Dan Abrams covers MoveOnGate on MSNBC. Full YouTube video.

[Arrowhead2k1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XX08McRPHI

[ihavenobias]

1. I watched it live and I'm surprised they did a decent job

Well, aside from the Republican Operative Joe or whatever his name was. He was awful.

PS---Interview with Adam Green of MoveOn from this afternoon about the debate: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5572632

[City Lights]

14. Joe Watkins typically ruins any exchange. He's a serial interrupter.

And a know-it-all. (What GOP mouthpiece isn't?)

[ihavenobias]

18. True. On some level it just baffles me that anyone is a Republican anymore

I just don't get it. What would it take for these people to NOT be republicans? What if everyone at Fox, and every conservative talk radio host (and Glenn Beck and Joe Scarborough) were forced to take truth serum that would last for a week (oh, and everyone in the Bush Administration)?

I mean, it would be fascinating to hear them say so many things we already knew to be true along with other shocking revelations. But even then, even AFTER they admit what liars they are, how they can't stand the poor/middle class (or at least, don't care), etc., even THEN I'm not sure that 25% of the population wouldn't vote Republican in the next election.

It blows my mind.

[writes3000]

2. I thought Abrams was making this a much bigger deal than it actually is...

Of course, Clinton had to explain it if she was asked at a fundraising function.

Someone else said it might concern Supers. I hadn't considered that possibility which may make this more significant.

[babylonsister]

6. Lots of angry folks around. MoveOn has 3.2M members, and

here's one of them:


http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attac ... /

Hillary Clinton Attacks MoveOn
By: Jane Hamsher Friday April 18, 2008 3:50 pm


The Huffington Post has Hillary Clinton on tape disparaging Barack Obama and his support from MoveOn, saying that the organization "didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan.

I've tried to stay out of the pie fights of late, but as a long-term defender of MoveOn and other progressive organizations -- this is completely unacceptable.

"MoveOn opposed military action in Afghanistan" is a Republican talking point, articulated specifically and purposefully by Karl Rove:

Rove went on to say that conservatives wanted to "unleash the might and power" of the military against the Taliban in Afghanistan, while liberals wanted to submit petitions. He cited a petition he said was backed by MoveOn.org that called for "moderation and restraint" in responding to the attacks.

"I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt as I watched the twin towers crumble to the earth, a side of the Pentagon destroyed and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble," he said, according to the text.


I defended Hillary Clinton when she refused to bow to right wing pressure and condemn MoveOn over the "General Betrayus" ad (and was sad when she finally capitulated). MoveOn are valuable progressive partners who have been with us on Donna Edwards, net neutrality, trying to bring an end to the war, FISA, and other issues we've been fighting for.

They've accepted the challenge of organizing the left in the virtual arena and done an amazing job that the right struggles to replicate. They now have 3 million members, of which I'm one. And their skill at online organization and movement building has developed a model that both of the Democratic candidates have been able to copy and learn from, acting as a democratizing influence and making candidates more responsive to the public at large and less to high dollar donors.

MoveOn may not have opposed military action in Afghanistan (according to Eli Pariser in the Washington Post) but I did, because I was quite certain George Bush would bungle it and we'd just wind up spending billions on a bunch of junk that would make his buddies rich and a lot of poor people in the poorest country in the world would die senselessly. Sadly that turned out to be right, and disparaging anyone for challenging this country's unrelenting bellicosity during the Bush administration is wrong.

Does Hillary Clinton not want my vote either?

[City Lights]

3. Thanks...watching now. nt

[Quixote1818]

4. Didn't MoveOn start after Bill's fling with Monica? Wasn't that the whole

point of MoveOn? To Move On from Monica?

[NC_Nurse]

8. Yep. Their gratitude really shows.

:sarcasm:

[Muttocracy]

9. yup. nt

[Quixote1818]

5. Ron Reagan reminds me of Rachel Madow. nt

[NC_Nurse]

10. He's a wonderful guest, just like her. I totally agree.

[scheming daemons]

11. Rachel's much cuter........ (and I'm a straight male)

[ErinBerin84]

7. Dan gets so worked up, I doubt the MSM will care though

Joe Watkins bugs me. Actually, I hate having to listen to any Republicans talk/strategize about the Democratic race. I don't trust them. The way that he was trying to paint Moveon.org as the sole reason for Obama's caucus wins (They DESTROY people who they do not LIKE!) was so transparent.

[writes3000]

12. Ron Reagan sure had Watkins number, though, LOL. I enjoyed that. n/t

[Muttocracy]

13. So MoveOn deployed armies of thugs? Or illegally voted? nt

[futureliveshere]

15. Thanks for the link.. Lot of SDs coming up for elections later will need MoveOn's support.

HRC just shot herself in the foot.

[oasis]

16. "Gate" my ass. Since when did knocking a radical group go against the public interest?

Edited to add second sentence.

[Arrowhead2k1]

17. I hope she does.

It's political suicide for a Democrat to take on the 'activist left'.

[oasis]

19. Sorry I edited out, "She'll stand by her statement" in favor of a

stronger rebuttal.

[Arrowhead2k1]

21. Marginalizing MoveOn.org and all 3.3 million of its members

as merely a radical group is a stronger rebuttal?
:rofl:

[PM7nj]

20. If it wasn't for these "radical groups" Congress would still be under Republican control.

[Cha]

29. Do you ever feel like

we've been invaded by republican talking points on a Democratic website and we just have to put up with it a lit-tle bit longer?

[ihavenobias]

22. People trying to dismiss this as a "radical group" are missing a critical point

While it's true the general public may not care much about MoveOn, they DO care about a growing resume of (real or imagined) "mis-truths" and contradictions from Hillary.

Taken individually even *I* (as an Obama supporter) don't think these things are that big of a deal (Sniper story, etc). The problem (for Hillary) is what happens when you view them collectively.

Besides, there IS a problem with ripping an organization that helps push and raise money for a ton of progressive cause.

[zulchzulu]

26. OK...so MoveOn is a RADICAL GROUP?

Please explain.

[geek tragedy]

28. Radical? Go back to Redstate. n/t

[crankychatter]

23. She lost in the Caucuses because she was unprepared

now she's blaming MoveOn bullies to get money from other contributors... then she got caught

blaming others for her own failures is her thing

[zulchzulu]

27. I was in Iowa...she had jackshit for grassroots supporters who wanted to caucus for her

She is POISON.

[platosrepublic]

24. Great find!

I think MoveOn.org if really the corner stone of our democracy, similar to the ACLU. I cant believe a "democrate" would come out against them.

[doublethink]

25. Kick.

:kick: