters.

[CottonBear]

24. Speaking as a Georgia Democrat, I'll take Sam Nunn over Chambliss & Isakson any day.

I know Nunn is a conservative Democrat, but most Georgia Democrats are conservative Democrats.

I'd give anything to go back to the time when Georgia was the most progressive Southern Democratic state. We are now a Republican controlled state sliding backwards into the past while our economy, our environemnt and our school system suffers.

Nunn's endorsement will help Obama in Georgia and other Southern states.

edit: My support for Nunn's Obama endorsement does not mean that I support Nunn's homophobic views.

[democrat2thecore]

56. Amen, Amen and AMEN -nt

[Scurrilous]

36. K & R

:thumbsup:

[reflection]

38. As I said in an earlier post

I would run through a wall to vote for an Obama/Nunn ticket. Too bad Nunn has ruled out the VP slot. :(

[ScarletSniper]

41. KICK!!!!

[Carrieyazel]

42. Endorsements haven't made a damn bit of difference, and these won't either.

Both would have endorsed a Democrat anyway, and Hillary looks like toast anyhow.

[Inuca]

43. VERY interesting

Nunn and Boren were the main players in the bi-partisan group that was supposed to prop up Bloomberg. or so the political gossip went. They were the main organizaers of the a meeting in Oklahoma last december. Among other participants, off the top of my head, Bloomberg (of course), Gary Hart, Hagel, Susan Eisenhower (emforsed Obama a while back), Bill Cohen, etc.

Edited to add: "Nunn and Boren have accepted Senator Obama’s invitation to serve as advisers to his National Security Foreign Policy Team. ". That's pretty damn good in terms in national security credentials. http://thepage.time.com/endorsement-statements-of-former-sens-nunn-boren-for-obama-2/

[ORDem]

44. knr

:kick:

[Raine]

46. TERRIFIC!!!

CONGRATULATIONS to Obama!!!! :bounce:

[democrat2thecore]

50. Huge endorsements for natl. security creds. This will move some superdelegates

Both of them have strong national security credentials and are very well respected by those within the beltway. As for moving superdelegates - these are BIG endorsements.

[WillyT]

51. Yeah...

:kick:

[question everything]

52. I remember nasty comments on Nunn on DU

back in 2004 when we were considering who would be Kerry running mate.

But, hey, as long as he says the "right" things, right?
:sarcasm:

[democrat2thecore]

54. He's tough on national security - Clinton would have LOVED both of those endorsements -nt

[lastliberalintexas]

68. But that's soooo 2004

So many things have changed since then, you know.


I don't think the Nunn endorsement reflects poorly on Obama, but I wouldn't exactly be proud of it I were him or one of his supporters.

[question everything]

72. Agree. It soes not reflect poorly on Obama

I am just amused by the happy welcome that Nunn is getting on DU.

[democrat2thecore]

60. The Atlantic Magazine's take on the endorsements (link inside)

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/boren_nunn_endorse_obama.php

[OneDemsConscience]

66. Mark Ambinder Does Not Represent the Atlantic

He represents his neocon self.

David Brooks wants Nunn to be Obama's VP choice......let's hope Obama is listening and rules out Nunn immediately.

[ulysses]

71. Nunn's for Obama?

:wow:

Didn't expect that. He's still an ass, but ok.