Another Coup By HRC; She Loses BOTH MoveOn AND FDL In One Fell Swoop

[SoFlaJet]

Hillary Clinton Attacks MoveOn
By: Jane Hamsher Friday April 18, 2008 2:30 pm


photo by Daniella Zalcman
The Huffington Post headline reads "Hillary Slams Democratic Activists." I'm being told that Hillary Clinton was caught on tape disparaging Barack Obama because he's being supported by MoveOn, and that they opposed military action in Afghanistan.

I've tried to stay out of the pie fights of late, but as a long-term defender of MoveOn and other progressive organizations -- this is completely unacceptable.

I defended Hillary Clinton when she refused to bow to right wing pressure and condemn MoveOn over the "General Betrayus" ad (and was sad when she finally capitulated). MoveOn are valuable progressive partners, who have been with us on Donna Edwards, net neutrality, trying to bring an end to the war, FISA and other issues we've been fighting for.

They've accepted the challenge of organizing the left in the virtual arena and done an amazing job that the right struggles to replicate. They now have 3 million members, of which I'm one. And their skill at online organization and movement building has developed a model that both of the Democratic candidates have been able to replicate and learn from, acting as a democratizing influence and making candidates more responsive to the public at large and less to high dollar donors.

MoveOn didn't oppose military action in Afghanistan but I did. Not because I thought it was the wrong thing to do but because I was quite certain George Bush would bungle it and we'd just wind up spending billions on a bunch of junk that would make his buddies rich and a lot of poor people in the poorest country in the world would die senselessly. And I was right.

Does Hillary Clinton not want my vote either?

[grasswire]

1. moveon lost me about 6 months ago

...and many others.

[trumad]

2. many others...

snarf.

[grasswire]

14. I guess you missed the chatter about it. (eom)

[Texas Hill Country]

4. more like 8-10... and guess what, most of the center could care less about move on.

just saying...


and I wanna hear the slam. i want some context and not inflammatory speculation. this is a bullshit release... they should have waited.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

146. The "center" needs to pull its head out of its collective ass

And stop supporting namby-pamby panderers who give the neocons everything they want and let the plutocrats screw the working class.

What the hell has Republican Lite done for you lately?

[Maribelle]

32. MoveOn's dishonesty floored me.

And they went downhill from there.

[Citizen_Penn]

80. Dishonesty floored you?

Really, with that avatar dishonesty is a problem for you?

Really?

[Exultant Democracy]

101. "Really?" is the right question.

[Maribelle]

107. Personal Attacks are against DU rules. Please do not support them.

[Maribelle]

106. Personal Attacks are against DU rules -

[democracy1st]

153. you really are acting like a rightwinger

[roguevalley]

66. I support Moveon. Hillary needs to go on vacation. The wheels are

coming off her.

[OzarkDem]

76. Me, too

Its one thing to help Democrats, but they turned into a destructive force.

[wrando]

100. I took my money and left

They had the nerve to try and coax me back

they are idiots

it's about the money and they screwed up

bill from ct

[jbm]

121. they lost me as well..n/t

.

[krkaufman]

142. What did MoveOn do 6 months ago to lose you? n/t

[krawhitham]

144. Endorsed someone not named Clinton

[krkaufman]

147. No, that can't be it. n/t

[krawhitham]

143. funny, you weren't missed

[gateley]

3. I'll wait until there's an actual tape before I can answer your question. nt

[DevonRex]

89. Link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.html

[gateley]

105. Thanks -- NOW I can get pissed!

(It's not worth the effort if the story isn't accurate :7)

[Arugula Latte]

5. Hillary Lieberman Clinton

[Kittycat]

7. Hillary Lieberman McSame is more like it.

[jazzjunkysue]

36. Exactly. It used to be, to win, you went GOP. Now, to win, you pretend Dem

and sell your soul to the GOP without actually putting an R after your name.

Completely illegitimate, irresponsible, immoral, and guaranteed to backfire on you on the next go around.

[cbayer]

50. Did you read the article on Huffpo!?!?!

OMG, how could she have done that! :sarcasm:

[slinkerwink]

6. can you link the hamsher post?

[SoFlaJet]

11. It's weird

it's already gone...I copied and pasted it-honest I wouldn't make something up like that and waste a GD-P thread on it. Maybe somebody could find it who is smarter than me.

[L0oniX]

12. ...

[TahitiNut]

115. Here...

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[Oreo]

8. Link?

Please?

[DevonRex]

86. Here it is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.html

[Vinca]

9. She actually made a statement in a speech she gave this afternoon

that trashed Obama "and his supporters." I wonder if this is what is being referred to or if there is more than one incident. That pretty much does it for Hill.

[Coexist]

26. FDL doesn't have it up, so it must be from a speech

[krkaufman]

148. Hillary's MoveOn trashing was from February

First words in HuffPost article... "At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, ..."

So any recent comments are distinct trashings.

[gaiilonfong]

10. Well if she lost FDL

that is it .....that is the LAST neutral prominent blog AND it is run by women....and really SMART articulate woman who are tough....Hillary is such a monster!

[cbayer]

13. I just went to Huffpo

The headline is there but it links to nothing.

[SoFlaJet]

18. I had it up at the top cbayer

and when I went back TO it and went to click on the title to copy a link for this thread poof it was gone-very strange-maybe Jane and Kristy had second thoughts...

[Arrowhead2k1]

20. I think they're working on it.

Maybe they think this is a HUGE story? I hope so. :D

[SoFlaJet]

25. It's a red headline at HP

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/-but again, no story and not even a quick read

[KittyWampus]

Here you go girlfriend!

At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party -- and MoveOn.org in particular -- for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had "flooded" state caucuses and "intimidated" her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.
"Moveon.org endorsed -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and It's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

[SoFlaJet]

90. she is clearly losing it

when you attack the base-the very same people who helped put her where she is today. Well here it is folks, this is the moment Hillary Clinton has ****OFFICIALLY****jumped the proverbial shark. She is DONE.

[KittyWampus]

94. now we know what Hillary really thinks of grassroots. All she gives a shit about are big-money

people.

[SoFlaJet]

98. Bravely, Jane came back up

with her OP and stuck to her guns-this is it CS, this is the exact point in time where HRC loses this election-watch...this is an historic moment

[cbayer]

23. Perhaps because they were having a knee jerk reaction to a headline.

There is no story on Huffpo. There are over 300 comments in response to the headline and no story. It is really odd.

[Scurrilous]

15. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Arrowhead2k1]

16. Completely alienate the Liberal base of her own party?

This is her winning strategy?! :crazy:

[cbayer]

52. Did you read the Huffpo piece!?!?!?

OMG, I can't believe she has sunk so far! :sarcasm:

[KoKo]

122. Here's link to Jane Hamsher's post at Firedoglake and read the Comments...

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[cbayer]

140. I posted what you are responding to during the period of no information.

This was a very interesting event. There were people taking hard stands before the Huffpo piece was posted and after the FDL post had been taken down.

It was really interesting to watch unfold. I was responding the the DU poster who took a stand before he saw what was really going on. The FDL poster did the same, but had the foresight to take it down.

[NJSecularist]

17. She's doing such a good job uniting the party....

The Republican party, that is.

[cbayer]

19. There are eight recommendations on a story that is not even there.

Doesn't that strike you as bizarre? Doesn't that strike anyone as really, really telling about the amount of thought people are giving these issues?

Wow, just wow.

[SoFlaJet]

21. it was there cb-I copied and pasted it

where it went to I do not friggin know

[cbayer]

31. You didn't do anything wrong SoFla. I'm not trying to slam you.

Something really weird is going on. The comments on the Huffpo site are pretty funny. Where did you get the letter that you cited? Did you ever see an actual Huffpo piece?

I am wondering if this is some kind of stunt to just show how people will react to a headline. My comments have to do with the people that are recommending your OP without ever trying to find out more about this.

[SoFlaJet]

34. no I got it from Firedoglake

I happened to go there and saw and copied and pasted it here b/c I knew it was big friggin news-it came right off the top of their site minutes ago

[cbayer]

41. I think they deleted when they saw there was no actual story on Huffpo.

It's a fascinating process to watch unfold though. You are just an unwitting participant.

[PM7nj]

51. Probably... what is HuffPo doing?

This is really Drudge-like. Either they have something and are trying to confirm, gather info, etc... or they are making themselves look like idiots.

[Oreo]

22. Hamsher deleted her post

It was on FireDogLake but got deleted

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22I%27ve+tried+to+stay+out+of+the+pie+fights+of+late%22+%2Bhamsher&btnG=Google+Search

[crispini]

24. Now THAT is weird.

The internet doesn't forget anything you throw out there, though.

[SoFlaJet]

27. well then I'm glad I happened to catch it

and preserve it for eternity here at DU

[Oreo]

30. Exactly...

Good catch

[cbayer]

67. Are you the same Oreo that posted this at dkos?

I think a lot of people may be getting played.

[americanstranger]

55. It's up on dKos, too.

So at least you can be sure you didn't just imagine it. :D

- as

[SoFlaJet]

56. no I knew I didn't just step off into Crazyland

it was there and I wouldn't make something like this up

[cbayer]

65. The dkos post refers back to your OP.

And the poster has the same name as someone who posts here.

The letter was up at FDL at one point, that's been proven. The rest of this is just being built around an empty headline at Huffpo and your OP, as far as I can tell.

[SoFlaJet]

68. I wonder if I should edit it out

out of respect to Jane-a true and great democrat-or if I even still could?

[cbayer]

78. If she took it down, she might want you to take it down.

I couldn't speak for her, but I think she may have realized that she spoke too soon without having any real information to back up her letter.

[americanstranger]

70. I wouldn't accuse you of that, SFJ.

As a fellow Jets fan, I trust in your honesty. :)

- as

[SoFlaJet]

72. thank you and

go J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

[cbayer]

61. The dkos post is the letter from this OP and links back to this OP.

There is still no story on Huffpo. The original letter was deleted from the FDL site and many of the comments on the Huffpo site are being scrubbed. I think it's a trick to show how people will react.

[americanstranger]

62. I think we're stuck in a feedback loop.

Could someone please toggle the input? :)

Seriously, though. I think the dKos poster had it up and then noticed it was deleted and linked here to show that they didn't imagine it over there.

Odd.

- as

[cbayer]

73. Nope, the dkos post was 15 minutes after this OP.

It is a definite feedback loop and I hope someone does an analysis of it.

[SoFlaJet]

77. OK HP now has this up

and Jane's (now gone) response was to this...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.html

[americanstranger]

87. Oh, not good.

Why does Hillary hate democracy?

- as

[cbayer]

92. Actually I think her response was to the headline.

She may re-post it after she actually reads the article, but I suspect she realized she had acted prematurely. Interestingly, they took down all of the comments at Huffpo.

The whole event was really fascinating, though.

[TahitiNut]

116. Here it is ...

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[KoKo]

120. That does it.....it's not Hillary's trashing of "Move On" but here trashing of FDL...and her buddy

Schumer must agree with her because back in '06..I posted on DU a Press Conference where a reporter asked him about the "Left of the Dem Party" and how they were pushing Congress over their agenda...and Schumer's reply...is dismissive, snarky tone was: "When they push...we push back." He then turned his attention away from the reporter.

That's it Hillary...she's DONE! I can't defend a thing she says after this one... She's just like her buddy "CHUCKIE" the "do nothing" but "bloviate."

Neither would ever hold anyone accountable for the most egregious of trashing of our Country and our Constitution, BOR's. DONE..!

[TahitiNut]

129. The subtext of "who ya gonna vote for?" pervades this episode and others.

This is the struggle for control over the Democratic party - since the corporatists now own the GOP lock, stock, and barrel. The strategy has been evident for decades. For every 'centrist' threatening to vote GOP, it takes TWO 'leftists' to threaten to sit out or vote Green. THIS is why the venom and vitriol is so over-the-top against anyone who has the temerity to vote Nader ... remembering when the New Deal actually represented the working class. THIS is why so many people are disaffected (independents) and, not willing to swim through the muck and spin, take refuge in "they're all alike."

I continue to assert that the working class feels caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. They turn to their bosses - working for that promotion or merit increase - and buy into the bullshit about "trickle down" and think that may be the best way to improve their economic lot in life. It's a long-established 'rule' in corporate life that the way to get ahead is work to get your boss promoted. The 'bargain' is premised in the mistaken view that 'loyalty' is a virtue that's rewarded. (Sadly, there is no virtue in seeking rewards.)

I only need look at the Perot campaign to know how the working class - especially blue collar (my roots) - buys into the 'trickle down' snake oil being peddled by those with insatiable appetites. Hell... I see it far too often even on DU, regurgitating the same old crap about how increasing the capital gains tax is somehow a "Bad Thing." What utter noxious nonsense!

(Sigh.) But all someone has to do is snap the whip of SCOTUS and 'social wedge issues' and everyone gets in line for more bitter ail.

[KoKo]

134. How many "working class folks" have enough stock or assets to worry about "Capital Gains Tax"

yet with that and the "Inheritance (or as Repugs say: Death Tax) TAX they somehow feel they are part of the "entitled" who will be hit the same as Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or the rest of the "GANG IN CHARGE."

Goes back to Frank's Book: "What's the Matter with Kansas" that Obama was clumsy in his "Bitter Speech" trying to explain as badly as he put it.

[KoKo]

124. dupe

[KoKo]

125. Here's Jane's Post (CURRENT) at FIREDOGLAKE...about this:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[LSK]

28. when was move-on founded?

[PM7nj]

33. '97 or '98

No one payed attention to them back then.

[PA Democrat]

39. In 1998 in response to the Lewinsky scandal.

They circulated a petition to censure then president Bill Clinton then "move on" rather than go through the long, drawn out ordeal of impeachment proceedings.

[Maribelle]

29. In all honesty, MoveOn moved on to be an Obama activists.

Perhaps we could start by getting rid of the charade. Perhaps we could point out that MoveOn has worked to thwart Hillary's campaign. I find Jan Hamsher's dishonesty totally disgusting.

[PassingFair]

53. MoveOn did more work locally for John Kerry then the "coordinated offices" of the...

Democratic Party did.

If you think MoveOn was formed to repel the Clintons,
you have TUNNEL VISION.

MoveOn is made up of activists against the war,
it shouldn't surprise anyone that the ended up
endorsing a candidate who didn't authorize it.

[Voice for Peace]

113. Didn't they take a vote of Moveon members to see whom to endorse?

[WillyT]

35. Looks Like It's A Breaking Story...

They may have pulled the original article to update it, or flesh it out further.

But something is developing...

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

:shrug:

[cbayer]

45. It's been *developing * for over an hour

Did you read the comments on Huffpo? Some people think they are being played. Others are actually reacting to the headline like there was a story behind it. Very, very telling, if you ask me.

[WillyT]

47. At This Point, Nothing Will Surprise Me

:shrug:

[SoFlaJet]

49. I even tried posting it there cb

in two different back to back posts and then even put up a link and said "go here HPers" with a link to THIS thread all 3 never showed up-or disappeared as soon as they were read by mods...

[cbayer]

54. I saw one linking back to this OP.

Is it gone now? There is something really fishy going on, but I think people are being played. Interesting that they are closely moderating something that doesn't even exist.

[Voice for Peace]

114. maybe they're having website problems.

[KoKo]

128. Here's Jane's Post...CURRENT from Firedoglake..with comments...

Jane's Post at Firedoglake and Comments...here UP NOW...and still there at:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attac...

[WillyT]

135. Thank You !!!

:hi:

[tigereye]

37. Move On are great, I did some work for them in the last elections

but I thought the Gen Petraeus thing was a mis-step.


Hillary lost great support when they decided to back Obama. It's a shame. I for one am very tired of the mud-slinging.


I just got an anti-Hillary robo call - that's the first one I've heard.

[cbayer]

38. Still no story on Huffpo, but 456 comments and your OP has 11 recommendations.

Anyone here feel like a lab rat?

[PM7nj]

40. Reminds me of Drudge Report...

Big red letters with DEVELOPING and no story... we'll see. I've never seen HuffPost do anything like this before.

[Maribelle]

42. How about producing the tape that Hillary was caught on? Is that too much to ask?

[AllentownJake]

43. Did she ever have them

To begin with.

[butterfly77]

44. I think that she doesn't realize that...

the longer that this goes on that she is damaging her own image. I was a former supporter but she just keeps taking it to the limit..

[SoFlaJet]

46. wow this is turning into quite the coup here at DU

the thing vanished into cyberspace-kind of like saying something you wish you didn't say and wish you could go back in time and not say it...

[BlooInBloo]

48. DU Clinton Supporters'll stay with her tho! They NEVER change their minds!

:rofl:

[Citizen_Penn]

82. Assuming a mind was issued nt.

[cbayer]

97. Welcome to DU.

Your table is over here. See the one that says "I hate Clinton and all her supporters"? Yes, that's the one.

[PM7nj]

57. AmericaBlog: "...you won't be pleased when you find out what she said."

http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/huff-post-hillary-slams-democratic.html

This is very odd. Do they have anything, or are they all full of shit?

[americanstranger]

81. In the comments

Aravosis says that the story is embargoed because it's HuffPo's story, but he knows what the story is and can't say anything about it.

- as

[LowerManhattanite]

58. Jane pulled her post...

But unfortunately, not before someone at DKos snagged it via copy & paste:

The internet doesn't seem to forget—even after you've managed to hit delete.

Jinkies.

(Edited out of respect for Ms. Hamsher's wish to re-think the words.)

[SoFlaJet]

60. we caught it here

good timing to happen to go there-she has the right to retract what she said-hope you're not mad at me Jane-I still love ya and all the good work you've done...sorry if I screwed you up here-SFJ

[slinkerwink]

63. it's just weird, the whole story development

[LowerManhattanite]

69. I would imagine there are a LOT of peak-time minutes being burned up ...

...as people are trying to either massage, explain or kill this story.

Interesting to say the very least.

[SoFlaJet]

74. Obviously Jane wrote it

posted it, and then said what the fuck am I doing and deleted it

[TahitiNut]

117. It's on FireDogLake right here ...

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[KoKo]

126. I just went over to FIREDOGLAKE...here's Jane's Post with the comments:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[Straight Shooter]

59. Yeah, losing MoveOn's support is a real heartbreaker.

There's nothing quite like slamming generals to get the moderates to vote Dem. :sarcasm:

[KoKo]

123. Jane Hamsher's Post at Firedoglake...about this...and the comments at:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

[Straight Shooter]

150. That is a disingenuous assessment by Jane Hamsher.

Hillary Clinton voted no to condemn, specifically citing the right of MoveOn to publish the ad under the First Amendment. She took a lot of heat from the right wing. Obama did not even vote, he merely brushed it off as "silly," which of course it isn't "silly" to take a stand one way or the other, considering the uproar the ad caused.

Hillary has every right to condemn the sentiment expressed in the ad itself, but she still staunchly defended the right of MoveOn to publish the ad. Not a peep from Obama, the so-called Constitutional expert.

I personally thought the ad was in poor taste, despite my contempt for Petraeus behaving as a sycophant to bush. It is my opinion that such an ad lowers the tone of discourse in America, which is one of my main gripes about how Republicans operate; e.g., purple bandaids at their Convention. When the GOP publicly criticizes or mocks someone who wears or has worn the uniform because they fall out of line, the Democrats condemn that type of behavior. We don't need to do it ourselves just because it pacifies our anger.

[cbayer]

64. Still no story on Huffpo, but 760 comments.

Now a story on dkos linking back to this OP. This is really pretty funny.

[DearAbby]

71. Waiting and wondering....Bump...n/t

[Elidor]

84. The story is up now

At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party -- and MoveOn.org in particular -- for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had "flooded" state caucuses and "intimidated" her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.

"Moveon.org endorsed -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and It's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Listen to the audio below:



Hillary is whining. I thought Obama was supposed to be the wimp.

[DearAbby]

102. Thanks, very revealing.......n/t

[ErinBerin84]

75. Guys

Story's up now on Huffington Post...she blames party activists for her caucus losses (intimidation!) and such.

[DearAbby]

103. She's complaining because People

who are MoveOn Members are actually motivated in making changes. :shrug: That's a bad thing? By the way...We had a caucus in our state, I never felt intimidated. What bullshit.

[cbayer]

79. Huffpo has finally put up the actual article. nt.

[DevonRex]

83. It's up. Here's the link.

link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.html

[LowerManhattanite]

85. Jane's back on record with her post...

...and it's the same post and she ends it the same way:

“Does Hillary Clinton not want my vote either?”

HuffPo has the audio.

I'm uh...gonna sit back and watch this one play out. Ouch.

[PM7nj]

88. That's it?

It isn't really anything new. We have heard this same crap from her campaign and herself before. Other than her lie about MoveOn not supporting the Afghanistan war, a lie that Rove made up, I don't think this is anything new.

[ErinBerin84]

91. I agree

nothing new.

[LowerManhattanite]

93. The parroting of Rove may have been the ol' camel back's straw...

Remember how Olbermann trained his guns after Senator Clinton's supposed “playing the fear card” ala Rudy.

[PM7nj]

96. Yea, I think that is the worst part...

The rest is just her whining.

[americanstranger]

99. But if FDL is considering bailing on HRC,

that ain't good news. They're one of the few A-List blogs left that still back Clinton.

Could be bad.

- as

[PM7nj]

104. The comments aren't pretty.

Most of the people commenting on FDL are pretty upset, a lot are downright pissed. I don't know if this will hurt her in PA or any other state though. The only way it could hurt her is if the "activists" still left on her side stopped volunteering and donating.

[KoKo]

130. Here's Jane's full post on Firedoglake..and the Comments....

Jane's Post at Firedoglake and Comments...here UP NOW...and still there at:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attac...

[mrJJ]

95. Clinton Audio tape is online

Its up & online at www.huffingtonpost.com

[Maribelle]

108. Ha ha ha - Hillary was speaking about what actually happend.

I've heard it first hand how folks at caucuses were bullied by Obama's followers. Everyone knowz MoveOn types flooded the caucus.

[americanstranger]

118. 'MoveOn types?'

So we can count you as agreeing with Hillary that party activists are a bad thing.

Duly noted.

- as

[TML]

109. Hillary just lost the nomination

There is NO WAY the superdelegates will give her the vote now. No freaking way. :bounce:

[redqueen]

110. FDL too?

:wtf:

What did THEY do to piss her off?

[boppers]

111. Wow. This is gonna be good.

:popcorn:

[knixphan]

112. 'When kitchen sinks go wrong...'

[KoKo]

119. Well...NOW she's done it ....Stepped her foot in it..and Jane Hamsher and FDL...were one of the last

of the "neutral sites" about Hillary. She's DONE...she's finished. She can't start shooting off guns everywhere and not expect to hit some "supporters" with the ammunition.

She's finished..she's done.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

127. Screw 'em. What have they ever done for her.

:shrug:

[KoKo]

131. They and "WE" could have done alot for her...if she'd cared about us..

this latest sounds like Schumer and Pelosi's comments telling the "Activists" to get lost...we don't need no "dirty hippies" 'round here. :-(

[Lone_Star_Dem]

132. I do really understand that.

I was just posting sort of tongue-in-cheek. I tend to have a distorted sense of humor when I've been tossed to the wayside once again.

[KoKo]

137. It's sad she doesn't remember what Salon Mag, Joe Conason/Gene Lyons and those of us who

supported Bill and Hillary through MonicaGate suffered losing friends and family members in our support. We were the ones who eventually worked to build the "Grass Roots" for the Dem Party. Do Bill & Hillary live in a "Glass Bubble" and think they survived because of BOB BENNETT's LEGAL EXPERTISE in getting BILL OFF?

Sheesh...Like STAB IN THE BACK TWICE! And, I'm not an Obama Supporter...so you can understand how pissed off I am...

[NC_Nurse]

133. Amazing considering MoveOn was started to defend against the attempt

to impeach and prosecute her husband over his lies about the affair. They brought a lot
of pressure to bear on Congress to censure and MOVE ON - hence the name of the group.

Talk about a Judas....:eyes:

[KoKo]

136. It's very hard to find any stretch of the imagination to defend Hillary on this....

and "Judas" does come to mind...although HillarY never seemed to care about us Dem Activits...just like the rest of her Senate Comrades.. :-( I was still willing to remain neutral on her until the last states had voted...but this is the last straw.

[McCamy Taylor]

138. She lost MOveOne long ago, so what difference does it make?

[LowerManhattanite]

139. It's not just about “losing” MoveOn...

Her being angry about that I can understand somewhat. Even her holding a grudge.

That's human nature—especially when one considers the irony of how MoveOn came to be.

It was originally called “Censure and Move On”—founded as a bulwark against the evils of Ken Starr's vendetta against Bill Clinton.

What is exceptionally heinous (not her “whining” to supporters, and that's exactly what it was) is her slandering a progressive FORCE with a straight-out-of-Karl-Rove's-mouth lie. Her bitter, 'how could they'-ish line about MoveOn “not supporting Afghan intervention” was a lie that Rove himself has repeatedly used to pillory the group.

Her trotting that out to her fat cats at that fund-raiser as some sort of “I'm not with them” bona fides makes one wonder about just who that financial base is and WHY SUCH A ROVIAN SENTIMENT WOULD BE FIGURED TO “PLAY” WITH THEM.

Jane Hamsher, who has been decidedly and quite fairly, NOT anti-Hillary said this last fall to Elizabeth Edwards:

“So here’s the rule. You never repeat right wing talking points to attack your own, ever. You never enter that echo chamber as a participant. Ever. You never give them a hammer to beat the left with. Just. Don’t. Do. It.”

Nuff' Said.

[KoKo]

141. Good Point........since Jane has been very fair to be so neutal..

one does wonder why Hillary would make such a statement at a fundraiser...whether she was angry, rightfully at MoveOn for their coming out early for Obama, or not. Who was she trying to impress.

But, why did this recording surface right now...when she appeared at the fundraiser just after Super Tuesday. :shrug:

[caligirl]

145. a strong possibility here in a comment from a thread on this at dkos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/205925/720/698/498659

It's like the way the Republican right (3+ / 0-)



reframed social justice issues in the late 60s and 70s to be about crime and menace. The Clinton campaign is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the Democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is critical that we don't overreact in ways that allow her campaign to exploit that meme. At the same, we need not be passive. Believe me, their success absolutely depends on our overreaction.

there seems to be a victim strategy a foot tonight in the Clinton camp.

[Straight Shooter]

151. "“So here’s the rule. You never repeat right wing talking points to attack your own, ever. "

Obama, at beginning of campaign, speaking of Hillary Clinton: "She'll say anything."

I guess the rules only apply to Hillary.

[Arrowhead2k1]

149. Taylor Marsh is trying to brush this off like nothing now.

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HuffPo Catches Hillary Dissing MoveOn

From the gigantic red letters and extremely unflattering photo of Hillary on the front page of Huffington Post today, you might have thought a security camera had caught her raiding the First National Bank of Scranton. But no. Turns out that a couple of months ago, she said a few things about certain liberal activists, particularly MoveOn, that were not entirely nice. Particularly about some tactics involved during the caucus contests.

Yep, thats all it is. On the audio, her voice is calm and her thoughts are quite reasonable. What a big load of nothing. And besides, as MoveOn does not exactly have a great reputation among the public at large, a Hillary vs MoveOn storyline might not be that bad. Personally, I think HuffPo might be in a bit of a panic that Hillary could win decisively in PA.

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http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27449
:rofl:

[SoFlaJet]

152. so the porn princess says

move along, MoveOn...nothing to see here