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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:42 PM Original message |
How can Hillary Clinton win a General Election without the Dem base/grassroots behind her? |
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TML (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. She'll never get my vote |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. ?But she will always get my vote - and I am as much the base as anyone |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. You realize that that goes both ways? |
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ScarletSniper (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. Ditto. Never. |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hillary and her DLC cronies think we've nowhere else to go... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Fact: DLC cronies prefer Obama |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Conjecture: Jackson_dem will stop posting sillyness after june |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. The DLC machine=the Clinton machine n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. In "netroots" fantasy land. In reality Obama has more DLC support than Clinton |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Fact: More Dems will defect from Obama than Clinton |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. you keep believing that. I'm sure you 'll be backing lotsa winners. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. That is what every poll shows... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. not really - just about all polls show 22% of the supporters of either will walk, with |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. There is usually a gap of about 10-15 points in Hill supporters being more likely to walk |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. Man you lie more than the Clintons |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Show me one GE poll that has Obama retaining more Dem support than Clinton |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Ahem. Ermm, clears throat, it's the grassroots as in supporting the Democratic party for decades |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. right, move-ons a bunch of disaffected republicans |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. moveon is a relative newcomer and lost plenty of supporters with their |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Moveon was formed in 1998 to DEFEND BILL CLINTON |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Ah, OK. |
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Algorem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. that's not what your mother said last night. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. The candidate without the base is Obama. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Honestly, how can you decry name calling when you use the term elitists? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. About name calling - |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Great, so you're no better than the people that you disdain |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. really? |
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DontTreadOnMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Silly Post! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Every poll shows that more Dems will defect if Obama is the nominee |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. Your post is just all fucked up. Obama IS your first sentence. PERIOD. Open your eyes... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. Wow... Project Much ??? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. SHE CANT. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The "netroots" are insignificant. The "netroots" couldn't deliver anything to Edwards |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. keep watching.... |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
64. . |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. She just totally isolated the party base WHILE insulting EVERYONE who caucused. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. nope... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. She DOESN'T CARE. If she can't be prez, she wants McCain to have it. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
16. Her theory is we'll be forced to vote for her because the only alternative is McCain |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Deleted sub-thread |
cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Why sink to a racist statement? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. WHAT RACIST STATEMENT? It's a reference to a popular children's -- oh, never mind |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I apologize if I misread your intent. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That's okay, believe me, I understand. No hard feelings n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. How dare she bring us up as in "Some of his supporters". |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. When did a candidate's supporters ever behave like this? |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
31. The working class, unions, blue collar, Latinos and women are not the base? |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I am the base of the party. The base of the party that is the most loyal of the voters in the party. |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. They are, but only part. |
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AJH032 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. How can Barack obama win a General Election without the Dem base/grassroots behind him? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Seniors/women over 40 will walk - and Obama loses |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. No, we won't. He'll be fine. n/t |
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ScarletSniper (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Not this over 40 women..lol |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
36. No. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. She can't. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. And, how does Obama? He doesn't. Feel better now? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
45. She's still got a better chance than Obama. |
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Kesaco (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. How can Obama win the General Election |
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MindMatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. By naming Lieberman as running mate |
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MindMatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. And some people would still blame that loss on Nader |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. Dump 'em if they're a drag. There's plenty of Indies to take their place. (eom) |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. lol. Hillary has absolutely no indie appeal. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. This does enough damage to make me really worry about her elect-ability |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. Screw 'em, and |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. About the only group she hasn't alienated is her Cult members on DU. nt |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. And that's only because they need the paycheck. |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. How can Barack Obama win a GE when the real |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. And the rethugs only vote for him in the primaries. In GE polling they abandon him |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. We sure have been played. I wonder if Democrats will wake up in time? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Let's hope--that would be change we can believe in! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Is that why she's losing? Get a grip. n/t |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Reality escapes them. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
57. She must plan on NOT winning... so, it's another plan... now YOU tell ME |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
74. Hard-core Democrats support the nominee. PERIOD. |
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