HILLARY using MOVE-ON.ORG as her SISTER SOULJAH wink wink to MODERATE DEMS IN PA? Do not help!

[FrenchieCat]

Maybe she leaked this to communicate to the moderate voters (the Guns/Gay/God) rural voters that she is no liberal, and will not succumb to the fringe elements of the party?

You know, her wink wink moment that she will not be doing Move On Org's bidding when she gets in office?

Personally, that's what I think. It helps her with Whites in Indiana and North Carolina. MOVE ON.ORG is being used as "code" by her to the more moderate wing of the party.

Because it is odd that the "Screw 'em" Rural Whites comments that she made have not hit very hard, but this seems to be getting more coverage.

I say we let this sink.

I say we understand in our heart that she doesn't give a fuck about us.

But I say that we don't argue the issue and give it any prominence. Just spread it quietly.

Wink-Wink.

FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SISTER SOULJA MOMENT THAT HAS BEEN CREDITED IN HELPING BILL CLINTON GET ELECTED, HERE:

In United States politics, a Sister Souljah moment is a politician's public repudiation of an allegedly extremist person or group, statement, or position perceived to have some association with the politician or their party. Such an act of repudiation is designed to signal to centrist voters that the politician is not beholden to traditional, and sometimes unpopular, interest groups associated with the party, although such a repudiation runs the risk of alienating some of the politician's allies and the party's base voters.
MORE....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Souljah_moment

[FrenchieCat]

1. Do not be outraged....just quietly pissed.

Hillary is not slick.

She ain't fooling me.

[caligirl]

83. Hey Frenchie Cat your on to something here. Agree let it pass. Howard

Wolfson appears to be embracing the tape recording. His response is leading many to ask if the Clinton camp is looking for a sympathy moment concocted out of this, more victim strategy. Should the blogosphere react to this it would in turn be used much like what we saw in NH.

So let this slide. Besides anyone who reads will learn Move-on was created to stand by her man when no one else would.(you know).

comment from Kos thread and there are many who feel this way there.

"It's like the way the Republican right (3+ / 0-)


reframed social justice issues in the late 60s and 70s to be about crime and menace. The Clinton campaign is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the Democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is critical that we don't overreact in ways that allow her campaign to exploit that meme. At the same, we need not be passive. Believe me, their success absolutely depends on our overreaction."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/205925/720/698/498659

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

84. she was with Maya Angelou today in Winston Salem NC

so I'm not sure this moveon thing was leaked on purpose.

I think Angelou has a class or two she teaches at Wake Forest University
here in Winston Salem NC.

I didn't go, although its not far for me. (15 minutes)

[FrenchieCat]

90. I don't think that Hillary would "need" to be anywhere in particular in order for an audio

to be leaked.

Are you making any sense? :shrug:

[Diane R]

2. I've wondered this, too.

[Voice for Peace]

47. I had the same thought.

She needs to give it up, though. It's not going to win her the nomination.

[FrenchieCat]

71. Well yeah....but she has to do something, it appears.

If we don't respond, maybe she won't have a Plan B.

[Guaranteed]

3. Very perceptive.

I think you're right. Good post.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Thanks.

She knows that this will start an uproar on the Net, and that the media will pick it up.

She wants to be conservative, because the Progressive primaries are over.

We need all OBama supporters on the same page.

Her wink wink needs to be widely ignored.

Move-On.org needs to understand this. That they are being used. Like everyone else.

[FrenchieCat]

4. Remember her using CODE for San Francisco? that was the same thing.....

She is now a blue collar, lowever educated, conservative, voters who may not like folks of color.

That's her base.......one easily found in the next three contests.

She's a carpetbagger, remember?

That's why she wanted Richardson's endorsement before Texas, cause he would bring more of those voters for her.

Hillary Clinton is a user.

[polichick]

6. Truly amazing, considering MoveOn was founded to support Bill Clinton...

..."censure and move on" was the motto.

Hillary Clinton is shameless and disgusting.

[FrenchieCat]

7. she doesn't give a shit.....

Which is why we can't either. She is counting on an explosion from the netroots.

Don't give it to her. She's done enough damage already. She wants reflex action.

Spread this.

Folks should understand that there are not a lot of Liberals in PA that aren't already voting for Obama. She can only work to get those voters that are more moderate and undecided.

[Skwmom]

12. Look how they've treated blacks - their most loyal supporters.

They will use and toss anyone under the bus.

[FrenchieCat]

23. THese are diviide and conquer tactics.....

very much like she did with Blacks and Brown before Nevada.

[FrenchieCat]

8. It is happening now.....

The media picked this up...but not the Screw Rural voter comment.

That's why I know exactly what's up.

[Yael]

9. This PA Dem just rejoined MoveOn.org tonight

canceled membership/donations after they put out their January endorsement poll and only included Obama and Clinton.

Hillary's comments reminded me to sign back up.

:hi:

[sniffa]

10. Why stop there?

Not only don't feed that, but don't feed Hamas, Weather Underground, Wright, Farrakahn, and finger-gate. Why wrestle the pig?

[Skwmom]

11. MSNBC - HILLARY ATTACKING LEFT WING ORG. THAT SUPPORTED OBAMA.

Wolfson confirming. This is so manipulative. Unbelievable.

[TheDonkey]

13. She probably leaked it, i agree

I'm not sure how much clout moveon has now so her lashing out doesn't do much.

[Cha]

14. Always wondered what that actually

meant 'cause I only came into politics in 2000 and never was curious enough to look it up.

I think Dems whether they're Progressive or Conservative(does that mean they're into conserving our Environment and Budget?) are sick of this war and expecially sick of hilary spewing shit all over the place.

Here's to Karma catching up to hilary's mouth real soon.

[jefferson_dem]

15. No way.

The super delegates, who she needs as much as she needs the air she breaths, will not think too highly of this slander. Even among moderates, it exposes her as the back-stabbing, say-anything/do-anything slimeball she is.

She's toast.

[FrenchieCat]

19. Ron Reagan Jr. just expressed my take , and the other panel members beat him down

and say....naw....

ON MSNBC Verdict like 5 minutes ago.

Ron Reagan Jr. is correct.

The others know that he is.

[crankychatter]

35. Maybe you're gunshy and trigger happy... and maybe you're right

either way it's food for thought

I'm inclined to believe she intends to recapture the top down party and run the progressive base OUT... no matter what the price... including President McCain

mho

[TahitiNut]

52. She doesn't want to "run the progressive base OUT" ... she just wants them to be happy campers

... and not be 'bitter' that their income is being pillaged and they won't get health care - except at the cost of profiting the financial barons.

Children should be seen and not heard ... in parental Amerika.

[crankychatter]

58. you have a point and group dynamics in the party bear that out

I was just thinking about how local parties "get out the vote" but when you show up at meetings and raise your hand... they treat you like shit.

but they DO want your vote

The thing is now... the outsiders are IN... and they're organized...

and it's not local... it's national... looking at south america, one could argue that it's global

so... I think with the political, if not literal, martyrdom of Obama... dissent will be "radicalized" and "criminalized"... certainly marginalized, as it is now... but more.

MHO, and I'm not alone... my very credible psychic confirms it ( ;-P )

Obama's lynching will serve the same purpose as "The One" in the Matrix... a periodic necessity...

[crankychatter]

59. forgot to add tahiti

you're a smarty and you're fun and you always make me think and type run on sentences

[jefferson_dem]

39. You could be right on.

We'll see how this plays as we move forward. The media narrative and ClintonInc response will signal what's up.

[FrenchieCat]

And the media's in on it.....

This is an orchestrated attempt by Hillary Clinton for a sister souljah moment. She has let this information leak out specifically to distance herself from the progressive side of the party to win Penn and Indiana working Blue collar workers. San Francisco and Moveon.org are "Code" for liberal, and Hillary wants to distance herself from these groups at the moment. Since much of that base is supporting Obama, she is not losing voters. But she does want to gain the more moderate voters still undecided. Notice that her 1995 comments when she said "Screw 'em" Rural White Voters is not getting any play.

Pread this around, and don't make a big deal about this silly stuff with this "audio".

[Raine]

16. You nailed it!

and are TOTALLY on point with this! :thumbsup:

[pdxmom]

17. If it gets played the way Dan Abrams is playing it, this won't help her

at all. He played back to back clips, of her supporting MoveOn just last year and then this one. Makes her look like the lying panderer she is.

[FrenchieCat]

22. I don't thinks so.....

Because the "Screw 'em" rural whites is not being discussed. In Penn and Indiana and North Carolina, these are the comments that would hurt her.

I'm telling you.

She is hoping to use our outrage.

[AlCzervik]

18. i think Wolfson leaked it with her blessing and i hope it comes right back around to bite

them both.

I am amazed that now we are considered far left lunatics because we didn't vote for her, way to alienate sooooo many people.

[FrenchieCat]

20. She is relying on us to be reactionaries.

Notice that there are no hillary supporters in this thread.

[AlCzervik]

21. yeah and i'm also waiting for them to start whining. this story really touches a nerve

with me.

[Arrowhead2k1]

24. If that's her strategy

it's extremely short sighted. She NEEDS the liberal wing of the party in order to become a Democratic nominee, just as much as she needs the more conservative elements of the party.

[FrenchieCat]

26. She doesn't care....

She figures we want to win badly enough and we'll do her bidding at that time. She's counting on it. Same with Black folks. She actually believes that we will take a Dem over a Republican no matter what. And to some degree, she's right. That's why she cannot win the nomination.

[bbgrunt]

82. good catch. I think you are right. Especially given

all the pressure for all those on the left to pledge to vote for whoever gets the nomination. This is the DLC warring against the grassroots and then taking their support for granted once again because they "have no where else to go" except McCain. This is why we need to get rid of the two party duopoly that prevents the emergence of third parties.

[jenmito]

25. But Obama was for the war in Afghanistan, too. But it's about the HYPOCRISY of what she told

them in public compared what to she said in private.

[FrenchieCat]

28. It's "CODE LANGUAGE" that counts for her right now, nothing else.....

those White working class men who do not want to be associated with some Left wing organization that slams Gen. Patraeus. So it is not about accuracy for her, its about association.....that's why she continues to attempt to associate Obama with whatever she can find. Whiny, Radical, or whatever, it doesn't matter to her, as long as it is a Negative conotation in the minds of those whose vote she wants.

[jenmito]

33. You could be right. n/t

[jenmito]

27. It feeds into her DISHONESTY and HYPOCRISY. On Abrams' show, they just said this will

hurt her argument to SDs since the far-left won't vote for her in the GE.

[FrenchieCat]

30. I disagree with Abrahm's take on this.....and he's been shilling for her

to a great degree for quite some time!

[jenmito]

34. Again-you could be right. But O'Donnell and Ron Reagan (mostly) agreed...

Hmmm...

[Skwmom]

99. And it plays into the media is being unfair to Clinton. Why shouldn't she criticize the

group that has cheated her out of the election, especially after how nice she was to them.

Abrahms is a stupid hack who has his job b/c he is WILLING to espouse the corporate media line (b/c if he doesn't he will be out of a job and that is worth more to him than any integrity or doing what is right for this country).

[Adelante]

29. I say you are correct nt

[Bigleaf]

31. The first thing to cross my mind when I read this story earlier today.

[jenmito]

32. Is Joe Watkins on crack or something? He used to be so polite. Now he talks a mile a minute and

interrupts everybody.

[Willo]

36. I get such a kick out of smart and wise people

"I say we understand in our heart that she doesn't give a fuck about us.

But I say that we don't argue the issue and give it any prominence. Just spread it quietly."

BOOM!

:toast: to you Frenchie!

[FrenchieCat]

38. It's a set up.......

That is all.

Smile and be happy.

Some folks should contact Move on.org and tell them to cool it. I know, I am.

Folks with Huffington accounts should also post that we know what's up.

Folks should write to anyone else and just tell them that we don't give a good dog.

She will not be using us.

Not this time!

[jenmito]

46. OK-you convinced me! I agree. Especially since Wolfson confirmed it while

denying the "Screw 'em" comment.

[ProSense]

37. Well, last weekend she was a pro-gun church lady.

That didn't work out too well. Call her on her crap, and let people know that wink-wink is BS-BS.

Point out her hypocrisy, she's trying to have it both ways.

[FrenchieCat]

40. But the voters that she wants to attract are exactly the voters that won't understand anything

beyond "move-on".

For them that goes hand in hand with Michael Moore, San francisco, and Jane Fonda.

That is how she is........she uses word association and hopes no one is that smart.

[ProSense]

44. I understand, that has been her entire campaign.

I think the Obama campaign has shattered a lot of the wink-wink style of politics by calling out Hillary on those tactics. They had to resort to on-air pleas by Limbaugh in Texas, and she lost the state (squeezing out a tiny victory in the primary).

[Name removed]

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[PM7nj]

42. It depends on how the media plays it.

There are a two ways the media might play this story:

1) Clinton bashes loyal Democratic activists.
2) Clinton has harsh words for extremist left wing group.

Take a guess at which one they'll pick.

[ErinBerin84]

43. could be true.

Remember Hillary a couple of weeks ago when she was saying that she was against the war before Obama? And that she was going to withdraw troops regardless of contingencies and military advice? I feel like she either tries to go wayyyyy liberal or wayyyyy conservative, and is just seeing what works at this point. I guess she finally gave up on that and is going full out "Umbrella nation" on us.

[jefferson_dem]

45. That trick might have worked back in "the day." Now...Hillary's flip-flops on record. AUDIO - -

---> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x121037

[FrenchieCat]

48. I think it will work......because there isn't much time

I'm telling you. She is trying to make OBama an extreme liberal who didn't even support the Aghanistan war by linking him to Move On.


I'm telling you. watch and see.

This was too easy.

[ecstatic]

49. Another group thrown under the bus. Who will she turn on next? nt

[FrenchieCat]

50. This is her way of reminding voters that may have forgotten that

Obama is backed by Move on.org.

She's also giving them credit for funding him...to make it seem like MoveOn is a special interest.

Rove has got to be helping her with this.

[RBInMaine]

51. SHE wasn't using anything. Huffington reported this.

[FrenchieCat]

54. They got it from somewhere.

You think that those lunch pail PA White man want to be linked to Move On.org who is said (by Hillary) to having been even against the war in Afghanistan?

[scheming daemons]

57. RB.... you're wrong.... she's using you to "mainstream" herself....

Don't help her.

[RBInMaine]

68. If Team-Hill leaked it purposely, that can be tracked. But really, would they want this now?

Your logic is a real leap. This would be too risky even for TeamHill. The risks, regardless of what more conservative Dems may think about MoveOn, are upsetting all the "non-MoveOners" who caucused for Obama, making herself look like a whining buck-passer, and, MOST risky, the contrast between the closed door whining session and her previous embrace of MoveOn which bolsters her negatives on trustworthiness and credibility on the heels of Snipergate. It is way too much for them to risk. They don't want this kind of distraction at the 11th hour in PA.
I seriously doubt she leaked it hoping for a Sister Soulja moment given the potential risks here. I think the credibility damage easily overtakes any "help" this may give her with "moderates". Many of those folks don't know much about MoveOn and don't think about them, and, importantly, it makes her look VERY foolish given that the whole organization was started to HELP Bill during impeachment. Finally, there is also a risk in that it will only further activate the MoveOn members already working on behalf of Obama. Just don't think her people would want to take on all that risk now. It'll be interesting to see where this goes in the next 24 hours. Keep your eyes on TeamHill's spin to come. (Again, the biggest damage is the contrast between her '07 embrace of MoveOn and her now tossing them under the bus. That additional credibility damage is what they DON'T want.)

[scheming daemons]

70. Why would she care about upsetting a group that is going to vote 90-10 against her anyway?

Come on, man.... think more than one move ahead.


She's NOT PLAYING FOR 2008 ANYMORE.


She's marginalizing Obama so McCain can win now.... then she comes back with her "I told you so" Tour in 2012.



Think it through.


She "embraced" moveon.org in 2007 because she thought she was going to be the nominee. Now that they abandoned her, she has no need for them anymore.


She has nothing to lose by pissing off a group in which 90% of them hate her already.

[RBInMaine]

73. Kindly read my WHOLE reply.

She wouldn't be so much worried about pissing off MoveOn voters, but she WOULD be worried about these YouTube cycles showing the contrast between her '07 embrace of MoveOn and now tossing them under the bus. THAT is the main point. She doesn't want to look like even more of a liar than she does now. Credibility is biggest liability in this campaing right now. With this she has just inflated those negatives furhter. She also knows full well that MoveOn was started to help Bill with impeachment, which also makes her look so foolish in attacking them. And it's NOT just the MoveOn member voting member patterns, it is that she would not want EVEN MORE MoveOn members out there knocking on doors, making calls, and giving cash to Obama. Finally, she does not want to PISS OFF all the other (the vast majority by the way) of NON-MoveOners who voted for Obama in the caucuses by labeling them as "MoveOn activists." NO. Most Obama caucus-goers have been ordinary folks from all walks of life, of all ages, both genders, and all races and ethnicities. Any non-MoveOners who might be swayed by this are already with her. Remember, this is a PRIMARY. And if you think she is doing this in hope it will help her later, it is WAY to early to try to use this for the general election. Plus, in the general election, she would not want to PISS OFF 3 million voters and potential helpers. Just because they are with Obama now doesn't mean they wouldn't be with her if she won the nomination. No, she did not leak this. TOO RISKY !

[scheming daemons]

75. We agree to disagree....

She's pulling a Lieberman.


Don't be surprised if we get a "I didn't leave the Democratic party, they left me" speech as she announces an independent run for the Presidency.


Which guarantees a McCain win.


...and then she gets "reborn" politically as an Independent or even a Repuke.


She is interested in one thing, and one thing only... being President. She will say and do whatever it takes to achieve that. She has no ideals or "positions". She voices whatever positions will get her the most votes.

She believes in NOTHING... except her own quest for power.


That's who she is. And she'll re-invent herself as many times as necessary to make it happen.

[caligirl]

85. she is looking for a way to play the victim card should everyone jump on it, don't.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/205925/720/698/498659

It's like the way the Republican right (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
kpbuick, not a cent, Knight Rider

reframed social justice issues in the late 60s and 70s to be about crime and menace. The Clinton campaign is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the Democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is critical that we don't overreact in ways that allow her campaign to exploit that meme. At the same, we need not be passive. Believe me, their success absolutely depends on our overreaction.

She just saw the blogosphere go after ABC and move on reacting as well to the debate. This is an intentional try at starting a fight so she can once again be the victim as in NH. At the link above you can review some of the comments where this is the belief of others. Wolfson is embracing this thing to much. something is afoot again.

[me b zola]

53. I share your thoughts on this.

Down play it, at least until after PA.

[FrenchieCat]

55. Yep.......

It took me a while, but it was too perfect.

Looks like they like to leak on Fridays a lot.....the Hillary folks.

[scheming daemons]

56. Frenchie's right.... this is a set up.... don't bite....

Can the outrage, guys.... that's EXACTLY what she wants.


She wants all the moderate Dems in PA... the O'Reilly watchers and such.... to see that she's NOT on the side of the netroots.


Frenchie has it nailed perfectly.


This is her Sister Souljah moment.... the day she is "breaking" from the "radical left".


We all know that she broke from us a long time ago.... but this "leak" was done on purpose.


She's trying to mainstream herself.



Don't help her.

[FrenchieCat]

60. thank you!

We just need to let KOS and others know, if they haven't already thought of it.

I don't feel like being part of setting a trap for Obama.

[ruggerson]

61. Nah, this was Huffpo's attempt to manufacture a bittergate-like scandal on the eve of the primary

Arianna has delusions that she can move events.

[FrenchieCat]

62. Who do you support?

[liberaldem4ever]

63. I wonder if this is for real

If this happened after Super Tuesday, why did it take so long for this to get to the media? Has there been any explanation why someone (who?) would give this to Huff Post right now? This coming out right before PA makes me wonder if it passes the smell test. I don't trust any of those people.

[GarbagemanLB]

64. I disagree. Pissing off an organization with 3 million + members who are the core of the Democratic

activist base is not a way to please superdelegates.

[FrenchieCat]

65. Bill Clinton pissed off even more voters after during South Carolina.....

and they didn't bat an eye.

[scheming daemons]

67. A) They already endorsed Obama B) 2.5 million of them hate her.... she had nothing to lose

She's not getting their support anyway.... this is a ploy to marginalize Obama to the left.... to help herself now... and McCain later.



It's all about 2012 for her now.

[caligirl]

86. thats true but read this and see what many think is the strategy Wolfson

is using
It's like the way the Republican right (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
kpbuick, not a cent, Knight Rider

reframed social justice issues in the late 60s and 70s to be about crime and menace. The Clinton campaign is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the Democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is critical that we don't overreact in ways that allow her campaign to exploit that meme. At the same, we need not be passive. Believe me, their success absolutely depends on our overreaction.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/205925/720/698/498659

More discussion in comments on this belief at the link.

[2rth2pwr]

66. "Code"? I thought "dog whistle" was the agreed upon term.

[GoldieAZ49]

69. and the secret hand signals and mental telepathy

they wear tin foil hats so Hilary and her 'operatives' cannot read their minds.


The Obama Nation get their secret code rings in boxes of cereal too.

We KNOW their game.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[KoKo]

72. The recording is supposedly from a fund raiser after Super Tuesday...Someone took a long time

to get it out. You think it's her distancing herself from "Move On?" Or is it Obama's camp hoping to get their angry activists out? :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

74. There are no more Move On voters.....they all voted already.

This is Hillary's work, and we are not stupid.

Well those grassrooters that still support Hillary might be. :shrug:

[scheming daemons]

76. This is her attempt to mainstream herself..... Sister Souljah moment....

Read up.


Blacks were PISSED at Bill for his comments about Sister Souljah.... but you know what? Moderate Dems and Indies were "all of a sudden" ok with him..... and blacks voted for him anyway.



Hillary knows what she's doing here.... she knows the moveon.org members will never vote for McCain..... and even if they wont work as hard for her, the gains she makes among indies and moderates will more than make up for it.



Moveon.org folks.... we're being played.

Don't fall for it.

[bigbrother05]

77. k and r

:applause:

[FrenchieCat]

78. If we can just stay calm on this.........

we will be alright!

If we get instigated, the press will have a field day connecting Obama to Move On to everything that Move On as done. We don't need that right now.

[Skwmom]

79. It's also intended to hurt Obama - guilt by association.

She is distorting Moveon's foreign policy positions so that she can paint Obama as too liberal and weak on national security. It helps McCain and damages Obama for the general election (and primary) but since it was "leaked" she can claim to have clean hands. Once again, it also helps her play the victim because she doesn't want her supporters to back Obama in the general election.

[FrenchieCat]

80. Yep.....

That's how I'm reading it.

Something leaked on a Friday that has Hillary saying stuff, but not saying bad stuff about the Royal Crown grab your gun set. No, it is about a group based out of California.

She is not slick.

In fact, her stuff is raggedy. She's not even good at manipulation anymore.

[caligirl]

87. similar thought I found in Dkos comments here

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/205925/720/698/498659

It's like the way the Republican right (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
kpbuick, not a cent, Knight Rider

reframed social justice issues in the late 60s and 70s to be about crime and menace. The Clinton campaign is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the Democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is critical that we don't overreact in ways that allow her campaign to exploit that meme. At the same, we need not be passive. Believe me, their success absolutely depends on our overreaction.

[thoughtcrime1984]

81. Yes, she is trying to marginalize Obama as a radical lefty now!

She knows the true Progressives are a lost cause. By denouncing moveOn, she is indeed assuring the Indies and Repubs that she is the "steady, moderate, centrist" figure that they are seeking for the WH. She can't win that way, but as has been said, she can injure Obama enough so that he cannot win, either. What baffles me, though, is how in the hell does she think she will get strong support for 2012? There will be a large faction of Dems that will vote for anyone but her in the 2012 Primaries, if it came to that. She has cooked her own goose, no matter how you look at it.

[caligirl]

88. who knows what she thinks she is doing, but I am posting this

comment to keep in mind

It's like the way the Republican right (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
kpbuick, not a cent, Knight Rider

reframed social justice issues in the late 60s and 70s to be about crime and menace. The Clinton campaign is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the Democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is critical that we don't overreact in ways that allow her campaign to exploit that meme. At the same, we need not be passive. Believe me, their success absolutely depends on our overreaction.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/205925/720/698/498659

[VenusRising]

89. I also don't think that this is aimed directly at PA.

I think that she has Indiana and North Carolina mostly in mind. If there happens to be a windfall in Pennsylvania for her, then it's just a bonus. It's a way to inject something right before Pennsylvania that the media will have weeks to harp on until the next primaries - one in the midwest and one in the south where this kind of distancing might help her.

Although, I think that Obama will handle this easily and we'll be back to sniping at each other out of boredom. It's a long ride to Denver.




Are we there YET?????

[FrenchieCat]

92. I think it is aimed at all three......

IT is aimed at her defaming the character of another in order to win. It is based on a politics of "can't win on my own merit, so I'll destroy my opponent". It may be the only thing she knows, which doesn't bode well for us.

[casus belli]

91. Kinda like "NAFTA-gate"?

Where she pushed and pushed the media to cover supposed promises that Obama made to the Canadians about NAFTA, when it was actually her people making assurances and bartering behind the scenes for more failed trade regulation?

Nothing she does surprises me anymore. She will do, or say, ANYTHING to win.

[smalll]

94. How the HELL can you people bring up NAFTA after --

Austan Goolsbee-gate AND
Bittergate -- don't forget, he said those poor saps cling to "anti-trade" as well as to God, guns, racism and xenophobia!

[smalll]

93. Sometimes, Sistahs need to be Souljahed. (If you want to win) --

Contrary to the opinion of your strange new god, who labors under the old misimpression that there are "no enemies to the left" (viz. Pastor Wright, Bomber Ayers, Obamarosa, that communist in Hawaii, etc. etc. etc.)

[TragedyandHope]

95. You're giving her too much credit

She's finished.

[Skwmom]

96. Her goal is to damage Obama and go out as a victim, hoping he

will lose in Nov and she can run in 2012.

[cyberpj]

97. kick.nt

[Willo]

98. kickin' it

[FrenchieCat]

100. Just as a reminder....

Kick!

[crankychatter]

101. maybe but consider THIS

Since the War and Recession... the corruption in DC...

The 9-11 bellicosity and ethno-centricity of the "Reagan Democrats" or "Lunch Bucket Dems" is diminished...

She's over-estimating the size of her, Nixonian "Silent Majority"

MHO

evidenced by the fact that even conservatives had an anti-war candidate