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MattP Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:46 AM
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Clinton Baker issues paper on 60's radicals and Obama, WTF!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/clinton-backer-distribute_n_97525.html


"A high-ranking labor supporter of Hillary Clinton is distributing
to union leaders and to Democratic strategists a document detailing the
radical activities of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, two former members of
the '70s group the Weather Underground, who decades later, in Chicago,
crossed paths with Barack Obama."



What kind of crap is this and why are they pushing this kind of trash saying that Rove might push this in the General.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:47 AM
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1. Desperate @ssholes. n/t
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:48 AM
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2. As I've said before, ask not for whom the Karl toils
This has Rove all over it.

I guess we can dredge up McCain's "talking to the enemy" crap, too.

And to think this came from a Democrat.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:04 AM
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10. Well, Good......... They come out into the open for what they are....
The beast of corporatism control is revealing itself .

Do you remember when that term, Corporatism, fascism and the connections we found
with the Bush was attacked on DU?

This will be an epic struggle for the soul of this nation this fall.


Meanwhile General Myer, today, is claiming he was hoodwink
on torture from Bushie and his cabal. And he is the one that did
the stand down on Norad on 911 and took the training and methods of torture to Iraq?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:56 AM
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19. Those who chalked it all off to "conspiracy theory" are perhaps now beginning to see reality
BushCo no longer even tries to hide it.

Bush has no problem with destroying our Constitution because he's always been its enemy. If they'll traffic in
young boys and blackmail and murder, torture should be an easy choice for them.

We have to all stick close to our candidate. They won't be able to assassinate him this time. They don't do that
to Presidents any more because it turns them into icons. But they'll try to bring down any non-compromised person
who seeks high office.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:48 AM
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3. Internal polling must not be looking too good.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:51 AM
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5. Hell, internal polling must look like...
SHIT. Do you smell what the ROCK is cooking?
:eyes:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:50 AM
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4. Yeah, I hear Barack was a real fire-ball radical when he was 8 years old.
I am so FUCKING tired of "gotcha" politics! That's all most of them seem to care about. They don't give a flying fuck about REAL issues, only how many times they can "get" the opponent.

Sickening.

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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:53 AM
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6. It's Time To Fight, Peeps
At some point, you realize the gloves have to come off. Barack doesn't have to fight, but someone has to get his back. That's up to us. It's going to take more than our donations to keep these scumbags at bay.
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:55 AM
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7. Damn.
They fear the 3rd grade Barack Obama.

He's coloring outside the lines!!!!!!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:56 AM
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8. Fuck you Hillary. You're just another fucking rethug.
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 02:25 AM by speedoo
After all, you've been enabling BushCheneyRiceRoveRummy for eight years.

We should not be surprised. Fucking Hillary voted for the IWR to embellish her presidential resume. Anyone who would vote for a war for political reasons would do anything for political reasons.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:08 AM
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15. rethugs aren't interested in Dem victory. Hillary is. We need to analyze the messiah's electability
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:19 AM
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18. Hillary is interested only in Hillary.
Stupid Hillary can't see that she is unelectable. Her approval is approaching that of Bush.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:32 AM
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20. What does Hillary's loss say about her electability?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:14 AM
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25. Do you think Dukakis was more electable than Gore? Clark more electable than Kerry?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:07 AM
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26. All I think is that it's hard to be electable when you've lost the primary.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:22 AM
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29. Then you don't recognize the difference between the general and the primaries
This is especially important now that we have a candidate whose lead is built on unique Dem primary demographics. Under general election demographics Obama would be down by double digits in the popular vote. In other words, he is winning the votes you need to win a Dem primary but not the votes you need to win a general election.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:56 AM
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9. Is it the Weathermen Cookie recipes?
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:05 AM
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11. Fearsome Hippie Terrorists from the Past
about as silly as it gets...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:06 AM
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12. that reminds me of the 2004 Jane Fonda , Kerry plot to assassinate senators
and other crap pushed by the right .

now i'm wondering how much the Clintons had to do with that.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:07 AM
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13. We can't react to this shit.
It too shall pass.

Hurry up and fucking get out of the race Hillary. You are really in the way.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:07 AM
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14. I thought it was BS too until I read the actual article and the headline
Clinton Backer Distributes Essay On How GOP Would Link Obama To '70s Radicals

Obama's electability can't be discussed. Obama is an odd case. He has waltzed through the primaries without having the electbality issue seriously discussed. This is due to a pro-Obama corporate MSM and because Obamites work to shut down any discussion of his weaknesses. There is a lot of talk in the netroots about the "kitchen sink" but she has not been able to say even half of what she could if left unfettered. Obama is another Dukakis. We need to wake up and realize that before it is too late.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:43 AM
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22. fettered????
There is a lot of talk in the netroots about the "kitchen sink" but she has not been able to say even half of what she could if left unfettered.

What fetters exactly has kept her from saying everything she could think of???
What exactly do you think a "kitchen sink" strategy is but saying everything she could possibly think of... justifying it as "things the republicans will say anyway"?

The only difference between HRC saying it and the republicans saying it is who's able to vote based on what's said.

Of course, the irony is that HRC is in a weaker position than BHO on this particular topic. Working on a non-profit that tries to help develop a neighborhood like the South Side of Chicago, and tries to help residents improve the neighborhood... if that's the most radical thing BHO is involved in, well then I say cheers to him.
If HRC wants to try to bash him on it... and is hoping Democrats will condemn him for working on the board of such a non profit simply because there's an old-school radical on the board of directors.... well she's just gonna lose more support among democrats.

On the other hand... she might be able to lay the groundwork for McCain attacks on the subject. Well done.

The real point, as I see it, is... if you want a democratic candidate who hasn't got the "balls" to work on projects that might help develop neighborhoods like the South Side of Chicago.... simply because some "unsavory types" might be associated with him/her in the process... then by all means vote for HRC.

After all, isn't that what this whole primary is about??

HRC allies herself with the military/industrial complex, via the connections she develops through the Senate Armed Services Committee simply so that she's better aligned to woo the right wingers... and try to make up for her negatives...

God forbid that we should, as Democrats, have the nerve/"balls" to actually think of trying to run a candidate who hasn't played him/her self in the dog and pony show that is the right wing patriot game.

By all means... all you HRC supporters... if you're too afraid of the Republicans to take a chance on someone who's raising money from other sources than PACs, too afraid of the Republicans to take a chance on someone who's suggesting a new course may be possible, too afraid of the Republicans to take a chance on someone who just spent 15 months or so making a mockery of HRC, too afraid of the Republicans to take a chance on something as full of shit as a notion like "hope", too afraid of the Republicans to think that someone who just out performed what was recently thought to be the Star of the Democratic Party might be able to take the Republicans similarly by surprise, too afraid of the Republican party to think that- despite all the negatives coming along with the inheritance of GWB- this organizing and speaking "wunderkind" marvel, to describe BHO in terms that you might be willing to accept, might be able to out organize and out campaign ... friggin McCain?...

How friggin terrified of the Republican party are you people??
If there's any time that they can be beat, it's now.
Are you not willing to take the gamble and go for real change?... or... are you really, deep down, afraid of real change?

HRC won't change things much. Of that we can be certain. Who knows what this lunatic young'n BHO might do??

The reason that the vote has been so abysmal, overall, for candidates for decades is that there was scant difference between them. Like voting between Coke and Pepsi... who cares about the difference between Coke and Pepsi??

I should know. In '92 I wasn't even in the country to vote. In '96 I voted for Cthulu. Why bother to vote for the lesser Evil?

The only time I supported Bill Clinton, was when he was being hassled for having his dick sucked.
I mean, sure... it was tacky to be caught... but what the hell.. it was just a blow job...

Until that... no one I know cared one fuck about the difference between a Republican in office and a Democrat. We were born in the early 70's, and we couldn't tell the fucking difference.

We voted for Nader instead of Gore because Gore's wife prosecuted our punk rock bands in congress. Fuck Tipper. Sorry Al, will never vote for you. Tell your wife that she might've been the reason that GWB fucked up our country.

And here I come around full circle... HRC represents the same sort of ultra-right leftist as Tipper. So the youth says "Fuck You". Hell... I'm coming up on 40, and I still say Fuck You. And everyone I know says Fuck You.

And you know what... I don't care how it sounds... and this is just my opinion... but I agree with Reverend Wright's statements, and Ayers' statements, just as much as many agree that they're bitter.

I'm not black, but I know they been fucked over, and have every right to be pissed. Wright, much as BHO said, from that point of view, was completely justified in EVERYTHING he said.

And Ayers, well... he was a nut job back in the day, probably... but... isn't this a country where even the points of view of nut jobs are supposed to be aired, if nothing else, before they're judged?

I wouldn't've minded if the Weather Men had bombed my local DMV. Or half a dozen other local government offices.

HRC's notion, from the most recent debate, that being a rep from the vicinity of NYC gave her special permission to be extra judgemental... that's bullshit.

9/11 9/11 9/11 ... HRC, you just made a claim of inheritance of Giuliani's horseshit platform.
Fuck off....

Ohh yeah. All of you HRC supporters who keep insisting that she's got the nomination in the bag... please... lay off the glue. It's bad for you.

And, just for the record... I still think HRC sounds wonderful as a candidate everytime I hear her speak. The problem is she tends to speak first... and when I hear BHO speak afterward.... well, I'm quickly over HRC.
It's not meant as an insult... nor an attack on her competence... she just flubbed the memo to the black guy informing him that it was her turn, as far as I can tell. Maybe she didn't take him seriously enough to bother to offer sufficient payola to make it worth his while to wait his turn.

Or, maybe, he saw that this time around the Republicans had so disarrayed themselves, that a whacky idea like hope might actually stand a chance.
I notice that HRC didn't have the gumption to wade into the fray in 2004. She was content to sit back and snipe at John Kerry, in an attempt to bolster her non-liberal cred.

I might just hold that against her.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:08 AM
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16. Straight from Fox News
See Hannity's "THE REAL BARACK OBAMA" series.

http://www.foxnews.com/hannitysamerica/
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:15 AM
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17. Thye've been pushing it for a while..
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 02:18 AM by stillcool47

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By JUSTIN ROOD

Feb. 22, 2008—


The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters
today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media,
containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article
from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.

Opting to leave any attacks on the issue to the GOP may be wise, as attacks from Clinton could backfire. In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.

Rosenberg had been arrested in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite, a submachine gun and other weapons from the back of a car.
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And in 1999, President Clinton also pardoned 16 violent Puerto Rican nationalists responsible for more than 100 bombings of U.S. political and military installations, after they promised to renounce violence. The attacks reportedly killed six people and wounded dozens more. In justifying the pardons, President Clinton noted none of the men had been convicted of crimes that resulted in death or injuries.
Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4330128
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:38 AM
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21. It's better to get it out now...
...and get over it, rather than have it "suddenly" spring up in October.

Not that I agree with all this mudslinging.

But imagine bringing it up later.

There would be little time to discuss it properly.

There would be no time to change people's minds about it.

However, if something like this was brought up late in the campaign, the best argument against it would be:

why did you wait so long to release this information?

We've been campaigning longer than any other time in history, and you bring this up now?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:45 AM
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23. Wasn't Obama about eight years old at the time? n/t
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:51 AM
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24. Yes, he was. But you know how "those" people are.
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
(Just in case somebody misses it.)

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:24 AM
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27. Joe McCarthy lives nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:06 AM
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28. Sounds pretty NON-CHRISTIAN to me - if you get my drift.
Apparently Hillary believes people cannot turn their lives around and do good works. Apparently she is incapable of forgiveness - even though her husband "forgave" by pardon other memebers of the same group.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:24 AM
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30. Hillary, why don't you just join the Rove team?
Perhaps they could use your depth of knowledge to defeat some Democrats in Nov. 2008? :shrug:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:29 AM
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31. Well we can only hope people see through the nonsense I think after ABC they do.
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 06:30 AM by cooolandrew
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