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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:10 AM
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Clinton is proving she has NO CORE as a person
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 08:11 AM by Armstead
if you look at all of the contradictions (to say the least) in her current campaign, it is a microcosm of the career of both she and her husband.

Politically, they are all over the map, depending on what position on what day their pollsters tell them is most advantageous. Left, right, center....It doesn't matter

Does she want to be perceived as a woman or is she against sexual stereotypes? Who knows? Is she nice or nasty? Depends on the second and the audience.

She wants to turn the Middle East into a full time battle zone with full American engagement. And she's making it sound like she agrees with McCain that War on Iran is inevitable....But she's also trying to act like the Goddess of Peace who will lead us out of the darkness of Iraq.

Their position on teh role of the Media is similar. She and her husband spend her whole campaign whining and counting the "unfairness" of the mean old media. But let Obama and his supproters complain about the media, and suddenly she is Pro-Media and Anti-Whining.

She's for gun control -- But don't tell anyone because those folks in Pennsylvania like their guns.

She has no core. She is like a weird science fiction beast that is constantly morphing and taking on different qualities -- and which is ultimately invisible.



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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:12 AM
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1. Get the hell out of my brain!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:16 AM
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3. Bering John Malkovitch......Or Being Bonobo
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:12 PM
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83. Being Bonobo
is akin to brain death.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:13 AM
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Exactly.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:17 AM
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4. Yeeeikes -- Perhaps that could be the poster for the sci-fi movie
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:22 AM
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6. Not for children.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:13 AM
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2. That's very true, it's perhaps the most disturbing aspect of her
The sense that she has not principles that guide her.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:20 AM
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5. this silly demonization post should go to the top of the greatest page
meanwhile we are enraged at ABC for their stupidity. :crazy:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:22 AM
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7. Please explain then.....
Why did The Clintons endlessly bash and whine about the media, but then when Obama does it, they jump on him and take the exact opposite stance?

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:25 AM
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8. because Hillary is evil
she is not human, she has no soul. Bill too. You and the Freepers nailed it.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:26 AM
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9. Thank you for agreeing
Snark is always a good substitute for a real answer
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:28 AM
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10. I'm sorry
I should have discussed Hillary's resemblence to a science fiction beast in a more respectful manner.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:05 AM
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34. What's worse is that Obama didn't even whine
There were tons of people complaining, but Obama wasn't one of them. He even joked about it. Hillary is completely mischaracterizing this, whereas she has been constantly whining this entire election season.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:07 AM
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35. You're technically correct
Maybe I should have just said when he complains, the Clintons accuse him of whining.

I actually thought his public comments were done with a lot of good humnor.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:58 AM
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48. They dont endlessly 'bash and whine about the media'
Hillary has taken it on the chin from the media for 15 solid years with little complaint. She is definately wearing the pants in this race.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:37 AM
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14. There are too many Obama demonization posts
for this one to even be noticed. The hatred of Hillary supporters is at its most vicious level ever.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:58 AM
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70. You say vicious, I say for damn good reason. This does not happen in a vaccum, you know.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:03 PM
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72. Angry -- If that makes us vicious, then we're just keeping up with the Clintons
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:34 AM
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11. If you don't get women then that's your problem....
not hers.

This is so desperate. Pathetic, actually. I really wonder sometimes what values some Obama suppoters were ever taught.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:35 AM
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12. You are saying that all women are duplicitous and erratic?
And who is the sexist?
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:50 AM
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27. You did.
I'm just supporting the candidate who is vastly more qualified. Let's face it, if Obama were a woman, he wouldn't be running.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:59 AM
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31. That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read
You do understand that the goal of feminism is that women be treated as equals, that they be given the same opportunities as men are given or allowed to succeed or fail, not that they be guaranteed that success, yes?

Obama as a woman would be where he is now, if you truly believe in femism and the goals of feminism. The candidate is not a woman or man, he/she is a person and it is the individual assets combined with luck combined with timing and judgment and drive that makes the person successful or a failure.

I posted before that it is the double standards of hillary supporters that disgusts me the most, second to that would be their failure to understand feminism and/or to expect their candidate to live up to the challenges.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:03 AM
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32. Wow. You need to brush up on your mindreading
First of all I attributed the same characteristics to both Clintons, including the male half.

And second, aside from her own flip-flops on how she wants to be perceived in gender terms, what I said about her could easily be said about many male politicians.

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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:06 AM
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51. Wow - critical thinking: F, reading comp: F. (nt)
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:00 AM
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60. I'm voting for the PERSON who will be the best President.
Hillary is not that person.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:47 AM
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67. Looks like these kids "don't get women" either
And you can see how miserable and unattractive they are as a result.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:18 PM
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76. Maybe you're that kind of woman, I'm not
And what's desperate is dismissing truth as sexist attacks.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:49 AM
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90. What an absurd statement!
highly offensive too, I might add...
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:37 AM
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13. What's this really about?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:41 AM
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16. Read it again -- It's not very complex
She whines about the unfair treatment of the media for 13 months.....And then pretends like she hasn't been whining when Obama complains about the bad handling of a debate?

And that's just the latest example of her complete inconsistency.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:39 AM
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15. She would have been brilliant working on Broadway..
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:41 AM
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17. See Liberalcommontater's OP following yours. Please.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5576595
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:48 AM
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I don't agree with it
Of course both sides want to boot the GOP out of the White House.

I can only speak for myself though, and say that what I find most angering about Clinto is that seems much more willing to damage the chances of either candidate to do that in the fall.

If she had focused on her own strengths instead of doing everything possible to tear down Obama, I could at least overlook my basic opposition to her.

But her behavior just makes me angry on so many levels. And frankly, she makes me wonder if McCain would not be a better and more honorable president than she would be....That's NOT an endorsement of McCain. But just a reflection of how bad I think she'd be.

I wish I felt otherwise, but when I hear her do things like amplify the idiotic right-wing meme about William Ayers....
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:50 AM
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25. Not the same thing, although that is a definite component of what
is going on.

Armstead is talking about a much more objective matter, outside political campaign rhetoric. Supporters see this as demonization, it is not. It is observation.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:44 AM
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18. Thank you, Armstead. This is exactly why I don't support her. I don't
know where she actually stands on issues and don't trust what she says, because it can change tomorrow. Look at the MoveOn incident. A year ago, when she was looking for their endorsement, she was talking about how wonderful they were. Now, they are just dead to her.

I also have problems with the contradictions of her positions on Colombia and China and Bill's support of both of these countries in direct opposition to her. While she is increasingly slamming everything about China in more and more inflammatory language, she is living off the million dollars Bill has made in speaking fees for Chinese businesses. I don't see how I can trust her rhetoric, knowing that the Chinese have put money into the Clintons' collective back pocket.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:46 AM
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19. She seems to have no moral compass at all. Looking back, that has been
a disturbing theme in many sentinel times in her life. The frequent changing from one persona to another to suit the audience, theme or message is a symptom and indicator of a much larger problem. Lack of core, lack of boundaries, narcissism, manipulation.. the DSM IV has a special section for that. It becomes more apparent the longer we are exposed to her on a daily basis that something is not quite right.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:47 AM
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20. Do you like Obama at all, or do you just really, really, really hate Clinton? n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:49 AM
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24. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:50 AM
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26. Yeah, but all we ever see from this poster is the latter. n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:53 AM
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29. I guess you haven't read all of my posts.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:52 AM
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28. Both
I was originally an Edwards supporter.

When he dropped out, I went to Obama, as the default alternative to Hillary. I was lukewarm.

But since then, she has done so many things that angered and puzzled me. And at the same time, I have become more and more impressed with Obama.

Frankly, although I wish he were more overtly liberal/progressive, I believe Obama "gets it" and he is effectively moving things in the direction I believe we should be going.

Meanwhile, Clinton is doing her best to take us backward into the politics of division, gridlock and defacto conservatism.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:48 AM
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21. Oh she has a core
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 08:50 AM by Jake3463
I believe she has been possessed by Richard Nixon's ghost or demon. They need to get her to a church and perform and exorcism as soon as possible.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:48 AM
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22. take a break
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:56 AM
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30. I did -- for a few weeks I hardly even read or posted here
But over the last two or three weeks, her behavior was so bad it revived my anger and frustration with her.

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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:48 AM
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23. She is horrible
Thank god that I think people are finally seeing that.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:04 AM
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33. Actually, I Think This is What Bothers Me
I've had the attitude since Edwards dropped out that either O or C would be a good candidate, but Clinton just isn't sitting right, and I believe this is the reason. She's too much like Humphrey in 68.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:11 AM
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36. And to think I just posted yesterday that you seemed reasonable
As an uncommitted, I must say that this campaign has actually been relatively clean, or as clean as modern day politics in the time of 24/7 news channels can be when they will manufacture as much outrage as possible in order to boost ratings. Obama and Clinton have both had lapses, and I agree she has been a little snarkier than him. But I still say that they have both stayed on the high(er) road for the most part. After all, neither has run ads of the other morphing into bin Laden, and until that happens I must say this year has nothing on 2004.



Note, I am referring to the candidates and their campaigns themselves, not posters here or on other sites.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:15 AM
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37. I honestly do try to be reasonable, but I don't always succeed.
The news that Clinton was attacking and disparaging the "activist left" and Moveon, and blaming them for dirty tricks set off my latest temper tantrum.

And this after she told Moveon previously that they had improved politics for the better is the latest example of the inconsistency.

She just keeps pushing my hot buttons.

But under normal circumstances, I do try and be reasonable -- or at least reserve my unreasonableness to conservatives and Republicans. :)
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:23 AM
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39. Kerry wasn't too fond of the MoveOn type organizations in 04, either
Most of those liberal wackos supported Kucinich and/or Dean back then, and they were treated with the same disdain by other candidates in 04. Yet there are plenty of Kerry supporters who will be appalled at her comments, just because they now support Obama. I just think too many people have their primary blinders on, and that if they could remove them for even an hour a day, the discussion of real issues might actually improve.



And I can call them liberal wackos because I am one. :)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:27 AM
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40. That was one reason I was lukewarm about Kerry
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:28 AM by Armstead
And I think Kerry is a great guy -- being from Mass. myself, he's my other Senator.

I wish Kerry had voted against the IWR and run as what he really is instead of following the DLC/Clinton playbook in 04. Personally, I think he would've won.

But I agree with you. I can't wait until the primary blinders are removed and we can all focus our unreasonableness where it belongs -- against McCain and the GOP.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:49 AM
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45. I think that vote was what cost him the election in the end
And I think it is what is also costing Clinton the nomination. They each represented liberal states with incredible opposition to the war, and yet they voted for it anyway. It's hard to explain that kind of vote.

I think Obama is the better of the 2 we are left with, so I think it's good that it looks like he will win the nomination. I just don't understand the vitriol directed personally at either him or Clinton, since I think they're both probably pretty good people, even if too conservative for me. A lot like Kerry, in fact.


And thanks for the very reasonable discussion. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:55 AM
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46. Are you kidding when you call MoveOn members liberal wackos?
I was on their board for a long time. They are no more or less liberal than DU is.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:58 AM
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47. I think you might need to read the rest of my post
:)


Actually, they are more conservative than I am. I would even be on the far left in Europe, so that should tell you how out of step I am politically in the US.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:53 AM
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58. Thanks. I should wake up before I try to read DU, lol!
MoveOn is a bit too conservative for me, too, which is why it's so ironic when the corporate media calls them "leftists" and so on.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:15 AM
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38. she's a holograph created by the day's polling numbers
and those polling numbers thanks to flop-sweat-and-jowls Mark Blackwater Penn.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:35 AM
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41. see that's exactly how i feel about obama -- if mccain had pulled mcclurkin
out for his introduction in south carolina -- DU would still be burning him for it.

if mccain had served time in the arizona senate and let people go without heat from one of his contributers -- DU would still be burning him for it.

if mccain had been so cowardly and continually voted present instead of taking a stand -- DU would blaze white hot over it.

instead -- people act as if obamboozle is offering something new -- when in fact he is not.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:43 AM
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43. I agree
I will vote for either in Nov, but I am not in love with either by any stretch of the imagination. It amazes me that we have ended up with these 2 considering the field with which we started.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:57 AM
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59. i couldn't agree more -- i'm not a hillar supporter -- but right now i am
assaulting this -- perception -- of obama because it's not real -- and i find it frightening.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:08 AM
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52. I have no answer about mcclurkin
I frankly did not pay much attention to that because I was supporting Edwards.

I basically figured it was a screwup by Obama, who was trying to put together a complicated coalition.

Personally i believe all the Democratic frontrunners copped out on that issue with their various gyrations about gay marriage. I think they ought to have all just come out for it, get the issue off the table, and throw the hard core bigots under the bus because they're going to vote GOP anyway.


But the major difference I see now is that Hillary is directly using right-wing crap against Obama. She is directly using bigotry against Obama. What do you think "said at a meeting in San Francisco" is a code word for?





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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:48 AM
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57. wait a minute -- two things -- obama never ever apologised for mcclurkin --
secong he EXCUSED mcclurkins point of view -- virtually stood up for the guy.

talk about right wing?

so -- when you think about campaig dollars paying mcclurkin -- never apologising for it -- speeches from the pulpit that talk about loving the sinner and hating the sin -- what right wing are you talking about exactly?

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:42 AM
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64. I think Obama's point is less bigoted than Clinton;s behavior
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 11:45 AM by Armstead
Obama's basic point is that in order to build coalitions, you have to work with people you might not ancessarily agree with on everything.

Clinton, meanwhile, is trying to have it both ways. On one hand, pretend to be Ms. Enlightenment and Tolerance, while at the same time spouting off right-wing bigoted memes.

Again I ask, what do you think she is trying to do by claiming Obama is a condescending elitist who hangs out with the San Francisco crowd?

It is GOP code language for "Obama is a queer-luving liberal, so all you bigots should vote for me."

Of course she wouldn't put it that crudely. And perhaps she does not think that way herself. But if she isn't conveying that deliberatly, she is simply too ill-informed about recent political history and strategy to be an effective advocate for anything.

But in my view, that is exactly the kind of politics she is engaging in, while Obama is trying to reconcile people.



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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:38 PM
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87. obama used a man who is threatening to the gay community --
one of the gospel groups compares gay folk to murderers.

if you had seen the horrific displays from both black and white preachers screaming at people getting married in san francisco -- you might have an inkling of what i'm talking about.

this is far, far worse pandering than anything clinton has done.

and if mccain had done it -- DU would still be burning him for it.

i find a bone deep hypocrisy to all of this -- and i am disturbed by the seeming irrationality to obama's popularity.

but there will be no changing minds on this -- i'm afraid -- and the breaking for me has nothing to do with hillary.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:08 PM
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74. I don't like the way you frame the issue of voting present = coward. Nuff said
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:39 AM
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42. She's a weathervane, a chameleon. She morphs into whatever she thinks
her audience du jour is looking for. She has tried to be all things to all people, which has left her standing for nothing. Trying to follow the logic of her campaign has left me dizzy. The latest examples came from Bill and Howie. Hearing Bill accuse Obama of whining about the media when his wife whined to the point of getting a reporter suspended, and Howie saying that he hopes Obama won't be afraid of future debates when it was Hill who refused to initially commit to the NC debate had me :crazy: till I :puke:.

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:48 AM
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44. Will pander for beer (or votes)
“In 2000 we ended up with a president who people said they wanted to have a beer with…. And you know, I think there are the majority of Americans who think that was not the right choice.”
(Hillary Clinton, January 2008)




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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:30 AM
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63. Oh, oops. n/t
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:59 AM
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49. Good one.. This is just so true!! K&R
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CK dexter Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:02 AM
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50. This weird beast is what is usually known as a "politician"
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 10:03 AM by CK dexter
She is like a weird science fiction beast that is constantly morphing and taking on different qualities


This creature is actually quite common on planet earth, which is why Obama strikes such fear into the heart of the MSM: they're not used to human beings running for office, only strange science fiction beasts.

It's a perfect description of her: politician as usual.

Vote human in 2008!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:09 AM
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53. The Invasion of the Politicians
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:37 AM
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54. On big issues, she's consistent.
On economics, societal issues, on international relations - even Iraq (where her vote was probably tactical), I have a fine sense of where she stands. Moderate Democrat, with a bit more liberal in some areas and a bit more conservative in others.

But then she uses extreme language on some issues during the campaign, and on other more minor symbolic issues she non-committally tacks left or right tactically - that's not a big deal to me. I think it won't have any impact on what she would do as president (i.e., be a moderate Democrat)

She has changed her image / style / position with respect to the gender issue in the campaign, and her general campaign tactics quite a lot. It would be fair to criticize and cast it as a weakness. But I think that public servant Clinton has solid core beliefs, while candidate Clinton - especially when she feels it is a fight for her survival - does not express those core beliefs consistently and does not have core beliefs about what constitutes the right way to campaign (rather than the right way to govern).

Don't think it helps to ascribe to her something horrendous that she hasn't displayed.



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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:26 AM
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62. I differ because I believe politics represents committment to issues
Part of my background opposition to Clinton is the fact that she is a leader in the DLC, which is a brand of politics that i believe has run both the Democratic Party and the US into the ditch. Rather than being moderate Democrats, I believe they are merely the other hand of the Elite Oligarchy.

On a more personal level, I believe the type of politics she reprsents is an outgrowth of what has made the population cynical and apathetic -- and which has averted people's attention while the corporate oligarchy has stolen our country.

Her lack of a core is one reason the Clintons botched healthcare reform in the 1990's. They were inconsistent and sent out mixed messager and were unable to rally the nation around an issue that most people agreed with in principle.

her lack of a core of belief is her own business. But it becomes inmportant when she wants to govern and lead.





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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:40 AM
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55. MInd reading, straw man argument, false dichotomy
Damn, the OP is a poster child for faulty logic.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:42 AM
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56. .....
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 10:53 AM by shadowknows69
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
-Yeats
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:19 AM
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61. what rough science fiction beast
:scared:

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:45 AM
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66. "Slouches toward Washington to be born"
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:45 AM
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65. She wakes up every morning and is told who she needs to be for the day
It'll make you a little crazy.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:48 AM
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68. I think it's more on an hourly basis
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:01 PM
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71. True, it's very situational...Bill is much the same way
he just used to have a lot more subtlety to his act than Hillary. He'd give discoursive answers to questions so you could see how he thought (and demonstrate his intellect at the same time). He'd also pull the sax out every now and then or go to a college football or basketball game and talk sports trivia to let us know he had cultivated a life for himself outside of the political game. Even if he is just as driven and Machiavellian as she is, he presented a multi-dimensional persona and gave us more to hang onto than she ever did.

America's a weird place; we want killers in positions of power, but it's unattractive to want the job too much. It's definitely harder for women to pull this balancing act off than it is for men, but that doesn't forgive her for being unprincipled in the extreme.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:07 PM
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73. It's weird because everytime Hillary starts to seem tolerable, she shifts again
I hear some of her speeches, or when the "personable Hillary" is on display, I think. Okay, I can live with that.

But then shortly thereafter Kabloom -- she shifts again and wipes out the positive impression.

Her "I'm Honored to be on the stage with Barak Obama.....Shame On You Barak Obama" behavior after the previous debate really made this hit home.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:14 PM
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75. That was jarring...and such examples may also help explain those low trustworthy numbers
Maybe it's not that she lies exponentially more than the typical politician, the bigger problem is you never know which Hillary is going to show up. That very attribute has led me to discount much of what she says.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:25 PM
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79. Pretty creepy.
Personality disorder, bipolar, psychosis. Call it what you will, she seems to be afflicted with a classic case of it. One minute crying in front of the camera, the next foaming at the mouth like a rabid animal. That speech she gave on MLK holiday was the oddest one yet.




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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:56 AM
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69. Hillary (year ago): MoveOn is great!
(Now): MoveOn is a terrorist organization.
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:23 PM
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77. Blubbering and crying about....
the poor children. One way to keep a child from living in poverty is not sending his/her parent's job overseas to exploit children into slave labor workshops abroad in a pay back to the corporate interests one is beholding to. Once again, who spearheaded NAFTA?

Another way that might make it easier on the children is to not give a pathological liar a blank check to go to war, knowing he is itching, and using that $10 billion a week to improve education, and healthcare for the 49 million, mostly children in this country.

While she blubbers for votes, kids are blubbering for help.

The Clinton's are as phoney as the day is long. Thats obvious.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:27 PM
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78. No, no....It's All About The Children.......Screw their parents.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:27 PM
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80. she has a core, and it's rotten
I seriously never knew how sorry a person she was until this year's campaign began in earnest. She's hideous. Anathema to Democratic ideals.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:39 PM
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81. She's an enneagram type 9.
For those interested: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com

She simply absorbs the personality (and beliefs) of those around her.

She was reared by Republicans. She was a Republican. She married a Democrat. Now she's a Democrat. She hangs around with a religious group called the fellowship. Now she has been empowered by God to do his will on Earth.

This is rather typical behavior of an enneagram type 9 person. They become whatever they are around.

Also for those who are interested, I believe Barack Obama is an enneagram type 1.

-Laelth
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:11 PM
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82. Normal readers should note that Clintophobes honest-to-God think they can read the Clintons' minds.
Here's her record, showing a reasonable core:

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:53 PM
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85. Then why is she attacking her own party's "liberal elitism"?
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:16 PM
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84. Things kinda slow
on the Obama front, huh?

Now we are reduced to calling HRC some kind of demon space speed, the creation of some mad witch doctor, an amalgam of parts like "Weird Science".

Yeah, you Obamites are rational.........
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:54 PM
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86. My hyperbolie aside---- She is a shape shifter
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:55 PM by Armstead
Otherwise, why does she whine about the media for over a year, and then complain that Obama is whining about the media?

If she had a core of consistency, she'd either shut up or even defend Obama's pique at the stupid questions in the debate.

Instead she states something that is patently obvious and evident in her own behavior.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:39 AM
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88. K & R
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:44 AM
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89. Iraq War Vote
Anyone who voted yes has no core. Period.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:06 AM
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91. Ya mean like Egle the Queen of Serpents? n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 08:06 AM by zulchzulu
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:38 AM
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92. Her campaign gives me grave doubts about how she would run the country
Many of her strong points during this campaign won't be of any use when she faces challenges like rebuilding the economy or handling an international crisis. The inconsistent, multiple personalities and tactical misjudgment she has shown during this race could prove a disaster for the country.
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